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Pearl Harbor a conspiracy

Pin dÁr

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Did President Franklin Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked.?


Yes, of course!...


oh btw 9-11 was called 'the new pearl harbor'! Hmm that is saying something eh?!
 
Interesting how you start threads and provide no links / information to back up your claim.

So please provide a link to information that brought you to the conclusion you posted that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked. Even if he did, so why is your point.

9/11 was called the "new pearl harbor' by the author DRG. A retired American professor of philosophy of religion. Wonder if he wrote the book to capitalize on the tragedy of 9/11?
 
mike2810 said:
Interesting how you start threads and provide no links / information to back up your claim.

So please provide a link to information that brought you to the conclusion you posted that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked. Even if he did, so why is your point.

9/11 was called the "new pearl harbor' by the author DRG. A retired American professor of philosophy of religion. Wonder if he wrote the book to capitalize on the tragedy of 9/11?
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capitalize on the tragedy of 9/11?


wow!!!
 
Pin dÁr said:
capitalize on the tragedy of 9/11?


wow!!!
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Why didn't you provide a source to what you stated in the OP regarding Roosevelt? Please provide the source.

Interesting how you picked on the DRG comment. Note: I did not say he wrote the book to capitalize on 9/11. Also noted you did nothing to refute my "wonder if" statement, except to say "wow".
 
But wasn't it in a newspapaer??? a week before it happened?

Do you think that if a newspaper knew, the president didn''t??

of course he knew! it is all planned in advance.
 
Pin dÁr said:
But wasn't it in a newspapaer??? a week before it happened?

Do you think that if a newspaper knew, the president didn''t??

of course he knew! it is all planned in advance.
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Don't know if it was in the newspaper a week before it happened. Provide you source.

Pin. either start backing up what your saying or there is no use continue with you.
 
It should have been known. And, I always found it an amazing stroke of good luck that the only ships in that harbor were ones we could afford to lose. Notice how the Aircraft carriers were all nowhere near PH.
 
mike2810 said:
Don't know if it was in the newspaper a week before it happened. Provide you source.

Pin. either start backing up what your saying or there is no use continue with you.
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okido

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mike2810 said:
Interesting how you start threads and provide no links / information to back up your claim.

So please provide a link to information that brought you to the conclusion you posted that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked. Even if he did, so why is your point.

mike2810 said:
9/11 was called the "new pearl harbor' by the author DRG. A retired American professor of philosophy of religion. Wonder if he wrote the book to capitalize on the tragedy of 9/11?
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That is incredible ignorance on your part or a lie. Which is it? "new pearl harbor" is part of the neo-cons agenda for a new american century. 911 was the new pearl harbor and it has been as successful for the war criminals as the 1941 event was.

The point is, why is it lost on you?, that the US is a deeply evil entity that will stop at nothing, even the murder of its own, to advance the wealth of US oligarchs.
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mike2810 said:
Don't know if it was in the newspaper a week before it happened. Provide you source.

Pin. either start backing up what your saying or there is no use continue with you.
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You shouldn't accuse others of things that you are always guilty of.
 
mike2810 said:
Don't know if it was in the newspaper a week before it happened. Provide you source.

Pin. either start backing up what your saying or there is no use continue with you.
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There are lots of sources. Sources are things that you avoid.

Roosevelt's intentions were nearly exposed in 1940 when Tyler Kent, a code clerk at the U.S. embassy in London, discovered secret dispatches between Roosevelt and Churchill. These revealed that FDR — despite contrary campaign promises — was determined to engage America in the war. Kent smuggled some of the documents out of the embassy, hoping to alert the American public — but was caught. With U.S. government approval, he was tried in a secret British court and confined to a British prison until the war's end.
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camlok said:
You shouldn't accuse others of things that you are always guilty of.
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Where have I made any claim in this thread to have to provide a source?

Answer: I haven't. I basically asked Pin to do so. He has provided one.

Do not make this personal. Address the topic.
 
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Pin dÁr said:
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Note the word "may". So nothing finite.

""It's ridiculous," says Rob Citino, a senior researcher at the National World War II Museum in New Orleans. "But it's evergreen. It never stops. My students, over 30 years — there'd always be someone in class [who'd say], 'Roosevelt knew all about it.'"
Conspiracy theories, half-truths and full-on lies are getting new attention as they appear alongside real news and information on social networks — but that's nothing new. The official investigations into the Japanese attack started in the 1940s, and even now, each time new documents become declassified, a headline pops up asking whether Roosevelt allowed it.

The Two-Way
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe Will Become First Japanese Leader To Visit Pearl Harbor
No, says Roosevelt biographer Jean Edward Smith.
"He was totally caught off guard by it," Smith says. "The record is clear. There was no evidence of the Japanese moving toward Pearl Harbor that was picked up in Washington."

A Fake Story That Lives On: No, FDR Did Not Know The Japanese Were Going To Bomb Pearl Harbor : NPR

and a general search
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#...out+the+pearl+harbor+attack&spf=1494708128643

Cam please note there is one specific link and one general search with multiple sources refuting that Roosevelt knew before hand of the attack.
 
