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The alternative explanation to the government reports on 9/11

Sure it does Mike. Sure the OCT stands on its own. That's why there are so many groups "for 911 truth" in their title. Pilots, Architects & Engineers, Lawyers, Nurses, Firemen. Cripes, just about every group but milkmen have some group recognizing the many failures of the OCT.

You still won't address your mini neutron bomb explanation even though groups like AE911T (Gage, Jones, Tony Sz) all reject it with sound science.
As far as groups with "911 truth" , if that makes them creditable to you , you are entitled to your opinion. Guess then you must accept all the paranormal, bigfoot, ufo sites as the "truth" also.

Why else would there be so many 911 truth sites. PT Barnum summed it up well, "There's a sucker born every minute.": peace

So you don't want to discuss where AE911T shows the errors of the nuke explanation. I can understand why.
 
As though the OCT stands on its own merits......:doh

Yeah Sorry HD 4 planes hijacked on crashed on 911 not only stands on its own merits it fits the evidecne.
Wheras your fantasy is so full of logical impossiblities it takes some massive cognitive dissonance to even begin to accept it.
 
Sure it does Mike. Sure the OCT stands on its own. That's why there are so many groups "for 911 truth" in their title. Pilots, Architects & Engineers, Lawyers, Nurses, Firemen. Cripes, just about every group but milkmen have some group recognizing the many failures of the OCT.

People will try and make a buck any way they can. Some of them, like the groups you cited in some pretty despicable ways
 
You still won't address your mini neutron bomb explanation even though groups like AE911T (Gage, Jones, Tony Sz) all reject it with sound science.
As far as groups with "911 truth" , if that makes them creditable to you , you are entitled to your opinion. Guess then you must accept all the paranormal, bigfoot, ufo sites as the "truth" also.

Why else would there be so many 911 truth sites. PT Barnum summed it up well, "There's a sucker born every minute.": peace

So you don't want to discuss where AE911T shows the errors of the nuke explanation. I can understand why.

Yes, there is a sucker born every minute, and some of those suckers require more than 16 years to discover they've been deceived.

I'll call your bluff here Mike---please show me where AE911Truth rejects the nuclear theory with sound silence. Back up your claim where Gage or anybody else with the organization 'rejects it with sound science'.

With your fascination and 16 year defense of the official story, you wouldn't know sound science if it sat down next to you with a name tag on. You're bluffing Mike, not for the first time. Show me where Gage has rejected the nuclear theory.
 
Yes, there is a sucker born every minute, and some of those suckers require more than 16 years to discover they've been deceived.
Apparently so as you still havent figured it out

I'll call your bluff here Mike---please show me where AE911Truth rejects the nuclear theory with sound silence. Back up your claim where Gage or anybody else with the organization 'rejects it with sound science'.
Well AE911Truth doesn't talk about the nuke theory AFIK so I guess that is sound silence, as for the rest simple basic common sense is enough to dismiss stupid ideas like nukes or little green men from Mars being responsible but for others suffering from cognitive dissonance.......

With your fascination and 16 year defense of the official story, you wouldn't know sound science if it sat down next to you with a name tag on. You're bluffing Mike, not for the first time. Show me where Gage has rejected the nuclear theory.

No HD you are falling hook line and sinker for charlatan nonsense because it fits your world view.
 
People will try and make a buck any way they can....

Absolutely, which is why Donald Rumsfeld is on record trying to dissuade Bush from targeting Al Qaeda, and instead pursuing Saddam Hussein through invading Iraq.

On 9/11/2001, when the CIA was compiling information on Al Qaeda's involvement in the attacks, Rumsfeld's notes show that he was trying to find a way to pin the attacks on Saddam Hussein. If you want discuss real greed, start with Rumsfeld and Cheney, who were more than likely co-conspirators in the attacks.
 
Absolutely, which is why Donald Rumsfeld is on record trying to dissuade Bush from targeting Al Qaeda, and instead pursuing Saddam Hussein through invading Iraq.

On 9/11/2001, when the CIA was compiling information on Al Qaeda's involvement in the attacks, Rumsfeld's notes show that he was trying to find a way to pin the attacks on Saddam Hussein. If you want discuss real greed, start with Rumsfeld and Cheney, who were more than likely co-conspirators in the attacks.

