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Real purpose of visit to Moscow?

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Exclusive: Trump Apologized to Russia for Syria Attack | Veterans Today

Does Russia kiss and tell?

It appears that one more important reason for Tillerson's visit to Moscow was to get Russia to restore the Flight Safety Memorandum that had existed in Syrian airspace between US flights and Russian flights until The Donald struck Syria with the Tomahawks.

Russia has agreed to restore the agreement, under certain conditions. Is this a poker game, or a chess game?
 
Exclusive: Trump Apologized to Russia for Syria Attack | Veterans Today

Does Russia kiss and tell?

It appears that one more important reason for Tillerson's visit to Moscow was to get Russia to restore the Flight Safety Memorandum that had existed in Syrian airspace between US flights and Russian flights until The Donald struck Syria with the Tomahawks.

Russia has agreed to restore the agreement, under certain conditions. Is this a poker game, or a chess game?

Obama certainly did deal his successor a nasty hand in Syria.
 
Exclusive: Trump Apologized to Russia for Syria Attack | Veterans Today

Does Russia kiss and tell?

It appears that one more important reason for Tillerson's visit to Moscow was to get Russia to restore the Flight Safety Memorandum that had existed in Syrian airspace between US flights and Russian flights until The Donald struck Syria with the Tomahawks.

Russia has agreed to restore the agreement, under certain conditions. Is this a poker game, or a chess game?
Seems to me: Trump is playing checkers - Putin's playing chess!
 
Wonder what part of the article is true. Not bad for an opinion piece.

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https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/911disinfo/911-disinfo-trolls/veterans-today-is-disinfo/
 
Dunno. But Tillerson doesn't strike me as someone who apologizes, much.

And certainly not in this case, and what the hell for anyway? Calling Russia and al-Assad on the use of WMDs when there shouldn't have been any?

No, I don't see anything here that needs to be apologized for.
 
Real purpose of the visit?

'Don't worry Vlad...we are still good. But until this FBI thing blows over, we need to be publicly more adversarial.'
 
Dunno. But Tillerson doesn't strike me as someone who apologizes, much.

And certainly not in this case, and what the hell for anyway? Calling Russia and al-Assad on the use of WMDs when there shouldn't have been any?

No, I don't see anything here that needs to be apologized for.

I'm pretty sure that for whoever wants to check, the Russians have made public statements about this situation. The Russians control the airspace, and it looks like they are pretty good at it considering the number of Tomahawks that didn't make it to target. The US is attempting to removed Assad from power, and if they must support ISIS to do so, they will. Think Charlie Wilson's War. It's how we roll.

The Russians have made political hay of the US begging back to get on the approved list of bomb-dropping aircraft and anybody else.
 
I'm pretty sure that for whoever wants to check, the Russians have made public statements about this situation. The Russians control the airspace, and it looks like they are pretty good at it considering the number of Tomahawks that didn't make it to target. The US is attempting to removed Assad from power, and if they must support ISIS to do so, they will. Think Charlie Wilson's War. It's how we roll.

The Russians have made political hay of the US begging back to get on the approved list of bomb-dropping aircraft and anybody else.

From what I recall, the number of Tomahawks that didn't make it to target was exactly one. Had a failure, guidance I think it was, and fell in the ocean short of the target. That count of reported on target was 59 out of 60.

This, even with the Russians given 1 hours notice to evacuate their personnel as was reported. So no, I think the Russians either didn't have an air defense system in place that could shoot down the Tomahawks or they didn't bother to use it. Of these two, I'm not so sure which one it was, or perhaps it was another possibility.

While the Russians can make all the hay they want, I think it's more their trying to save face more so than an accurate portrayal.

Not sure how you mean that "Charlie Wilson's War" plays into the Syria situation.

As reported, there have been a number of efforts by the US to equip and train one faction or another in this civil war, but all I've heard is that there were piles of money spent, but no results delivered, as from what I recall the people trained end up switching sides to one the US doesn't want to back as the political situation amongst the factions ebbs and flows.

