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The United States Government 9-11 Official Conspiracy Theory [USG9-11OCT]

Tigerace117 said:
The only problem with your fantasies is that nowhere does Stockwell say that the CIA conducts false flag attacks, nor that oppressive dicatators you conspiracy nuts idolize actually cared about their people.
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But John Stockwell does point out all the vicious, oppressive, brutal right wing dictators that the US has always supported and their typical actions.

Approaching this subject from my own point of view, my own experience -- my special expertise in the CIA covert actions -- let's look at Nicaragua. This is the most famous covert action of the fifty that are going on today. ... Part of it is it's closer, but a big part of it is the fact that the Administration is using Nicaragua for a very special purpose, so they have made it public from the outset.

What this is is a technique of destabilization. In covert action, you call it destabilization. You have a target: a government that you don't like. You pick a country you're going to go after. The reasons are quite whimsical. We go after a country for a while, and if it doesn't work, sometimes we wind up being friends with them. They pick a government. They target them. They send the CIA in with its resources and its activists: hiring people, hiring agents to tear apart the social and economic fabric of the country. It's a technique for putting pressure on the government, hoping they can make the government come to the U.S.'s terms, or that the government will collapse altogether and they can engineer a coup d'etat, and have the thing wind up with their own choice of people in power.

Now ripping apart the economic and social fabric is fairly textbookish. What we're talking about is going in and deliberately creating conditions where the farmer can't get his produce to market; where children can't go to school; where women are terrified inside their homes as well as outside; where government administered programs grind to a complete halt; where the hospitals are treating wounded people instead of sick people; where international capital is scared away and the country goes bankrupt.

John Stockwell: The Secret Wars of the CIA
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camlok said:
We are doing that in an number of threads, mike.
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This is true. How come you've avoiding presenting any counter arguments in the other thread? You know the one where I've pointed out lies you and others have told. Or are you conceding that they are in fact lies or incorrect information?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hate to break it to you bud, but you are the brainwashed one, clinging desperately to straws in an attempt to avoid reality.
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that really sounds like projection (which IS denial) to me!


you know about the river eh?!
 
gamolon said:
This is true. How come you've avoiding presenting any counter arguments in the other thread? You know the one where I've pointed out lies you and others have told. Or are you conceding that they are in fact lies or incorrect information?
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You never point out anything, gamolon. You US government official conspiracy theory theorists are just mass producers of emoticons and stroking each other.

Why no comment of John Stockwell pointing out the US vicious actions around the world, the same US that pretends, in massive propaganda programs, that it is a savior of the oppressed, a force for good, an country that advances democracy?
 
camlok said:
You never point out anything, gamolon. You US government official conspiracy theory theorists are just mass producers of emoticons and stroking each other.
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I'll add this as just another lie camlok. Go visit this thread https://www.debatepolitics.com/cons...ion-being-passed-around-regarding-9-11-a.html

Look at all the posts I made with the red, bolded, underlined numbering. I presented actual quotes of each piece of incorrect information and/or lie told by you and other truthers complete with information as to why it is incorrect. Nobody from your truther camp has made any attempts to provide a counter argument.
 
camlok said:
You never point out anything, gamolon. You US government official conspiracy theory theorists are just mass producers of emoticons and stroking each other.

Why no comment of John Stockwell pointing out the US vicious actions around the world, the same US that pretends, in massive propaganda programs, that it is a savior of the oppressed, a force for good, an country that advances democracy?
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Like my first post here https://www.debatepolitics.com/cons...d-around-regarding-9-11-a.html#post1067109901 which contains nothing of what you claim? The truther quotes accompanied by information as to why the information is wrong.

Nice try...
 
camlok said:
You never point out anything, gamolon. You US government official conspiracy theory theorists are just mass producers of emoticons and stroking each other.

Why no comment of John Stockwell pointing out the US vicious actions around the world, the same US that pretends, in massive propaganda programs, that it is a savior of the oppressed, a force for good, an country that advances democracy?
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Why no comments from you in the other thread that was started in mid-April?
 
gamolon said:
Why no comments from you in the other thread that was started in mid-April?
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Why no comments about the governments who create these false flags with their gigantic, extraordinary lies concocting the most gigantic, extraordinary US government official conspiracy theories?
 
camlok said:
I'm especially impressed by how you US government official conspiracy theory theorist offer up so much evidence, science and the type of rational discussion you have offered above and have always offered, Tigerace.

Also how you so badly screw up the English language.
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As usual from a conspiracy nut, a lot of bluster signifying nothing of importance.
 
camlok said:
But John Stockwell does point out all the vicious, oppressive, brutal right wing dictators that the US has always supported and their typical actions.
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And yet you support regimes far more brutal than any the US has backed. This shows your hypocrisy.
 