No citation or explanation of how Rumsfeld would make money as usual
Sorry but if you are gonna post unsupported BS then I will ignore said BS
Such as your false claims (out right lies if you will) that if the towers didn't collapse that only 300 people would have died
Or that dropping WTC7 was necessary to cause more deaths even though no one was in the building

You see your problem (applies to all truthers) is that you start with the conclusion then try to distort the facts to fit your false narrative, ignoring facts, logic, evidence and reason to try and make it fit.
 
Yes, there is a sucker born every minute, and some of those suckers require more than 16 years to discover they've been deceived.

I'll call your bluff here Mike---please show me where AE911Truth rejects the nuclear theory with sound silence. Back up your claim where Gage or anybody else with the organization 'rejects it with sound science'.

With your fascination and 16 year defense of the official story, you wouldn't know sound science if it sat down next to you with a name tag on. You're bluffing Mike, not for the first time. Show me where Gage has rejected the nuclear theory.

Oh T, I feel sorry for you.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/cons...ernment-reports-9-11-a-19.html#post1067402434
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Can you sense the evidence here T72, or are you saying AE911T are not telling the truth?


"In Sections I and II of this FAQ, we discuss two independent reasons why we regard the probability that any nuclear blasts occurred at the WTC as close to zero. We also address arguments that have been brought forward with respect to these two reasons."
AE911Truth ? Architects & Engineers Investigating the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11 - AE911Truth answers claims that nuclear blasts occurred at the World Trade Center

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/articles/2015/Aug_2015/FAQ-15b.pdf

"No evidence exists that the WTC destruction and its aftermath resulted in elevated radiation levels consistent with nuclear blasts"
"The claim that the concentrations of uranium, thorium, and lithium in the USGS WTC dust samples show “correlations which are the signature of a nuclear explosion”44 is based on the assertion that thorium-232 is produced in nuclear blasts by neutroninduced alpha decay of uranium-235, and that lithium is produced by beta decay of the alpha particles generated in the first reaction.45 Neutron-induced binary fission as it occurs in nuclear blasts, however, splits the parent nucleus into nuclei that have a mass ratio of roughly 2:3 — but certainly not a mass ratio of 1:58. Tahil even uses a diagram in Ground Zero: The Nuclear Demolition of The World Trade Centre . . . that contradicts the alleged existence of a “favoured fission pathway” from uranium235 to thorium-232,46 but he makes the incorrect claim nevertheless. Tahil ignores in his equation “EQ 10” (see footnote 45) the fact that uranium-236 has to be generated before alpha decay of uranium to thorium-232 can occur. Alpha decay of uranium to thorium cannot be indicative of nuclear blasts; alpha decay is a natural process that releases energy only at a low rate (uranium-236 and uranium-235 have half-lives of more than 23 million years and more than 700 million years, respectively). The suggested beta decay of an alpha particle into lithium is simply impossible: Alpha particles are helium-4 nuclei. Helium-4 is stable and cannot decay.47
In addition, it is not reasonable to expect that any general mass correlation constituting the “signature of a nuclear explosion” can exist between the unreacted potential fuel (such as uranium-235) and the fission products.48 The “elevated” levels of many trace elements in the WTC dust samples (like those of thorium and uranium) simply mirror the fact that building materials like concrete or mineral wool are made from mineral-rich phases that contain such “elevated” levels of trace elements naturally.49 "
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● Internal contradictions in the arguments
Some authors (including Prager, Ed Ward, and Donald Fox) combine the claim that the USGS data prove fission products in the WTC dust with the assertion that the WTC towers were destroyed by “mini- or micro-nukes.”63 They ignore the fact that fission does not create mass. On the contrary, its energy release entails a small “mass defect.” Thus, several small-sized and/or lowyielding “mini-/micro-nukes” cannot account for tons, and especially hundreds of tons, of fission products.
An internal contradiction also arises when authors claim on the one hand that the USGS data prove that tons of fission products were in the WTC dust (including strontium-90, half-life 28.79 years) but assert on the other hand that special nuclear weapons were deployed at the WTC that left no long-lasting and/or easy-to-detect radioactivity. "

and the points go on. You assign no meaning whatsoever to the information from AE911T when it does not fit your view. One should use caution when stating someone has a "cognitive dissonance " issue. Especially when ones posts demonstrates cognitive dissonance symptoms you are attaching to others.

