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What if Pres. Obama did wiretap Trump?

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I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

In that unlikely scenario, he would have been guilty of a crime as I understand it. Prosecute him.
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

The same thing that should happen to Trump if it turns out he is lying about Obama again. The problem with Trump is that he has never faced any consequences for lying. A stay in Federal prison would fix that.
 
The same thing that should happen to Trump if it turns out he is lying about Obama again. The problem with Trump is that he has never faced any consequences for lying. A stay in Federal prison would fix that.

Not arguing whether he has lied before or not - but how about we punish everyone that lies (but be careful because a lot on both sides of the aisle will be heading to the big house (and I don't mean the white one).
 
In that unlikely scenario, he would have been guilty of a crime as I understand it. Prosecute him.

This. If he didn't go through proper channels throw him in jail.

However, if he signed off on it because the FBI or the DOJ etc. found evidence of wrong doing and needed to investigate then I see nothing wrong with that, especially since nothing about this was leaked or interfered with the election.
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

So, what you are asking if he himself is caught saying to/ordering a wire tap on Trump or anyone in the US without a FISA warrant? Then it is a crime and he should be impeached and spend time in jail. The impeachment just means that as a former President he would hold the title of impeached and he'd lose all future benefits that a past President would receive (I'm pretty sure on that topic). But, if it was done with a FISA warrant then he would be clear of doing it. However, it may come into speculation as to why they approved the warrant to begin with.

Please remember that this FISA court is a secretive court. To me, that is a big problem. Nothing in our country should be so secretive. And, they would often meet in private/secrecy to discuss FISA regulations.

This information below comes from Wikipedia:

In 2011, the Obama Administration secretly won permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency's use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans' communications in its massive databases. The searches take place under a surveillance program Congress authorized in 2008 under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Under that law, the target must be a foreigner "reasonably believed" to be outside the United States, and the court must approve the targeting procedures in an order good for one year. But a warrant for each target would thus no longer be required. That means that communications with Americans could be picked up without a court first determining that there is probable cause that the people they were talking to were terrorists, spies or "foreign powers." The FISC also extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years with an extension possible for foreign intelligence or counterintelligence purposes. Both measures were done without public debate or any specific authority from Congress.[13]
 
With proof? Charge him, sentence him, then pardon him.
 
The same thing that should happen to Trump if it turns out he is lying about Obama again. The problem with Trump is that he has never faced any consequences for lying. A stay in Federal prison would fix that.

Has Obama faced any consequences for his lies?
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

Then prosecute him if he did and put him in jail. However on the flip side if it's found trump lied then Trump should resign. Agree?
 
This. If he didn't go through proper channels throw him in jail.

However, if he signed off on it because the FBI or the DOJ etc. found evidence of wrong doing and needed to investigate then I see nothing wrong with that, especially since nothing about this was leaked or interfered with the election.

There is a significant difference legally between Obama having him wiretapped, and the FBI doing it. The FBI can get a legal FISA warrant. Obama can't. With a warrant, there is no crime.
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?
Obama is the anti-Christ, and the DNC is pure "Evil"

When all of the press and tv channels are pro-DNC that is the party you shouldn't trust!

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/839168025517522944/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
 
If he did it without a warrant? Prosecute him. If he got a warrant? Then it was legal and there isn't anything to be done.
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

I imagine it depends on how and why. There are possible legitimate and illegitimate scenarios.
 
Has Obama faced any consequences for his lies?

None have risen to any where near Trumps level. Trump makes a mockery of the truth daily and this would be the second time (3rd if you count the peeing hookers) he has personally attacked Obama with no proof. I will never accept this as normal even if you have.
 
None have risen to any where near Trumps level. Trump makes a mockery of the truth daily and this would be the second time (3rd if you count the peeing hookers) he has personally attacked Obama with no proof. I will never accept this as normal even if you have.

The drama.
 
None have risen to any where near Trumps level. Trump makes a mockery of the truth daily and this would be the second time (3rd if you count the peeing hookers) he has personally attacked Obama with no proof. I will never accept this as normal even if you have.

Look up "reverse targeting" It's also illegal.
 
In that unlikely scenario, he would have been guilty of a crime as I understand it. Prosecute him.

Judge Napolitano explained the reason, that the law allows the President to do certain things on a temporary basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act

There is plenty of wiggle room for Obama to consider communication with Russians as a threat to the US. He didn't even need a warrant, and this talk about Obama committing a felony by other elected official is pure bunk. It's not a felony. Now there could have been other associated reasons for the "wiretap" that aren't directly tied to Trump. This could make it difficult to publicize the particulars. But given the now NSA mess with Snowden, there's no doubt it could have been done. And Obama would not have been committing a felony.
 
Why worry about whether or not President Obama had Trump wiretapped when they are watching you right now via your TV!
 
I'm putting this in CT because as of right now it's purely theoretical:
Let's say that tomorrow, absolute proof positive came out that Obama wire-tapped Trump. We're talking about physical evidence, multiple witnesses and a note saying "Wire tap Trump and send me everything. - Barack Hussein Obama" written in his own blood. In this scenario, what should happen to former Pres. Obama?

By that I assume you mean that Obama might have personally hired watergate-like "plumbers" to break into Trump Tower and install surveillance equipment? You're right. This is a CT!

If Trump had any real evidence that he was being surveilled, either legally or illegally, we'd already be looking at it.

Trump took the reputation of this nation down several notches with his childish and insane twitter rant last Saturday.
 
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