Pin dÁr said:
that really sounds like projection (which IS denial) to me!


you know about the river eh?!
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Yep. You, Pin D Ar, know quite a bit about that river seeing how much time you spend in it daily.
 
camlok said:
The original, one of the looniest USG9-11OC theories was that OBL was responsible for the 911 attacks. This loonyness started soon after the towers were hit by drone planes.



And most of the sheeple, as they always have for all the US illegal invasions, fell in line.

The problem is that there was never any evidence that OBL and Al Qaeda were responsible. Science says it is impossible, totally impossible.

The FBI never figured OBL was responsible for 911.
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So all those people who lost family are just liars?
 
Slingshot Bob said:
So all those people who lost family are just liars?
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Science, Bob, you've got to follow the science. "all those people who lost family" have nothing whatsoever to do with the science. The vast majority of them likely know nothing at all about the science. Many of them do know that the US government lied to them.

My guess is you mean the movies like Let's Roll. When one looks at the real life events supported by facts, those obvious propaganda films mean nothing.

How would you answer the poll questions?
On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11.
The poll was sponsored by ReThink911, a global public awareness campaign launched on September 1. The campaign includes a 54-foot billboard in Times Square and a variety of transit and outdoor advertising in 11 other cities, all posing the question, “Did you know a third tower fell on 9/11?”
Among the poll’s findings:
– 38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;
– 46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
– After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:
– 46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know; [in other words, more people think controlled demolition than believe the government’s narrative]
– By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it.
30-Second Video Shown to 1,194 Survey Respondents:

https://www.infowars.com/poll-more-...hed-than-believe-the-governments-explanation/
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You can see the 30 second video clip the people polled were shown at the above link.
 
camlok said:
Science, Bob, you've got to follow the science. "all those people who lost family" have nothing whatsoever to do with the science. The vast majority of them likely know nothing at all about the science. Many of them do know that the US government lied to them.

My guess is you mean the movies like Let's Roll. When one looks at the real life events supported by facts, those obvious propaganda films mean nothing.



You can see the 30 second video clip the people polled were shown at the above link.
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I'm reffering to the familiys that had loved ones on the planes who never came home.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And yet you support regimes far more brutal than any the US has backed. This shows your hypocrisy.
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Where did you come up with that silly notion?

The US murdered 3 million in Vietnam, a million in Cambodia, 3 million in Korea, a million in Indonesia, ... .

You don't get much more brutal than that. Here a sample of the US's work.

Systematically, the Contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. Remember the "Assassination Manual" that surfaced in 1984? It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror to traumatize society so that it cannot function.

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your Government and its agents are doing.

They go into villages. They haul out families. With the children forced to watch, they castrate the father. They peel the skin off his face. They put a grenade in his mouth, and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch, they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes, for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda !

John Stockwell: The Secret Wars of the CIA
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These were Ronald Reagan's own Contras, the folks he called "freedom fighters"; "They are the moral equivalent of our founding fathers."

Probably the only time Reagan was ever right about anything.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I'm reffering to the familiys that had loved ones on the planes who never came home.
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That would be the responsibility of the actual perpetrators of 911. Science is completely clear, the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapses of the three towers on 911.
 
camlok said:
Where did you come up with that silly notion?

The US murdered 3 million in Vietnam, a million in Cambodia, 3 million in Korea, a million in Indonesia, ... .

You don't get much more brutal than that. Here a sample of the US's work.



These were Ronald Reagan's own Contras, the folks he called "freedom fighters"; "They are the moral equivalent of our founding fathers."

Probably the only time Reagan was ever right about anything.
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Ah, you mean during the war where the North Koreans invaded the South? How about when the North Vietnamese invaded their own southern cousins and helped prop up the Khmer Rouge? Because I hate to break it to you, but this was not the US' fault.

I guess the Contras didn't murder enough of their own people to win your admiration, huh.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, you mean during the war where the North Koreans invaded the South? How about when the North Vietnamese invaded their own southern cousins ...? Because I hate to break it to you, but this was not the US' fault.

I guess the Contras didn't murder enough of their own people to win your admiration, huh.
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Wow, you don't know anything about US history, save for the propaganda you've been fed. The Contras were Reagan and the US government's creation - trained, funded and directed by the USA, by one of the most corrupt, evil, vicious felonious US administrations ever and that's really saying something.

The people of the south of Vietnam hated the Americans and the brutal vicious dictator the US installed. Eisenhower had known that the vast majority of Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh and so he scuttled the UN planned elections. Then the US slaughtered three million people, napalmed villagers, tortured and raped, dropped people out of helicopters, played "gook hockey" where US soldiers driving heavy military trucks would try to hit children walking along the roads.