So are you now challenging that AE911T does not use sound science in the statements they issue.

NOW T, SHOW US THE SOUND SCIENCE BEHIND PRAGERS MINI NEUTRON BOMB EXPLANATION. I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF.

The fixation is on your part. You believe in a CD caused by nukes which did not happen.
 
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Oh T, I feel sorry for you.

You believe in a CD caused by nukes which did not happen.

Not just regular nukes but magic mini-nukes that explode and emit no radiation while not exploding and emitting no radiation all at the same tyime
 
Good show Mike, I stand corrected. Not exactly scientific proof as you claimed, but a statement that they reject the nuclear theory. That's OK by me, I will still send the periodic contribution to them because they seek the truth.

Like most, they are unable to swallow the bitter pill of the nuclear theory, but they are merely human. They are brave enough to note the Emperor is naked, but not quite able to see the big picture. I do not hold it against them, and I do not hold it against you. Having been there myself, I do appreciate all the aspects, the many variations, of Cognitive Dissonance.
 
Good show Mike, I stand corrected. Not exactly scientific proof as you claimed, but a statement that they reject the nuclear theory. That's OK by me, I will still send the periodic contribution to them because they seek the truth.
Like you said theres one born every minute!
Like most, they are unable to swallow the bitter pill of the nuclear theory, but they are merely human. They are brave enough to note the Emperor is naked, but not quite able to see the big picture. I do not hold it against them, and I do not hold it against you. Having been there myself, I do appreciate all the aspects, the many variations, of Cognitive Dissonance.
Bolded is obviously true as you display it all the time
 
Good show Mike, I stand corrected. Not exactly scientific proof as you claimed, but a statement that they reject the nuclear theory. That's OK by me, I will still send the periodic contribution to them because they seek the truth.

Like most, they are unable to swallow the bitter pill of the nuclear theory, but they are merely human. They are brave enough to note the Emperor is naked, but not quite able to see the big picture. I do not hold it against them, and I do not hold it against you. Having been there myself, I do appreciate all the aspects, the many variations, of Cognitive Dissonance.

I don't hold your misguided belief either.

What I do dislike about your responses is your vailed insults. So in the future if you cannot post without throwing insults regarding what you believe about a persons mental health , don't post.

Noted: You failed to show anything regarding the mini neutron bombs. Claiming you have in the past does not cut it. I answered your bluff call. You failed to answer mine.
We all know why.
 
Veiled insults Mike, not vailed insults.

It is no insult to speak of cognitive dissonance, just as it is no insult to speak of color blindness or tone deafness or fantastic genius as displayed by Einstein. Of all human qualities, some have them, some don't.

As your post and Richard Gage's statements demonstrate, the nuclear theory is simply one bridge too far for some to go. I'm not offended and I hope you will reconsider being 'insulted'. No insult intended to you or Gage. I still support his organization and his efforts to find the truth. :peace
 
Veiled insults Mike, not vailed insults.

It is no insult to speak of cognitive dissonance, just as it is no insult to speak of color blindness or tone deafness or fantastic genius as displayed by Einstein. Of all human qualities, some have them, some don't.

As your post and Richard Gage's statements demonstrate, the nuclear theory is simply one bridge too far for some to go. I'm not offended and I hope you will reconsider being 'insulted'. No insult intended to you or Gage. I still support his organization and his efforts to find the truth. :peace


So your not going to answer the challenge regarding your nuke explanation. Got it.:mrgreen:

Hint: you posting something does not make it true. Especially when you fail to provide links to supporting documents.
One could say it is you who cannot see the "truth" because of your inherent distrust of the govt. Not sure happened to you during your military service to make you so bitter. So this is not insult to say you really should take a look at your believe regarding 9/11 and the sources you used to come to the conclusion you have reached.:peace
 
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No citation or explanation of how Rumsfeld would make money as usual
Sorry but if you are gonna post unsupported BS then I will ignore said BS
Such as your false claims (out right lies if you will) that if the towers didn't collapse that only 300 people would have died
Or that dropping WTC7 was necessary to cause more deaths even though no one was in the building

You see your problem (applies to all truthers) is that you start with the conclusion then try to distort the facts to fit your false narrative, ignoring facts, logic, evidence and reason to try and make it fit.

