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The Earth Is Flat!!![W:282]

Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

zyzygy said:
Odd that he didn't mention that the Earth was flat. He said that the Earth had no edge. If it was flat then it would have an edge. Space is curved. He was wrong about gravity. The heliocentric model is reality. Surely you don't think that the Sun goes around the Earth?
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Odd that he stated the earth is "not" a planet. Odd that this man was not in my educational program (school books), but Einstein was. Funny all the controversy during the life of Tesla, that was between heliocentrists (Einstein) and Tesla. Funny the controversy between patents being stolen from Tesla. Do you know what the United States government did with Tesla's property, inventions, and patents at the moment of his death? Funny how this man who brought us everything we use today, was excluded from the text books of public education.

Your ancient Greek sun god (helios), has his name directly in the title of what you claim to be the universe. HELIOcentric. You think the worship of the sun days are over? No, they actually have you and almost the entire world worshipping Helios. They have successfully pushed the people in the desired direction of their choosing. They have formed a system in which the people slave to keep alive for them. As they send young men and women to lose their lives, for the sake of honor. They sit back enjoying the finer things of life, abundant foods, the best wines, all the fancy material belongings they worship, and they get to keep'em, because they have figured out how to enslave man without the chains or whips. The Art of War (psychological warfare). The system we go along with, is specifically for them. And they have you believing that law's or legislation, policy, is all for the people.

Imagine if you will, a country so ignorant they willingly elect rich criminals, who lie, deceive, and steal their money, all while having them believe they are free. The desires of men have never changed, nor will they. The only thing that changes is technology, and that always changes in a way that enhances the desires of men.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Tell me, how far away from "curvature" are you right now. Can you see the curvature? The argument is won and lost with curvature, so where is it.

They say standing at the beach looking out at a boat going over the horizon, the lost sight of the boat is a result of the curvature of earth.
Yet their saying the boat is behind the curve. That makes no sense whatsoever.

If the boat is blocked from the curvature of earth, then this should not be possible at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMImHOdr5iE

The curvature of the earth is symmetrical, if the boat is going over the curve in front of you, then the curvature should be noticed even more expanding from your left to right, in which a farther distance can be seen.
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What an absolute joke. Your making the argument of curvature from simple observation. And quite obviously have never done the observation yourself.
When you say dumb crap like this: " So any sort of elevation from that moment should start to reveal the curvature, yet when elevated it remains flat. "
Then you are doing nothing more than advertising ignorance and not learning is where you are coming from.

I suggest you go outside and actually take a look at the horizon. You might discover just how foolish your statement is. You will see that any observation no matter it be from an elevated hight, in fact even if you got into an aeroplane and flew up high what you would really observe is that the horizon rises up and is always at eye level.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Odd that he stated the earth is "not" a planet. Odd that this man was not in my educational program (school books), but Einstein was. Funny all the controversy during the life of Tesla, that was between heliocentrists (Einstein) and Tesla. Funny the controversy between patents being stolen from Tesla. Do you know what the United States government did with Tesla's property, inventions, and patents at the moment of his death? Funny how this man who brought us everything we use today, was excluded from the text books of public education.

Your ancient Greek sun god (helios), has his name directly in the title of what you claim to be the universe. HELIOcentric. You think the worship of the sun days are over? No, they actually have you and almost the entire world worshipping Helios. They have successfully pushed the people in the desired direction of their choosing. They have formed a system in which the people slave to keep alive for them. As they send young men and women to lose their lives, for the sake of honor. They sit back enjoying the finer things of life, abundant foods, the best wines, all the fancy material belongings they worship, and they get to keep'em, because they have figured out how to enslave man without the chains or whips. The Art of War (psychological warfare). The system we go along with, is specifically for them. And they have you believing that law's or legislation, policy, is all for the people.

Imagine if you will, a country so ignorant they willingly elect rich criminals, who lie, deceive, and steal their money, all while having them believe they are free. The desires of men have never changed, nor will they. The only thing that changes is technology, and that always changes in a way that enhances the desires of men.
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The Earth is a planet. The Sun is not the centre of the universe. I do not worship a giant ball of gas in a state of fusion. Why are you posting such nonsense? Who are "they"?
 
