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The United States Government 9-11 Official Conspiracy Theory [USG9-11OCT]

celticwar17 said:
I think we have our own car, if we fully payed for it. but not the property or house for sure...because you have to pay taxes on the property/house. You don't have to do anything for a car.... unless you want to drive it xD
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That would depend on which State you live in. For example, Virginia charges a yearly property tax on cars just like they do on real estate.
 
mike2810 said:
Camlok

Please start a thread to discuss your believe on what happened on 9/11. Let us look at your explanation in detail.
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He has--what happened on 911 was a magnificent deception. He too was fooled. He was fooled by the mainstream media as puppets. Who are the puppet masters? We can only speculate Michael. :mrgreen:
 
Tigerace117 said:
Considering the drivel people like you believe.....you have no room to talk.
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Please give some examples of this drivel, Tigerace. Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? How can there be discussion if you won't discuss?
 
mike2810 said:
The Official report on 9/11 is far more creditable than the work of DRG, Prager, Gage, Jones, etc.
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Why would you advance such a ludicrous notion without providing any evidence, mike? Whoops, sorry, you never do.

Here is but a small start of the 100 lies of the 911 Commission.

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The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie - 911Truth.Org


Given this clarification, I now list the omissions and claims of The 9/11 Commission Report that I, in my critique of that report, portrayed as lies:

1. The omission of evidence that at least six of the alleged hijackers—including Waleed al-Shehri, said by the Commission probably to have stabbed a flight attendant on Flight 11 before it crashed into the North Tower of the WTC—are still alive (19-20).

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta—such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances—that is in tension with the Commission’s claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

3. The obfuscation of the evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to have flown an airliner into the Pentagon (21-22).

4. The omission of the fact that the publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names (23).

5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25).

6. The omission of the fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse (25-26).

7. The omission of the fact that, given the hypothesis that the collapses were caused by fire, the South Tower, which was struck later than the North Tower and also had smaller fires, should not have collapsed first (26).

8. The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed—an occurrence that FEMA admitted it could not explain (26).

9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition (26-27).

10. The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was “a hollow steel shaft”—a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the “pancake theory” of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many hundreds of feet in the air (27-28).

11. The omission of Larry Silverstein’s statement that he and the fire department commander decided to “pull” Building 7 (28).

12. The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives (30).

13. The omission of the fact that because Building 7 had been evacuated before it collapsed, the official reason for the rapid removal of the steel—that some people might still be alive in the rubble under the steel—made no sense in this case (30).

14. The omission of Mayor Giuliani’s statement that he had received word that the World Trade Center was going to collapse (30-31).[/quote]
 
camlok said:
Please give some examples of this drivel, Tigerace. Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? How can there be discussion if you won't discuss?
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Oh, for starters the idea that there could be a conspiracy to cover up attacks with the immensity of 9/11 without it being exposed sixteen years later. The government can't even cover up a simple burglary and you expect us to believe it can conceal a fake terrorist attack?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, for starters the idea that there could be a conspiracy to cover up attacks with the immensity of 9/11 without it being exposed sixteen years later. The government can't even cover up a simple burglary and you expect us to believe it can conceal a fake terrorist attack?
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Look at how easy it has been to shut up everyone including the press.

The Manhattan Project with hundreds of thousands of employees was kept a secret, even from Harry Truman.

The Gulf of Tonkin was kept a secret until R McNamara spoke of it before he died and still it is a secret from most people. How percent of people still think that Iraq had WMD? Who knows of Operation Gladio? Who knows of the US sponsored and run genocide in Indonesia, in Nicaragua?

Do you know, how many know that the USA is the only country to have ever been convicted of international terrorism?

How many know that the USA has been condemned by the UNGA for the last quarter century for its terrorism against Cuba?

All this is out there in the public realm.
 
camlok said:
Look at how easy it has been to shut up everyone including the press.

The Manhattan Project with hundreds of thousands of employees was kept a secret, even from Harry Truman.