Rumsfeld was pushing war in Iraq before Bush was even elected. How was this unpopular idea of war to materialize though? Well, let's look back at what Project for a New American Century proposed, exactly 1 year prior to 9/11:

They formed the PNAC in 1997 And published "RAD" in September 2000. Determined to have their world empire, they offered an eerie prophecy on page 52 of that document about how it might be accomplished, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." Their dream of a catalyzing event could not have been better actualized than in the events of 9/11.

What event could possibly qualify as being "a new Pearl Harbor"? Oh yeah, 3 skyscrapers falling down in Manhattan's Financial District due to a terrorist attack that would later be erroneously attributed to Saddam Hussein by Donald Rumsfeld.

Here is a list of PNAC supporters who signed the 'New Pearl Harbor' proposal, with members of the future Bush administration bolded:


◾Elliott Abrams
◾Gary Bauer
◾William J. Bennett
◾John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (Bush's brother)
◾Dick Cheney
◾Eliot A. Cohen
◾Midge Decter
◾Paula Dobriansky
◾Steve Forbes
◾Aaron Friedberg
◾Francis Fukuyama
◾Frank Gaffney
◾Fred C. Ikle
◾Donald Kagan
◾Zalmay Khalilzad
◾I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
◾Norman Podhoretz
◾J. Danforth Quayle
◾Peter W. Rodman
◾Stephen P. Rosen
◾Henry S. Rowen
◾Donald Rumsfeld
◾Vin Weber
◾George Weigel
◾Paul Wolfowitz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century, by Bette Stockbauer

As far as Rumsfeld cash payout, they were ALL richly paid for their roles in starting the war. To assume otherwise is to ignore how things work.

Rumsfeld is now “working on setting up a new foundation…to promote continued U.S. engagement in world affairs in furtherance of U.S. security interests” so that he can “remain engaged in public policy issues.” He is also shopping a memoir, in the hopes of receiving “a large cash advance.”

https://thinkprogress.org/the-architects-of-war-where-are-they-now-52ff022f9bfe
 
Rumsfeld was pushing war in Iraq before Bush was even elected. How was this unpopular idea of war to materialize though? Well, let's look back at what Project for a New American Century proposed, exactly 1 year prior to 9/11:

They formed the PNAC in 1997 And published "RAD" in September 2000. Determined to have their world empire, they offered an eerie prophecy on page 52 of that document about how it might be accomplished, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." Their dream of a catalyzing event could not have been better actualized than in the events of 9/11.

What event could possibly qualify as being "a new Pearl Harbor"? Oh yeah, 3 skyscrapers falling down in Manhattan's Financial District due to a terrorist attack that would later be erroneously attributed to Saddam Hussein by Donald Rumsfeld.

Here is a list of PNAC supporters who signed the 'New Pearl Harbor' proposal, with members of the future Bush administration bolded:


◾Elliott Abrams
◾Gary Bauer
◾William J. Bennett
◾John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (Bush's brother)
◾Dick Cheney
◾Eliot A. Cohen
◾Midge Decter
◾Paula Dobriansky
◾Steve Forbes
◾Aaron Friedberg
◾Francis Fukuyama
◾Frank Gaffney
◾Fred C. Ikle
◾Donald Kagan
◾Zalmay Khalilzad
◾I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
◾Norman Podhoretz
◾J. Danforth Quayle
◾Peter W. Rodman
◾Stephen P. Rosen
◾Henry S. Rowen
◾Donald Rumsfeld
◾Vin Weber
◾George Weigel
◾Paul Wolfowitz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century, by Bette Stockbauer

As far as Rumsfeld cash payout, they were ALL richly paid for their roles in starting the war. To assume otherwise is to ignore how things work.

Rumsfeld is now “working on setting up a new foundation…to promote continued U.S. engagement in world affairs in furtherance of U.S. security interests” so that he can “remain engaged in public policy issues.” He is also shopping a memoir, in the hopes of receiving “a large cash advance.”

https://thinkprogress.org/the-architects-of-war-where-are-they-now-52ff022f9bfe

None of that has anything to do with 911
Sorry irrelevant BS is irrelevant BS
now will you deal with your false claims that only 300 people would have died if the towers didn't collapse?
 