I sure hope that the US doesn't become further involved in or mired in Syria, it's veritable quicksand.
 
From what I recall, the number of Tomahawks that didn't make it to target was exactly one. Had a failure, guidance I think it was, and fell in the ocean short of the target. That count of reported on target was 59 out of 60.

This, even with the Russians given 1 hours notice to evacuate their personnel as was reported. So no, I think the Russians either didn't have an air defense system in place that could shoot down the Tomahawks or they didn't bother to use it. Of these two, I'm not so sure which one it was, or perhaps it was another possibility.

While the Russians can make all the hay they want, I think it's more their trying to save face more so than an accurate portrayal.

Not sure how you mean that "Charlie Wilson's War" plays into the Syria situation.

As reported, there have been a number of efforts by the US to equip and train one faction or another in this civil war, but all I've heard is that there were piles of money spent, but no results delivered, as from what I recall the people trained end up switching sides to one the US doesn't want to back as the political situation amongst the factions ebbs and flows.

I sure hope that the US doesn't become further involved in or mired in Syria, it's veritable quicksand.

Russia blinked.

Russia's Lavrov says ready to cooperate with U.S. on Syria: agencies | Reuters
 

A good sign.

Tillerson has dealt with the Russians in his business career, and it has been reported as rather successfully. The Russians know him. Again, upfront blunt and candid, and honest.

Near the beginning of the press conference on Wednesday, Tillerson said US relations with Russia were at a "low point."

"There is a low level of trust between our two countries," Tillerson said. "The world's two foremost nuclear powers cannot have this kind of relationship."
Rex Tillerson faces off with Sergey Lavrov in tense press conference - Business Insider

I can understand and appreciate someone like this, who approaches international relations like this, and I have to believe that both allies and competitors appreciate it as well.
 
Real purpose? probably participate in heavy satanic rituals! No this is no joke!

Those idiots kill and sacrifice children in their satanic rituals.
 
From what I recall, the number of Tomahawks that didn't make it to target was exactly one. Had a failure, guidance I think it was, and fell in the ocean short of the target. That count of reported on target was 59 out of 60.

This, even with the Russians given 1 hours notice to evacuate their personnel as was reported. So no, I think the Russians either didn't have an air defense system in place that could shoot down the Tomahawks or they didn't bother to use it. Of these two, I'm not so sure which one it was, or perhaps it was another possibility.

While the Russians can make all the hay they want, I think it's more their trying to save face more so than an accurate portrayal.

Not sure how you mean that "Charlie Wilson's War" plays into the Syria situation.

As reported, there have been a number of efforts by the US to equip and train one faction or another in this civil war, but all I've heard is that there were piles of money spent, but no results delivered, as from what I recall the people trained end up switching sides to one the US doesn't want to back as the political situation amongst the factions ebbs and flows.

I sure hope that the US doesn't become further involved in or mired in Syria, it's veritable quicksand.

From the several satellite or Google overhead shots of the Syrian airbase, one can count fairly well the strikes, and the number is right around 24 strikes. Because the US media doesn't mention it at all, I suspect the Russian number is closer to reality.

The Charlie Wilson angle just demonstrates essentially what you said--we will hire any mercenary that walks in the door to achieve our geopolitical goals, no matter how dishonorable or illegal they may be. When we want to change a regime, we pay people to do it. That was the message from Charlie Wilson, and it's still our modus operandi today.

We agree that Syria should be none of our business, but my wishes and yours do not matter.

It will be interesting to see how and if the restoration by the Russians will change the behavior of the US and Israel. My bet is it will NOT.
 
From the several satellite or Google overhead shots of the Syrian airbase, one can count fairly well the strikes, and the number is right around 24 strikes. Because the US media doesn't mention it at all, I suspect the Russian number is closer to reality.

