There was never a Biggie Bangie.

iguanaman · May 8, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
I honestly don't know.

The first thing you need to believe is that energy and matter are interchangeable. Energy can change into matter and matter can change into energy. That is what powers the sun. The energy of the big bang changed into hydrogen atoms which coalesced due to gravity and formed the suns that created all the other elements by fusion. 2 hydrogen atoms are fused into one helium atom and so on. Science now believes that all matter in the universe eventually will all be sucked into black holes which will then be sucked into each other leaving the "singularity" once again. Gravity make that inevitable.

Hypnotoad · May 8, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
Why not answering the question?

Because there's no real point to answering. One of the wonderful things about the Internet is the simple fact that anyone could claim to be anyone/thing else. Where that 20-year old college hottie could be a 45-year old guy named Murry sitting at a computer with keyboard in one hand and his John Thomas in the other.

btw lots of words for one very simple thing,

Because this is a debate and discussion site. Both of which involve more than automatically naysaying what the other person says. So...there's going to be words, thoughts, concepts, points, counter points, etc.

Answer me this:

If there was a big bang there must be a redshift.

There is a redshift.

So, there was a big bang,

Now, is this a logical fallacy or not?

What you are saying in this quote is. What science says isn't. If you look at ALL of the data that leads scientists to theorize a Big Bang it's not just Red Shift that leads to the theory. There's a large number of phenomenon that the commonly acceptable theory that explains it all is a singular expansion event.

Ikari · May 8, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
Or can someone explain how nothing exploded into a lot of something?!

And people really believe the big bang ****e? unbelievable!

vacuum fluctuations.

Pin dÁr · May 9, 2017

Hypnotoad said:
Because there's no real point to answering. One of the wonderful things about the Internet is the simple fact that anyone could claim to be anyone/thing else. Where that 20-year old college hottie could be a 45-year old guy named Murry sitting at a computer with keyboard in one hand and his John Thomas in the other.

Because this is a debate and discussion site. Both of which involve more than automatically naysaying what the other person says. So...there's going to be words, thoughts, concepts, points, counter points, etc.

What you are saying in this quote is. What science says isn't. If you look at ALL of the data that leads scientists to theorize a Big Bang it's not just Red Shift that leads to the theory. There's a large number of phenomenon that the commonly acceptable theory that explains it all is a singular expansion event.

not so, ALL can be better explained without a biggie bangie. btw 'commonly accepted" is not valid argument.

and please again, answer the quesition about the red shift, it isn't that hard.

And to me it seems you cling to the religion called 'science' in stead of looking at all arguments. Hence the question about being a scientist or whatever.

Pin dÁr · May 9, 2017

iguanaman said:
The first thing you need to believe is that energy and matter are interchangeable. Energy can change into matter and matter can change into energy. That is what powers the sun. The energy of the big bang changed into hydrogen atoms which coalesced due to gravity and formed the suns that created all the other elements by fusion. 2 hydrogen atoms are fused into one helium atom and so on. Science now believes that all matter in the universe eventually will all be sucked into black holes which will then be sucked into each other leaving the "singularity" once again. Gravity make that inevitable.

you really believe that fairy tale? on what grounds?

Hypnotoad · May 9, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
you really believe that fairy tale? on what grounds?

And there you go again with referring to someone else's beliefs as "a fairy tale".

Hypnotoad · May 9, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
And to me it seems you cling to the religion called 'science' in stead of looking at all arguments. Hence the question about being a scientist or whatever.

There's a really good reason as to why I don't want to answer that question. Because knowing you and how you "debate" (and I use that term VERY loosely), there is no answer that I can give that you can't (and likely won't) turn against me as a means to better your argument by putting me down.

If I say I'm a scientist, you can search for something somewhere that you think proves that I'm lying and call me out on it. You can find something that says that I'm a scientist, but not in the field of astrophysics and use that against me, you can call me "One of the indoctrinated" and brand me a mindless sheeple following blindly the lies that are established by modern academia.

Or I say that I'm not a scientist. And again there are things that you can use against me. If I'm not a scientist then I'm not qualified to discuss scientific matters, or I'm using science as a religion and am blindly following it.

Neither of the above are the argument at hand and are frankly arguments I don't want to get into it with you.

And since this is the internet, as I stated above anyone can be anyone they want to be. I could be a 45 year old female nurse hiding, I could be a 20-year old college student. I could be a 30-year old IT person am simply and bored off my arse. You don't know who I am and I don't know who you are. Let's just leave it alone and just continue on being who we claim to be and just stick to the argument.

As for the rest of it? You're clinging to the belief that everything in the universe as explained by modern science is wrong. Is that so different than my clinging to my belief that the universe is slowly giving up its secrets to those who study it with an open mind and using the scientific methods?

iguanaman · May 9, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
you really believe that fairy tale? on what grounds?

You don't believe in gravity?

Pin dÁr · May 10, 2017

iguanaman said:
You don't believe in gravity?

I am not talking about believe here. gravity is in conflict with the 'law of conservation of energy"

So, according to physics it just can't exist.

I have written before that there are better explanations.

iguanaman · May 10, 2017

Pin dÁr said:
I am not talking about believe here. gravity is in conflict with the 'law of conservation of energy"

So, according to physics it just can't exist.

I have written before that there are better explanations.

Now you are messing with Newton? You are far out there in flat Earth land. Not even believing what you see with your own eyes.

Pin dÁr · May 10, 2017

iguanaman said:
Now you are messing with Newton? You are far out there in flat Earth land. Not even believing what you see with your own eyes.