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zyzygy said:
The Earth is a planet. The Sun is not the centre of the universe. I do not worship a giant ball of gas in a state of fusion. Why are you posting such nonsense? Who are "they"?
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Seriously...you don't know who, "they" are? Those behind the curtain pulling the strings. What you think the president is more than a spokesman? He's just a front for the real elite. The bankers run the world. The Jesuits!! They have positioned themselves in all categories. From education, churches, top corporations, banks, military, house, senate, Hollywood, music industry, your entire world or system is set up for them. And "WE" fall for it. You think a different president brings change? That's funny. I can't believe you don't even know who "they" are? "You will know them by their fruits".

This video is about 4 hours long. Now I don't expect you to watch it, I expect you will not watch it. But if you skip to 28:00 mark, you might learn something. Within this panel there is a ball earther, 2 flat earthers, and a neutral. They seem to be able to have an adult conversation on the matter. Whereas most act very childish on the matter.

"He that answereth a matter before he hears it, folly and shame unto him."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iIZ9H4ZLzs&t=1917s
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

soylentgreen said:
What an absolute joke. Your making the argument of curvature from simple observation. And quite obviously have never done the observation yourself.
When you say dumb crap like this: " So any sort of elevation from that moment should start to reveal the curvature, yet when elevated it remains flat. "
Then you are doing nothing more than advertising ignorance and not learning is where you are coming from.

I suggest you go outside and actually take a look at the horizon. You might discover just how foolish your statement is. You will see that any observation no matter it be from an elevated hight, in fact even if you got into an aeroplane and flew up high what you would really observe is that the horizon rises up and is always at eye level.
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Yet you claim the boat over the horizon, is due to the curvature of earth.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Seriously...you don't know who, "they" are? Those behind the curtain pulling the strings. What you think the president is more than a spokesman? He's just a front for the real elite. The bankers run the world. The Jesuits!! They have positioned themselves in all categories. From education, churches, top corporations, banks, military, house, senate, Hollywood, music industry, your entire world or system is set up for them. And "WE" fall for it. You think a different president brings change? That's funny. I can't believe you don't even know who "they" are? "You will know them by their fruits".

This video is about 4 hours long. Now I don't expect you to watch it, I expect you will not watch it. But if you skip to 28:00 mark, you might learn something. Within this panel there is a ball earther, 2 flat earthers, and a neutral. They seem to be able to have an adult conversation on the matter. Whereas most act very childish on the matter.

"He that answereth a matter before he hears it, folly and shame unto him."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iIZ9H4ZLzs&t=1917s
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Pass.
 
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TheGoverness said:
The Earth is not flat. This is a fact.

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For your "feminist" post at the bottom. Anybody can choose whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they will get it. We were all created equal, but that doesn't mean we will end up that way.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
For your "feminist" post at the bottom. Anybody can choose whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they will get it. We were all created equal, but that doesn't mean we will end up that way.
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We'll all be dead one day. That's pretty equal.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

mike2810 said:
As I posted, science is not on your side Jrr777. That said, what sources are you using to determine the earth is flat?

( you realize your MTwain quote could apply to flat earth believers as well .:mrgreen:

Flat Earthers debunked: How we know the Earth and Moon are spheres, not discs

"Anyone who has ever waited for a ship to dock will notice that a ship does not sporadically appear off the horizon but gradually emerges from beneath the ocean. The reason ships do not emerge from the ocean – nor fall off the edge of Earth – is because the planet is round. The fact that ships appear to emerge from the depths of the sea is an illusion cast by Earth’s curvature."

