Substantiating the US Government Official Conspiracy Theory

mike2810 said:

There is so much wrong with his photo interp.

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camlok said:

Why is this 35 foot long "nose cone" so smooth and undamaged?

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camlok said:

But as is always the case, you anti-truthers don't want to discuss the central issue.

What did you see?

"I can explain it to you ... , ... ."

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mike2810 said:

How did you establish your scale for the measurement?

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camlok said:

So all you US government conspiracy theory anti-truthers can't provide anything. Odd.



I just asked you about that in POST#148 at,

https://www.debatepolitics.com/cons...racy-theory-usg9-11oct-15.html#post1067203804

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Thoreau72 said:

It's not odd at all. It is perfectly predictable, and well documented. The OCT cannot be proved. After reading the 911 Commission report, then Senator Mark Dayton stated that NORAD lied to the Commission because none of its time lines made any sense.

AE911 Truth, and Common Sense, make it clear NIST offered and invalid and unprovable theory that could not be duplicated. The CIA was so worried about public reaction and skepticism to the Warren Report that it introduced the term "conspiracy theory" into the public jargon to marginalize those who expressed skepticism. It's how the government works when people doubt it.

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Quag said:

Claiming the Govt did it without any evidence is how Cters work

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camlok said:

You aren't providing any evidence to support the USGOCT. That's because you know there isn't any.

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Quag said:

True there is no US govt conspiracy theory.

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camlok said:

You aren't providing any evidence to support the USGOCT. That's because you know there isn't any.

You illustrate that you are just simply a man of memes, silly ones that you have memorized in mind stultifying lessons.

Of course the US government theory describes a conspiracy. It is the essence of a conspiracy. Do I have to retrieve a dictionary definition for you?

And again, you aren't providing any evidence to support the USGOCT. That's because you know there isn't any.

You pretend it is rock solid when you know it is flimsy as your worn out knickers.

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Quag said:

RADAR, DNA, ATC tapes, Military tapes, Video etc etc.

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camlok said:

I see that you still have nothing to defend the USGOCT.

That must have been a particularly exhausting bit of research for you.

You aren't providing any evidence to support the USGOCT. That's because you know there isn't any.

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Quag said:

while ignoring the fact that our has been proven to be lies.

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Quag said:

I see you are still handwaving away actual evidence while ignoring the fact that our has been proven to be lies.

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camlok said:

Thank you for that frank admission, Quag. What has caused this outburst of honesty?

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camlok said:

For posterity.

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camlok said:

This thread is,

Substantiating the US Government Official Conspiracy Theory

Have at 'er.

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camlok said:

This is a thread for all those who believe that the US Government Official Conspiracy Theory is an accurate representation of what happened on September 11, 2001, in New York City, to provide evidence and argument supporting it.

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Passengers and crew aboard the flights provided information about the hijackers while the hijacking was in progress. Two flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11, Betty Ong and Madeline Amy Sweeney, contacted airline personnel on the ground. Sweeney provided the seat numbers of the hijackers, and descriptions of the men, identifying Mohamed Atta as one of the hijackers.[7][8][9] A flight attendant on United Airlines Flight 175 called a United Airlines mechanic and reported that hijackers had killed the crew.[9] While the hijacking was in progress on American Airlines Flight 77, several passengers, including a flight attendant, Renee May, contacted and reported details of the hijacking to persons on the ground.[10] Sales clerks identified two individuals to whom they sold tickets on Flight 77 as the hijackers Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed.[9] During the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93, Jeremy Glick identified the hijackers as Arabic-looking and carrying box-cutters.[11]

Mohamed Atta's luggage did not make the connection from his Portland flight to American Airlines Flight 11. In his suitcase, authorities found a handwritten letter in Arabic. As well, a handwritten letter was found at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and another in Hazmi's vehicle.[12] When examining Mohamed Atta's left-behind luggage, the FBI found important clues about the hijackers and their plans. Atta's luggage contained instructional videotapes for flying large aircraft, a fuel consumption calculator, and a flight plan, along with a copy of the Quran.[13] His luggage also contained papers that revealed the identity of all 19 hijackers, along with a copy of Atta's last will and testament.[14] The passport of hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari was also found in Mohamed Atta’s left-behind luggage.

Various items of evidence were found in vehicles left behind at the airports, in luggage that did not make it onto the flights, and at the crash scenes. A rental car belonging to the hijackers was found at Boston's Logan International Airport, which contained an Arabic language flight manual and documents from Huffman Aviation in Florida. There, investigators were able to find Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi's previous address in Hamburg, Germany.[15] Nawaf al-Hazmi's 1988 blue Toyota Corolla was found on September 12 in Dulles International Airport's hourly parking lot. Inside the vehicle, authorities found a letter written by Mohamed Atta, maps of Washington, D.C., and New York City, a cashier's check made out to a Phoenix flight school, four drawings of a Boeing 757 cockpit, a box cutter-type knife, and a page with notes and phone numbers.[16]

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I_Gaze_At_The_Blue said:

9/11 Commission Report.

ALL the NIST reports.

Read them and become informed instead of just being a truther PARROT and APOLOGIST for terrorism !!!

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The hijackers of the four planes switched off the transponders or changed their codes upon taking control, making it difficult to track them on radar. Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) /NORAD personnel stated they had difficulty identifying and tracking the aircraft, though they were at times able to locate them:
NEADS technicians spotted Flight 11 twenty miles north of Manhattan, just two or three minutes before it crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center.[3]
"Looking at the general capitol area, one of the [NEADS] tracker techs thinks he spots the plane on radar."[4]
The 9/11 Commission Report: "Radar techs at NEADS/Rome are tracking Flight 77 near Washington, D.C."[2]

As the transponders in three of the four hijacked aircraft were switched off, and the remaining aircraft had changed its transponder code twice, the FAA had difficulty relaying the current aircraft positions to NORAD/NEADS by phone, so even though they had access to the same radar data, NEADS was unable to locate most of the flights. This intermittent data was of some use to the US Secret Service. Barbara Riggs, then Deputy Director of the Secret Service stated, "Through monitoring radar and activating an open line with the FAA, the Secret Service was able to receive real time information about other hijacked aircraft. We were tracking two hijacked aircraft as they approached Washington, D.C."[5]

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. Because of these and many additional challenges, new procedures were created or modified from routine forensic protocols. This effort facilitated the identification of 1594 of the 2749 victims.

DNA Identifications After the 9/11 World Trade Center Attack (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...tions_After_the_911_World_Trade_Center_Attack [accessed May 30, 2017].

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camlok said:

How did the "nose cone" of the WTC2 jet manage to go thru two walls of 14" steel box columns in perfect shape?

Why is the nose cone roughly 30 to 35 feet long?

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