TigerAce: and helped prop up the Khmer Rouge
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Again, just WOW!. You know zero about US history. The US created the conditions for PolPot and the Khmer Rouge to come to power with the US's massive bombing of Cambodia. Nixon told Kissinger, " Everything that flies on everything that moves", meaning "Every US plane that was capable of flying was to bomb everything on the ground that moved", and the US did.

The US was the group that propped up PolPot and the Khmer Rouge both before and after the Vietnamese forced them out of Cambodia.

4. Khmer Rouge: Henry Kissinger: “How many people did (Khmer Rouge Foreign Minister Ieng Sary) kill? Tens of thousands? You should tell the Cambodians (i.e., Khmer Rouge) that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs, but we won’t let that stand in the way. We are prepared to improve relations with them. Tell them the latter part, but don’t tell them what I said before.” (Nov. 26, 1975 meeting with Thai foreign minister)

The Top 10 Most Inhuman Henry Kissinger Quotes | Alternet
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Though the North Koreans had a reputation for viciousness, according to Cumings, U.S. soldiers actually engaged in more civilian massacres. This included dropping over half a million tons of bombs and thousands of tons of napalm, more than was loosed on the entire Pacific theater in World War II, almost indiscriminately.

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“Rapes were extremely common. Koreans in the South will still say that that was one of the worst things of the war (was how)many American soldiers were raping Korean women.”

Cumings said he was able to draw upon a lot of South Korean research that has come out since the nation democratized in the 1990s about the massacres of Korean civilians. This has been the subject of painstaking research by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Seoul and Cumings describes the results as “horrific.” Atrocities by “our side, the South Koreans (ran) six to one ahead of the North Koreans in terms of killing civilians, whereas most Americans would think North Koreans would just as soon kill a civilian to look at him.”

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In all, Korea suffered 3 million civilian dead during the 1950-53 war, more killed than the 2.7 million Japan suffered during all of World War II.

One of the worst atrocities was perpetrated by the South Korean police at the small city of Tae Jun. They executed 7,000 political prisoners while Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. military officials looked on, Cumings said. To compound the crime, the Pentagon blamed the atrocity on the Communists, Cumings said. “The Joint Chiefs of Staff classified the photographs of it because they make it clear who’s doing it, and they don’t let the photographs out until 1999 when a Korean finally got them declassified.” To top that off, the historian says, “the Pentagon did a video movie called ‘Crime of Korea’ where you see shots of pits that go on for like a football field, pit after pit of dead people, and (actor) Humphrey Bogart in a voice-over says, ‘someday the Communists will pay for this, someday we’ll get the full totals and believe me we’ll get the exact, accurate totals of the people murdered here and we will make these war criminals pay.’

The Korean War: The ?Unknown War?. The Coverup of US War Crimes | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
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camlok said:
Wow, you don't know anything about US history, save for the propaganda you've been fed. The Contras were Reagan and the US government's creation - trained, funded and directed by the USA, by one of the most corrupt, evil, vicious felonious US administrations ever and that's really saying something.

The people of the south of Vietnam hated the Americans and the brutal vicious dictator the US installed. Eisenhower had known that the vast majority of Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh and so he scuttled the UN planned elections. Then the US slaughtered three million people, napalmed villagers, tortured and raped, dropped people out of helicopters, played "gook hockey" where US soldiers driving heavy military trucks would try to hit children walking along the roads.



Again, just WOW!. You know zero about US history. The US created the conditions for PolPot and the Khmer Rouge to come to power with the US's massive bombing of Cambodia. Nixon told Kissinger, " Everything that flies on everything that moves", meaning "Every US plane that was capable of flying was to bomb everything on the ground that moved", and the US did.

The US was the group that propped up PolPot and the Khmer Rouge both before and after the Vietnamese forced them out of Cambodia.
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As usual you show you know nothing about US history. Any administration you claim is corrupt and felonious---- given that you think every US administration was corrupt and felonious---- is likely one of the best in US history.

The people of South Vietnam despised the Northern invaders just as much. North Vietnamese forces committed a multitude of atrocities during their war of "liberation", most notably in the city of Hue during the Tet Offensive. They treated the southern Viet Cong fighters like dirt, prioritizing the northern infiltrators they had smuggled in via Laos and Cambodia with the best equipment and supplies. The VC got whatever they could steal and that was it. And former Viet Cong soldiers freely admitted they committed war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Huế

https://www.quora.com/What-were-som...Cong-North-Vietnamese-Army-in-the-Vietnam-War

The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

8 Things Vietnam War Movies Leave Out (By an Enemy Soldier)

Once again, the North Vietnamese created that situation by invading Cambodia in the first place in order to flank South Vietnam, and to prop up Pol Pot against the Cambodian monarchy. But you don't care about that. To you, the only problem with the Khmer Rouge is that they didn't murder enough innocent Cambodians that you could then blame America for.
 
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