"If the Earth were flat, then we all would stand on an equal playing field. The problem, as anyone who has ever stood atop of a hill knows, is that the higher elevated you are, the more you can see. At certain heights, you can actually see the curvature of the Earth. This makes complete sense if the Earth is round and absolutely no sense if the Earth is flat.
Time Zones"

"Flat Earth theory is based upon an outdated understanding of gravity. Conventional understandings of gravity are incompatible with Flat Earth theory, because they require a spherical mass pulling all objects towards its center. Flat-Earthers propos that a disk-shaped Earth is accelerating “upward,” which gives the illusion of gravity. Of course, no explanation is given why or how the Earth is accelerating upwards.
As the noted list has shown, not only are Flat-Earthers misinformed – they’re square. Anyone who doubts the existence of gravity is invited to jump out of a three story building."

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=flat+earth+debunked&spf=378
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Gravity is not needed. Pressure, buoyancy, density, electromagnetism, frequencies, and vibrations is all that's needed. If something is denser than it's surroundings, it will fall. If it is less dense, than it will rise. The theory of gravity is irrelevant. Just as before gravity was even a thought.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Gravity is not needed. Pressure, buoyancy, density, electromagnetism, frequencies, and vibrations is all that's needed. If something is denser than it's surroundings, it will fall. If it is less dense, than it will rise. The theory of gravity is irrelevant. Just as before gravity was even a thought.
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My post stands. You really should study up.

and your link to back up your statement is missing. Think you forgot to add it.:mrgreen::lamo
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

mike2810 said:
My post stands. You really should study up.

and your link to back up your statement is missing. Think you forgot to add it.:mrgreen::lamo
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Can you explain how large bodies of water, or massive salt flats with rain upon them, show a perfect reflection of the clouds above, and whatever else would be in viewers vision? And how a slight bend in a mirror, would not allow for this? So if the water is curving, how is the reflection a perfect representation of the images?
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Can you explain how large bodies of water, or massive salt flats with rain upon them, show a perfect reflection of the clouds above, and whatever else would be in viewers vision? And how a slight bend in a mirror, would not allow for this? So if the water is curving, how is the reflection a perfect representation of the images?
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No link provided , yet requested.

Till you start providing what is asked, I don't plan to play your 20 question game.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
"It is much easier to fool a man, than to convince him he's been fooled." -Mark Twain-
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Mark Twain was a genius. But he knew, like PT Barnum, there's a sucker born every minute. He also knew that there were a hell of a lot less suckers after they finally accepted the world wasn't flat.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
How would you respond to someone who tells you the earth is flat? Is it even possible for such a massive lie to be agreed upon and left unchecked? We are indoctrinated into the heliocentric model. We are shown since we could pretty much crawl, that where we live is on a sphere. We have no intelligence at that age to even bring an argument to the table. The best way to indoctrinate people no matter the cause (militarily, religiously, scientifically), is at a young age. If a group of people could get the majority to believe the earth is a sphere, when they know it's not, then they can get them to believe anything. All kings and queens throughout mankind have used the heavens to capture minds. With a flat earth cosmology they was able to predict eclipses, hold rituals for them, keep track of days, months, years, and all the seasons, they was able to navigate as well. And all civilizations even if they didn't know each-other, all agreed on a flat earth. Mayans using men of religion and science like all kingdoms, captured the minds of their people once they was able to predict eclipses. To the people the men of science and religion of the Mayans seemed all knowing or godly like. And all from using the heavens. If this took place with all kingdoms of history, why would people assume it no longer applies?

Most people believe that such a lie cannot take place, yet all through mankind's history kings, queens, or powers that be, have never given truth to the people. Battles, wars, all these was propagated with lies and deceptions, and then to cover them up, the people simply get more lies and deceptions. I think it's safe to say that we all live a life based on nothing but lies. Meaning we got to where we are today off of lies, kings and queens of the past telling nothing but lies, covering the lies with more lies. The people of all kingdoms never get the truth from the leaders. Today they call it, "classified" or "top secret", we don't get the truth. The truth should never be classified or top secret. And should be the only thing worth fighting for. Evil and wrong doings, is what's kept classified or top secret. They don't want us knowing what's truly going on for a reason. Why would religion, economics, or science be any different?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what do the powers-that-be have to gain to make us believe the Earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun?
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Really, C'MON MAN!!! I understand if you think it's ridiculous, what I don't understand is if your going to engage in the conversation, why bring such childish behavior?
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1. There is no rational way to discuss an inherently irrational claim. This is especially true of claims that are both stupid and irrational.