As posted, the reported number of hits is:

10:39 p.m.: In a statement, the Pentagon said a total of 59 Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles targeted aircraft, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, air defense systems and radars. The Pentagon stressed that “extraordinary measures” were taken to avoid civilian causalities.
Live updates: Trump launches missile strike on Syria - CBS News

The Charlie Wilson angle just demonstrates essentially what you said--we will hire any mercenary that walks in the door to achieve our geopolitical goals, no matter how dishonorable or illegal they may be. When we want to change a regime, we pay people to do it. That was the message from Charlie Wilson, and it's still our modus operandi today.

The policy of equipping and training local combatants in order to support them as opposed to US troop boots on the ground has been a long standing US policy. True. Not so sure that characterizing it as hiring mercenaries "no matter how dishonorable or illegal they may be" is really an accurate portrayal, but details, details, probably not worth quibbling over.

We agree that Syria should be none of our business, but my wishes and yours do not matter.

Agreed on both counts. However, I don't object to the strike in response to Assad's use of chem WMDs.

It will be interesting to see how and if the restoration by the Russians will change the behavior of the US and Israel. My bet is it will NOT.
 
As posted, the reported number of hits is:





The policy of equipping and training local combatants in order to support them as opposed to US troop boots on the ground has been a long standing US policy. True. Not so sure that characterizing it as hiring mercenaries "no matter how dishonorable or illegal they may be" is really an accurate portrayal, but details, details, probably not worth quibbling over.



Agreed on both counts. However, I don't object to the strike in response to Assad's use of chem WMDs.

I would hate to see my friend die in a foreign country, Syria, because some politicians have sold the idea that we are the world's policemen, avenging every dead child anywhere, while not talking about those children we kill with our drones.

I don't think Assad did it, he has been framed, but even if he did, WTF should we be concerned with how he runs his country? Please, answer me that. Why should our guys die for ****ty causes?
 
I would hate to see my friend die in a foreign country, Syria, because some politicians have sold the idea that we are the world's policemen, avenging every dead child anywhere, while not talking about those children we kill with our drones.

No would I, hence the Tomahawk strike would seem to be a reasonable and measured response. I would like to point out that there were / are no children at a Syrian air base though.

I don't think Assad did it, he has been framed, but even if he did, WTF should we be concerned with how he runs his country? Please, answer me that. Why should our guys die for ****ty causes?

I rather doubt that Assad didn't do it. He has in fact established a track record of doing so previously.

If the use of chemical WMDs isn't thwarted, their use will only spread, as would the suffering they inflict. The world agreed in the Geneva Conventions to never use any and all use of chemical WMDs.

The Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, usually called the Geneva Protocol, is a treaty prohibiting the use of chemical and biological weapons in international armed conflicts. It was signed at Geneva on 17 June 1925 and entered into force on 8 February 1928. It was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on 7 September 1929.[SUP][4][/SUP] The Geneva Protocol is a protocol to the Convention for the Supervision of the International Trade in Arms and Ammunition and in Implements of War signed on the same date, and followed the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol

You are either part of the solution (enforce that ban) or you are part of the problem. The strike was supported by a great many nations for this very reason, the ban and its enforcement.
 
Real purpose of the visit?

'Don't worry Vlad...we are still good. But until this FBI thing blows over, we need to be publicly more adversarial.'

Good ol-fashioned PR meanmuggin'!
 
Real purpose? probably participate in heavy satanic rituals! No this is no joke!

Those idiots kill and sacrifice children in their satanic rituals.

What are you going on about now?
 
No would I, hence the Tomahawk strike would seem to be a reasonable and measured response. I would like to point out that there were / are no children at a Syrian air base though.



I rather doubt that Assad didn't do it. He has in fact established a track record of doing so previously.

If the use of chemical WMDs isn't thwarted, their use will only spread, as would the suffering they inflict. The world agreed in the Geneva Conventions to never use any and all use of chemical WMDs.



You are either part of the solution (enforce that ban) or you are part of the problem. The strike was supported by a great many nations for this very reason, the ban and its enforcement.

The military aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan were supported by "a great many nations". All that really means is that "a great many nations" practice situational ethics. Yes, "a great many humans" get together to form a lynch mob. What's new?
 
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