I have NOTHING to do with flat earth, mate! stick to the topic if you can,

and 'messing'????? Do you mean I am not allowed to criticise or research? am I a blasphemist now? lol

and 'not believing what you see with your own eyes"? If you mean I see thinks falling , of course I do I don't dispute that at all!

But you also don't read my postings, I have written that here a few times!

I am not talking about what happens but why it happens, And that is not gravity, again, because it is in conflict with the thermodynamic law,

even according to physics gravity can't exist.

Belieth · Jul 29, 2018

I really do agree there never was a Big Bang at all.

The whole thing is just too ridiculous.

And people are asking why we don't take 'science' serious?

seriously?

Rich2018 · Jul 29, 2018

Pin dÁr said:
Or can someone explain how nothing exploded into a lot of something?!

And people really believe the big bang ****e? unbelievable!

What possible reason would you have for NOT believing the Big Bang theory ?

Rich2018 · Jul 29, 2018

Belieth said:
I really do agree there never was a Big Bang at all.

The whole thing is just too ridiculous.

And people are asking why we don't take 'science' serious?

seriously?

That's probably because you don't know anything about physics or cosmology.

The Big Bang theory is accepted around the world, but if you have a better theory go ahead and publish it. The Nobel Prize committee is waiting....

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

Rich2018 said:
That's probably because you don't know anything about physics or cosmology.

Nice try , but wrong and also a cheap ad hominem.

The Big Bang theory is accepted around the world,

So what? Being accepted around the world is no recipe for truth at all

but if you have a better theory go ahead and publish it.

Sigh, once again, not having a better theory makes a theory right, of course. so much for your flawed 'logical' thinking, eh.

The Nobel Prize committee is waiting....

Don't let me start there, most of the ones who had receive it were liars.

Oh and btw didn't Obama get the "Nobel Peace Prize" , for err wait for it.....going to war?!

The Nobel Prize is way too overrated.

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

Rich2018 said:
What possible reason would you have for NOT believing the Big Bang theory ?

for starters. if it was true then nothing exploded into something and made this whole universe.

Don't you really see what enormous ridiculous nonsense that is?!

soylentgreen · Jul 30, 2018

Pin dÁr said:
Or can someone explain how nothing exploded into a lot of something?!

And people really believe the big bang ****e? unbelievable!

what made you think it was nothing in the first place?

Sounds like your making this up for the purpose of pretending it is ridiculous.

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

soylentgreen said:
what made you think it was nothing in the first place?

Sounds like your making this up for the purpose of pretending it is ridiculous.

well at least you agree it is ridiculous and no, not me, but 'scientist' made this up!.welll, 'they' call it the 'singularity'

to let it look less ridiculious. I hope you agree that won't work.

soylentgreen · Jul 30, 2018

Belieth said:
well at least you agree it is ridiculous and no, not me, but 'scientist' made this up!.welll, 'they' call it the 'singularity'

to let it look less ridiculious. I hope you agree that won't work.

No, I think you are trying to be ridiculous.

Care to demonstrate a scientist made up your opinion?

You will have to show where any scientist says it started from nothing. But i doubt you will. Making up ridiculous claims such as yours is the norm for sceptics.

As for the word singularity in context with the beginning of the universe it sounds as if you do not understand what the word means. Or perhaps it is science itself that you do not understand.

Care to give some definition of a singularity and why you would think it ridiculous?

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

soylentgreen said:
No, I think you are trying to be ridiculous.

Care to demonstrate a scientist made up your opinion?

You will have to show where any scientist says it started from nothing. But i doubt you will. Making up ridiculous claims such as yours is the norm for sceptics.

As for the word singularity in context with the beginning of the universe it sounds as if you do not understand what the word means. Or perhaps it is science itself that you do not understand.

Care to give some definition of a singularity and why you would think it ridiculous?

Ah well, you never studied the whole thing then, eh!?

Well then, according to this idiotic clown:

Nothing existed before Big Bang: Stephen Hawking

NEW YORK: There was absolutely nothing before the Big Bang, ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...bang-stephen-hawking/articleshow/63172298.cms

And people swallow this poop, hook , line and...

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

Well,well,w..

Many scientists assume that the universe came from nothing, which is an idea that can only be true in light of quantum theory.

https://futurism.com/proof-that-the-universe-could-have-come-from-nothing/

Belieth · Jul 30, 2018

More scientific nonsense:

Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Journal referencehys. Rev. D 89, 083510 (2014)

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

well, directly from the Cornell University Library!

So don't say I made up these ridiculous claims! scientist did (most scientist are really psychotic btw)

soylentgreen · Jul 30, 2018

Belieth said:
Ah well, you never studied the whole thing then, eh!?

Well then, according to this idiotic clown:

So it is not just ignorance on your part but also a being to lazy to read the article and do the research.
From your link;

"It was always reaching closer to nothing but didn't become nothing," said Hawking.

And people swallow this poop, hook , line and...

No, it is still a case of you do not have a clue what is being said.

soylentgreen · Jul 30, 2018

Belieth said:
Well,well,w..

Are you cherry picking articles to pretend you have credibility. Read the rest of the article and it quite clearly makes you look foolish.

soylentgreen · Jul 30, 2018

Belieth said:
More scientific nonsense:

well, directly from the Cornell University Library!

So don't say I made up these ridiculous claims! scientist did (most scientist are really psychotic btw)

No not saying you are making it up. But i am saying you have no idea hat you are talkihg a bout.
Again, from the link you provide.

An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation

It would really help your credibility of which you lack completely to actually read the articles you link and then perhaps it would not make you look so silly when it is pointed out that you have just cherry picked it.