The Gulf of Tonkin was kept a secret until R McNamara spoke of it before he died and still it is a secret from most people. How percent of people still think that Iraq had WMD? Who knows of Operation Gladio? Who knows of the US sponsored and run genocide in Indonesia, in Nicaragua?

Do you know, how many know that the USA is the only country to have ever been convicted of international terrorism?

How many know that the USA has been condemned by the UNGA for the last quarter century for its terrorism against Cuba?

All this is out there in the public realm.
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"Terrorism against Cuba" my ass. The Castro regime has one of the worst human rights records in the world. It also spent millions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up communist regimes and terrorist groups across Africa and Latin America.

The Manhattan Project wasn't a highly publicized terrorist attack. It was also way out in the boonies.

Iraq did have WMDs. Ever hear of chemical weapons?

I hate to break it to you, but a NATO stay behind program ensuring that the Soviets wouldn't be able to enjoy occupying Western Europe is not a crime.

There are plenty of countries and organizations willing to dance to a piper as long as the tune is anti American.
 
Cam

The link to 911Truth.org regarding DRG claims only goes to prove my point. Some of DRG's statements shows he did not understand what the 9/11 was commissioned to do.

"is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks. "

Seems you don't understand the role that different investigation groups had in the 9/11 aftermath.
 
mike2810 said:
Cam

The link to 911Truth.org regarding DRG claims only goes to prove my point. Some of DRG's statements shows he did not understand what the 9/11 was commissioned to do.

"is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks. "

Seems you don't understand the role that different investigation groups had in the 9/11 aftermath.
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You are providing lies to cover the lies and liars, mike.

Here are more lies:

15. The omission of the fact that President Bush’s brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of security for the WTC (31-32).

16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for several reasons (33-34).

17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several hundred miles per hour (34).

18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing’s façade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered (34).

19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon (34-36).

20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial airliner—even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be thus defended (36).

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras—including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike—could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon (37-38).

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Tigerace117 said:
"Terrorism against Cuba" my ass. The Castro regime has one of the worst human rights records in the world. It also spent millions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up communist regimes and terrorist groups across Africa and Latin America.
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The country with the worst human rights records is the USA. As witnessed by the 198 countries voting the US as a terrorist against Cuba versus 2 countries for the US [US and Israel]

The US is also the biggest terrorist nation/group on the planet. And the only country where all presidents since WWII have been Class A war criminals.

But this is about how easy it is for the US to hide its evil. You don't even know much of its deep evil yourself.
 
camlok said:
You are providing lies to cover the lies and liars, mike.

Here are more lies:
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Have a good one cam. Live in your CT fantasy world if that is what makes you happy.

It is clear you really don't want to discuss and debate.
 
camlok said:
The country with the worst human rights records is the USA. As witnessed by the 198 countries voting the US as a terrorist against Cuba versus 2 countries for the US [US and Israel]

The US is also the biggest terrorist nation/group on the planet. And the only country where all presidents since WWII have been Class A war criminals.

But this is about how easy it is for the US to hide its evil. You don't even know much of its deep evil yourself.
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No, actually. Plenty of countries, such as Germany, Russia, and Japan, far outstrip the US in terms of human rights violations historically.

When exactly did our allies decide we were terrorists again? One would think that a government like England or France which would declare such bull**** would not want to associate with "terrorists".

I really do hate to break it to you, but that "statistic" is also bullcrap

I already thoroughly debunked your previous effort to claim that the US was evil, so it's clear you don't have anything in reality.
 
mike2810 said:
Have a good one cam. Live in your CT fantasy world if that is what makes you happy.

It is clear you really don't want to discuss and debate.
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Says one of the US government official conspiracy theory theorists. The guy that supposedly has the airtight case. The theory with thousands of holes, the one that can't hold water, the one that mike can never provide any evidence for, just useless speculation.