2. Your OP is gibberish. The Earth is flat because people could keep track of days and years without knowing that the Earth was round, even though knowledge that the Earth was round way before the time period you were talking about? (Greece, Chinese, etc). Then you move on to some kind of generic rant about how monarchs "have never given truth to the people" and now there is such a thing as "classified information", therefore flat Earth? What?

It does not make sense. And even if it was written in coherent English, you will have made the mistakes every conspiracy theorist has made: you don't bother to make an argument for how it is that nobody involved in the conspiracy has ever gotten caught or made a deathbed confession, AND you haven't bothered to explain how the people allegedly involved in this conspiracy benefit from it (nevermind that you never bothered to identify who is allegedly in on it other than generic ramblings about rulers).

3. There is no more reason that I should believe your unintentionally comedic post over intentional comedy, aka, Terry Pratchett's fantasy comedy series based on The Discworld. They're both made up nonsense, but Pratchett's is much better anyway.



What is ridiculous is that I'm actually taking the time to explain this to you.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Gravity is not needed. Pressure, buoyancy, density, electromagnetism, frequencies, and vibrations is all that's needed. If something is denser than it's surroundings, it will fall. If it is less dense, than it will rise. The theory of gravity is irrelevant. Just as before gravity was even a thought.
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"lol wut?"




Anyway, have fun with your insane posts. I truly hope you are only trolling.
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

Mr Person said:
1. There is no rational way to discuss an inherently irrational claim. This is especially true of claims that are both stupid and irrational.

2. Your OP is gibberish. The Earth is flat because people could keep track of days and years without knowing that the Earth was round, even though knowledge that the Earth was round way before the time period you were talking about? (Greece, Chinese, etc). Then you move on to some kind of generic rant about how monarchs "have never given truth to the people" and now there is such a thing as "classified information", therefore flat Earth? What?

It does not make sense. And even if it was written in coherent English, you will have made the mistakes every conspiracy theorist has made: you don't bother to make an argument for how it is that nobody involved in the conspiracy has ever gotten caught or made a deathbed confession, AND you haven't bothered to explain how the people allegedly involved in this conspiracy benefit from it (nevermind that you never bothered to identify who is allegedly in on it other than generic ramblings about rulers).

3. There is no more reason that I should believe your unintentionally comedic post over intentional comedy, aka, Terry Pratchett's fantasy comedy series based on The Discworld. They're both made up nonsense, but Pratchett's is much better anyway.



What is ridiculous is that I'm actually taking the time to explain this to you.
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If that's truly how you feel........why are you responding?
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

mike2810 said:
No link provided , yet requested.

Till you start providing what is asked, I don't plan to play your 20 question game.
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Sounds good to me!!
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

jrr777 said:
Tell me, how far away from "curvature" are you right now. Can you see the curvature? The argument is won and lost with curvature, so where is it.

They say standing at the beach looking out at a boat going over the horizon, the lost sight of the boat is a result of the curvature of earth. So any sort of elevation from that moment should start to reveal the curvature, yet when elevated it remains flat. Yet their saying the boat is behind the curve. That makes no sense whatsoever.

If the boat is blocked from the curvature of earth, then this should not be possible at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMImHOdr5iE

The curvature of the earth is symmetrical, if the boat is going over the curve in front of you, then the curvature should be noticed even more expanding from your left to right, in which a farther distance can be seen.
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I have a hunch you're joking here, and somehow am reminded of Hermann Goering's claim that to take a country to war, "all you have to do is to tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists (dissenters or non-believers) for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." If your point is that people tend to believe what the authorities tell them, you're very right. If you're joking, good joke. :mrgreen:

If you're not joking, I wonder if you gaze at the moon like I do, and notice its circular shape? If the earth is flat, what does that sphere circle so regularly?
 
Re: The Earth Is Flat!!!

Geoist said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but what do the powers-that-be have to gain to make us believe the Earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun?
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