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Address the topic.
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Yes, why don't you do just that, instead of preferring tangents.

Roosevelt typically stated: "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

But privately, the president planned the opposite. Roosevelt dispatched his closest advisor, Harry Hopkins, to meet British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in January 1941. Hopkins told Churchill: "The President is determined that we [the United States and England] shall win the war together. Make no mistake about it. He has sent me here to tell you that at all costs and by all means he will carry you through, no matter what happens to him — there is nothing he will not do so far as he has human power." William Stevenson noted in A Man Called Intrepid that American-British military staff talks began that same month under "utmost secrecy," which, he clarified, "meant preventing disclosure to the American public." Even Robert Sherwood, the president's friendly biographer, said: "If the isolationists had known the full extent of the secret alliance between the United States and Britain, their demands for impeachment would have rumbled like thunder throughout the land."

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camlok said:
Yes, why don't you do just that, instead of preferring tangents.
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Refer to Post 1 by the Pin for topic.

What tangents would that be Cam? I provided ample sources that has a different opinion that the OP regarding Pearl Harbor.


Quit trying to bait me and you trying to make this personal. (last reminder).
 
mike2810 said:
Cam please note there is one specific link and one general search with multiple sources refuting that Roosevelt knew before hand of the attack.
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The lyingest group of people ever to inhabit the planet. And I know you believe the propaganda.

The Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, 911, Iraq WMDs, Afghanistan myriad lies, the list is endless. But still you believe. Citing US sources that have been covering up all these known lies, US sources that continue to cover up all these myriad lies.

Most highly gullible Americans still think that Saddam was responsible for 911.

And you believe the fatuous notion that these "academics" that provide cover for the lies then rectify them. History shows that to be false.
 
camlok said:
The lyingest group of people ever to inhabit the planet. And I know you believe the propaganda.

The Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, 911, Iraq WMDs, Afghanistan myriad lies, the list is endless. But still you believe. Citing US sources that have been covering up all these known lies, US sources that continue to cover up all these myriad lies.

Most highly gullible Americans still think that Saddam was responsible for 911.

And you believe the fatuous notion that these "academics" that provide cover for the lies then rectify them. History shows that to be false.
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What does the Gulf of Tonkin, the Main, 911.... have to do with the topic of Pearl Harbor and President Roosevelt?

Start a new thread if you want to discuss the subject matter you brought up.
 
mike2810 said:
What does the Gulf of Tonkin, the Main, 911.... have to do with the topic of Pearl Harbor and President Roosevelt?
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They have everything to do with Pearl Harbor and why it happened. These things all show that that is the usual modus operandi of the USA. And the list I have provided here is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, 911, Iraq WMDs, Afghanistan myriad lies, the list is endless. But still you believe. Citing US sources that have been covering up all these known lies, US sources that continue to cover up all these myriad lies.

Most highly gullible Americans still think that Saddam was responsible for 911.

And you believe the fatuous notion that these "academics", US phony baloney media, that provide cover for the lies then rectify them. History shows that to be false.

Address these points.

The US still negotiating with the Taliban into August of 2001.

Lord, you all are gullible.
 
I used to find conspiracy theories entertaining, but now - seeing how popular they are becoming - it's actually quite unsettling.
 
camlok said:
They have everything to do with Pearl Harbor and why it happened. These things all show that that is the usual modus operandi of the USA. And the list I have provided here is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, 911, Iraq WMDs, Afghanistan myriad lies, the list is endless. But still you believe. Citing US sources that have been covering up all these known lies, US sources that continue to cover up all these myriad lies.

Most highly gullible Americans still think that Saddam was responsible for 911.

And you believe the fatuous notion that these "academics", US phony baloney media, that provide cover for the lies then rectify them. History shows that to be false.

Address these points.

The US still negotiating with the Taliban into August of 2001.

Lord, you all are gullible.
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You give a personal opinion response and provide no sources to back it up. Not much to address.

It is so telling you refuse to provide your sources. Unless you provide the sources, one cannot adequate address your opinion points.
 
Is the attack on Pearl Harbor a topic in this thread? Because I am confused and do not want to get my t*t in a wringer. I would like to examine Pearl Harbor in an unemotional manner if there is interest.
 
Rexedgar said:
Is the attack on Pearl Harbor a topic in this thread? Because I am confused and do not want to get my t*t in a wringer. I would like to examine Pearl Harbor in an unemotional manner if there is interest.
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The topic is "Did President Franklin Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked.?" from the OP.

imo, the thread should be limited to that question. Did the President know or not that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.
 
mike2810 said:
The topic is "Did President Franklin Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked.?" from the OP.

imo, the thread should be limited to that question. Did the President know or not that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.
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My answer would be yes, but because of the time that has passed, I cannot 'prove' anything. I do have a few links if you would like to follow up. I also have a family connection to the OP question. If I do not get directly back, it's dinner time in my time zone. Somebody will probably send me to the CT thread, let me know...
 
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