None of that has anything to do with 911
Sorry irrelevant BS is irrelevant BS
now will you deal with your false claims that only 300 people would have died if the towers didn't collapse?

Add up the the totals from the 4 planes that crashed, and the number of fatalities in the towers and pentagon prior to the collapse of WTC 1&2. You'll end up with about 300 people.

Not exactly the 'New Pearl Harbor' that Rumsfeld, Cheney and Co. were looking for, is it?
 
Add up the the totals from the 4 planes that crashed, and the number of fatalities in the towers and pentagon prior to the collapse of WTC 1&2. You'll end up with about 300 people.

Not exactly the 'New Pearl Harbor' that Rumsfeld, Cheney and Co. were looking for, is it?
Is this what you do here truthatallcost? Post unsupported claims and assumptions and when challenged with facts and questions, you drop those subjects like hot potatoes? I asked you to discuss Harrit's paper and you balked at that. Your understanding of the layout of the stairwells in the towers and Orio's locations during the fire fighting effort were wrong as shown and you ignored that. What gives?
 
Add up the the totals from the 4 planes that crashed, and the number of fatalities in the towers and pentagon prior to the collapse of WTC 1&2. You'll end up with about 300 people.

Not exactly the 'New Pearl Harbor' that Rumsfeld, Cheney and Co. were looking for, is it?

Please provide evidence that they were looking for it.
 
Add up the the totals from the 4 planes that crashed, and the number of fatalities in the towers and pentagon prior to the collapse of WTC 1&2. You'll end up with about 300 people.

Not exactly the 'New Pearl Harbor' that Rumsfeld, Cheney and Co. were looking for, is it?

Failure to post the truth is a sure sign someone is a truther
During the September 11 attacks in 2001, 2,996 people were killed and more than 6,000 others wounded.[1][2] These immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the 19 terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.[3][4] The attacks of September 11, 2001, were the deadliest terrorist act in world history and the most devastating foreign attack on American soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks
You are basing your bogus number on the number of people who died in the planes alone. With the Pentagon (that didn't collapse) you have 390.
Now lets look at the WTC according to your false claim (remember almost 400 not 300) EVERYONE at the WTC would have have lived if the towers didn't collapse (remember still WTC7 had no one in it so extra moronic explanation for using CD on it)

1,402 people died at or above the floors of impact in the North Tower. According to the Commission Report, hundreds were killed instantly by the impact while the remainder of the fatalities were trapped above the impact zone and died after the tower collapsed. Although a few people would subsequently be found alive in the rubble following the collapse of the towers, none of these individuals were from above the impact zone.[

So now the near 400 is at minimum in the order of 600 instantly! Already at double your false claim and we havent even come close to finishing yet.
Now the rest of the 1402 were trapped above the impacts for almost 2 hours. None escaped. Obviously there was no way to get down from above the impact zones do to the damage/fires. In fact there are videos of people leaping to their deaths to avoid the flames. There is no logical reason to believe that those people would have survived if the towers hadn't collapsed. The fires/smoke would have killed them regardless.
So your 300 is now at 1792

614 people were killed at or above the floors of impact in the South Tower. Only 18 people are known to have managed to escape using staircase A before the South Tower collapsed; a further 110 people killed in the attacks are known to have been below the impact zone when United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower. The 9/11 Commission notes that this fact strongly indicates that evacuation below the impact zones was a success, allowing most to safely evacuate before the collapse of the World Trade Center.[38]
18 people managed to get down so it seems there was a passable escape route at least for a while as the tower fell roughly an hour after impact it is doubt full many more would have found their way down but you can be certain that a lot would have died in the impacts so even if all those who had survived managed to make their way down we are still adding to the total and there is little to no reason to think that they would have.
So your 300 is now probably between 2000 and 2200.
Seems you need to stop spewing nonsense and start to admit your casus belli is really just BS

As to Rumsfeld 911 resulted in Afghanistan being attacked not Iraq. I know truthers have a problem with reality but this is getting ridiculous. Seriously you all claim that it was a gang of evil supergeniuses that organized everything then claim they were morons because they got so much easy stuff wrong such framing/inavading the wrong country!!!
 
truthatallcost:

Please out in detail your thermite explanation you believe. Provide links to the sources you used to reach your conclusion. I have found no concise CD explanation for WTC1,2,7.