That is all it has ever been, useless speculation.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, actually. Plenty of countries, such as Germany, Russia, and Japan, far outstrip the US in terms of human rights violations historically.

Over 70 illegal invasions since WWII, tens of millions murdered by the USA. The only country ever convicted of international terrorism.

Avid support for the Nazis. The Nazis copied US propaganda methods - one of the reasons so many of you have discerning reality.

When exactly did our allies decide we were terrorists again? One would think that a government like England or France which would declare such bull**** would not want to associate with "terrorists".

"again" - For the last 25 years. I already told you. You have a terrible time grasping reality. 198 to 2.
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camlok said:
Tigerace117 said:
No, actually. Plenty of countries, such as Germany, Russia, and Japan, far outstrip the US in terms of human rights violations historically.
camlok said:
Over 70 illegal invasions since WWII, tens of millions murdered by the USA. The only country ever convicted of international terrorism.

Avid support for the Nazis. The Nazis copied US propaganda methods - one of the reasons so many of you have discerning reality.

When exactly did our allies decide we were terrorists again? One would think that a government like England or France which would declare such bull**** would not want to associate with "terrorists".

"again" - For the last 25 years. I already told you. You have a terrible time grasping reality. 198 to 2.
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Your quote function didn't work bud.

"Illegal invasions"? Ah, the age old whine which comes up every time a communist terrorist organization is smashed by US backed forces and has to surrendered. I bet the South Koreans and many other are quite happy the US "invaded".

No, the Nazis adopted the eugenics movement. They didn't "copy US propaganda".

And that still doesn't change the fact that they committed far worse crimes than the US ever has.

Bull****. If the US' allies had decided that the US was a terrorist organization they never would have stayed allied to us for the past 25 years. You are delusional.
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The US has illegally invaded over 70 times since WWII, murdering tens of millions of people. The US supports the most vicious thug dictatorships in the world, which it needs of course for its black torture chambers.

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35 Countries Where the U.S. Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords and Terrorists | Alternet

35 Countries Where the U.S. Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords and Terrorists

Here's a handy A to Z guide to U.S.-backed international crime.

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The ugly reality behind the mirror is that the U.S. government has a long and unbroken record of working with fascists, dictators, druglords and state sponsors of terrorism in every region of the world in its elusive but relentless quest for unchallenged global power.

Behind a firewall of impunity and protection from the State Department and the CIA, U.S. clients and puppets have engaged in the worst crimes known to man, from murder and torture to coups and genocide. The trail of blood from this carnage and chaos leads directly back to the steps of the U.S. Capitol and the White House. As historian Gabriel Kolko observed in 1988, "The notion of an honest puppet is a contradiction Washington has failed to resolve anywhere in the world since 1945." What follows is a brief A to Z guide to the history of that failure.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, the Nazis adopted the eugenics movement. They didn't "copy US propaganda".
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I know it's exceedingly difficult for you to find accurate information; that because you have been so heavily propagandized your entire life that it makes it virtually impossible.


In 1933, the American Press Was Proud that Hitler Adopted Its Propaganda Methods. Nothing Has Changed.
Posted on July 22, 2009 by WashingtonsBlog

In 1933, the American advertising industry proudly and publicly boasted that Hitle was copying their American propaganda techniques. [see also, Flashback to 1933: US ad industry digs Hitler / Boing Boing ]

After Hitler and Goebbels gave a bad name to propaganda, Freud’s nephew – psychologist Edward Bernays – simply re-branded propaganda as “public relations” and “professional journalism”.

As veteran reporter John Pilger writes:

Bernays, described as the father of the media age, was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. “Propaganda,” he wrote, “got to be a bad word because of the Germans . . . so what I did was to try and find other words [such as] Public Relations.” Bernays used Freud’s theories about control of the subconscious to promote a “mass culture” designed to promote fear of official enemies and servility to consumerism. It was Bernays who, on behalf of the tobacco industry, campaigned for American women to take up smoking as an act of feminist liberation, calling cigarettes “torches of freedom”; and it was his notion of disinformation that was deployed in overthrowing governments, such as Guatemala’s democracy in 1954.
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celticwar17 said:
I think we have our own car, if we fully payed for it. but not the property or house for sure...because you have to pay taxes on the property/house. You don't have to do anything for a car.... unless you want to drive it xD
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Even the car isn't yours. it really is owned by the government (or better half owned)

But there are tricks to make it your car. And you have to do it in a different state then you are living in.

if you succeed you don't need a driver license, (unless used for commerce)
 
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camlok said:
I know it's exceedingly difficult for you to find accurate information; that because you have been so heavily propagandized your entire life that it makes it virtually impossible.
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Wonderful. You expect me to believe a blog. One which doesn't even confirm your fantasies.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Wonderful. You expect me to believe a blog. One which doesn't even confirm your fantasies.
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Tigerace117 said:
Your quote function didn't work bud.
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Neither has your propaganda worked, Tiger. So typical of you US government official conspiracy theory theorists. You'll believe absolutely anything fed to you by your top of the heap world class lying governments.

I don't expect you to believe anything because of the brainwashing you have experienced which started at birth.

How about a former top CIA agent? Will you believe him?
 
Here he is, describing the long long history of the CIA torturing people across the world. That would be the CIA from the country that brings freedom and democracy to the world's poor.

The Secret Wars of the CIA
Excerpts from a talk by John Stockwell

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Now, how do you teach torture? Someone can teach you about torture, but sooner or later you have to get involved. You have to lay on your hands and try it yourself. They would pick up guinea pigs off the streets: beggars, and take them in to use in these torture training classes. Of course, the horror of that is, these people wouldn't know why they were being tortured. They couldn't give up. They couldn't say: "I'm sorry! Stop the pain! I'll tell you the names of everybody involved!" All they could do was lie there and scream!

When they would collapse, they would bring in doctors who would shoot them up with Vitamin B and rest them up for the next class. And when they would die, they would mutilate the bodies and throw them out on the streets to terrify the population, so that everybody would be afraid of the police and the Government. This is what the CIA was teaching them to do.

One of the women who was in this program for two years -- tortured in Brazil for TWO YEARS -- testified internationally when she eventually got out. She said the most horrible thing about it, in fact, was that the people doing it were not raving psychopaths. She couldn't break mental contact with them the way you could if they were psychopaths. They were very ordinary people.

She told about being tortured one day: She's on this table, naked in a room full of six men, and they're doing these incredibly painful, degrading things to her body. There's an interruption. The American is called to the telephone, and he's in the next room, and the others take a smoke break. She's lying on this table, and he's saying: "Oh, hi Honey. Yes, I can wrap it up here in another hour or so, and meet you and the kids at the Ambassador's on the way home."


John Stockwell: The Secret Wars of the CIA
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camlok said:
Neither has your propaganda worked, Tiger. So typical of you US government official conspiracy theory theorists. You'll believe absolutely anything fed to you by your top of the heap world class lying governments.

I don't expect you to believe anything because of the brainwashing you have experienced which started at birth.

How about a former top CIA agent? Will you believe him?
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Hate to break it to you bud, but you are the brainwashed one, clinging desperately to straws in an attempt to avoid reality.
 
camlok said:
Here he is, describing the long long history of the CIA torturing people across the world. That would be the CIA from the country that brings freedom and democracy to the world's poor.
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The only problem with your fantasies is that nowhere does Stockwell say that the CIA conducts false flag attacks, nor that oppressive dicatators you conspiracy nuts idolize actually cared about their people.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hate to break it to you bud, but you are the brainwashed one, clinging desperately to straws in an attempt to avoid reality.
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I'm especially impressed by how you US government official conspiracy theory theorist offer up so much evidence, science and the type of rational discussion you have offered above and have always offered, Tigerace.

Also how you so badly screw up the English language.
 
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