Last, please start addressing questions asked of you. For example post 222 responded to one of your posts. You failed to address the questions.
 
So your not going to answer the challenge regarding your nuke explanation. Got it.:mrgreen:

Hint: you posting something does not make it true. Especially when you fail to provide links to supporting documents.
One could say it is you who cannot see the "truth" because of your inherent distrust of the govt. Not sure happened to you during your military service to make you so bitter. So this is not insult to say you really should take a look at your believe regarding 9/11 and the sources you used to come to the conclusion you have reached.:peace

I'm not bitter Mike, I just call them as I see them. The official story is false, plain and simple and in so many ways, so why should I pretend otherwise?

My military service did not make me bitter, but it sure as hell opened my eyes, just as it does to all young men. It was there this young man discovered that the CIA was in the drug business. Did that make me bitter? No, but it did make me informed in a way I had never been before. The Pentagon Papers did not make me bitter, it just confirmed opinions and conclusions made on my own several years earlier.

As I've explained to you many times Mike, though it rolls off your awareness organ like water off a duck's back, I did believe the official story for a number of years. I have walked a mile in your shoes Mike, but calling them like I see them, I must sooner or later admit my errors and confront them. When I bought into the official story I was wrong. I can say it, you cannot.

On topic, regarding alternative explanations, perhaps you can explain what part of the official story you find most compelling, and as long as I'm wishing, why you find it compelling.
 
Rumsfeld was pushing war in Iraq before Bush was even elected. How was this unpopular idea of war to materialize though? Well, let's look back at what Project for a New American Century proposed, exactly 1 year prior to 9/11:

They formed the PNAC in 1997 And published "RAD" in September 2000. Determined to have their world empire, they offered an eerie prophecy on page 52 of that document about how it might be accomplished, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." Their dream of a catalyzing event could not have been better actualized than in the events of 9/11.

What event could possibly qualify as being "a new Pearl Harbor"? Oh yeah, 3 skyscrapers falling down in Manhattan's Financial District due to a terrorist attack that would later be erroneously attributed to Saddam Hussein by Donald Rumsfeld.
So as of today, The United States has, in your opinion, accomplished their "world empire"? The United States dominates everyone and everything at this this point right? All because of the "New Pearl Harbor" event AKA 9/11?

Please tell us O-Wise-One how you think the US has created their coveted "world empire"? What facts can you present that will show us that US now dominates the world.

I suggest you take a look at China and see where they're at with their military and technology. What about Russia and Germany. Yeah, we're just dominating everyone.

:roll:
 
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I'm not bitter Mike, I just call them as I see them. The official story is false, plain and simple and in so many ways, so why should I pretend otherwise?

My military service did not make me bitter, but it sure as hell opened my eyes, just as it does to all young men. It was there this young man discovered that the CIA was in the drug business. Did that make me bitter? No, but it did make me informed in a way I had never been before. The Pentagon Papers did not make me bitter, it just confirmed opinions and conclusions made on my own several years earlier.

As I've explained to you many times Mike, though it rolls off your awareness organ like water off a duck's back, I did believe the official story for a number of years. I have walked a mile in your shoes Mike, but calling them like I see them, I must sooner or later admit my errors and confront them. When I bought into the official story I was wrong. I can say it, you cannot.

On topic, regarding alternative explanations, perhaps you can explain what part of the official story you find most compelling, and as long as I'm wishing, why you find it compelling.

Yes. You have posted the same things for years. Yet you have yet to post a concise explanation. We can now conclude according to you that many of the members of AE911T suffer from some mental disorder because they do not accept the information you have.

The Prager nuclear story is false.
Judy Wood energy beam weapon is false.
The nanothermite explanation is false.
The CD explanation is not proven.

I realize you cannot discuss 9/11 without bringing up the govt reports. It seems the concept of each alternative should stand on its own merits is beyond your comprehension or understanding.

Look at the OP (post 1). This thread is not about the fire induced collapse. Nice try to misdirect.

So are you going to give us your sources and post your detailed mini neutron bomb CD explanation or not? Humor us and either post the thread/post number where you explained in detail with sources the mini neutron bomb explanation or repost it here on this thread. Failure to do so, means it didn't happen. :peace
 
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