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NIST initiate a CD collapse in Tehran office tower to bolster their weak 911 argument

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In a brazzen attempt to further their faulty rhetoric regarding the 911 tower collapses, NIST operatives have used mini nukes and other CD means to bring down a 17 story steel structure on fire in Tehran.
Original built by ( i knew it!) A Jewish business man in the 60s.


See it all tie together now. Checkmate!
 
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That wasn't water. It was a secret nano thermite gel.
 
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Must have been a CD. Based on what CT folks have stated for 16+ years, building fires cannot cause a steel framed building to collapse.:mrgreen:

Wonder if AE911T will ignore the collapse. VeternsToday is also so far quite on this story.
 
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Wow, thanks RW for the footage! I wonder if anybody caught it actually going down?

Finally! One of them collapses from fire. I think the tower was built in the 60's, so it survived pretty long. I wonder if pieces of it were blown sideways hundreds of feet? :mrgreen:
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Wow, thanks RW for the footage! I wonder if anybody caught it actually going down?

Finally! One of them collapses from fire. I think the tower was built in the 60's, so it survived pretty long. I wonder if pieces of it were blown sideways hundreds of feet? :mrgreen:
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This isn't the first steel building to collapse from fire. This has been pointed out to you before. You just shift the goalposts every time.
 
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Deuce said:
This isn't the first steel building to collapse from fire. This has been pointed out to you before. You just shift the goalposts every time.
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No, it's not the first steel building to collapse from fire, and it may or may not qualify as a "modern steel and concrete high rise building" like the towers. As we've discussed before, prior to 9/11/2001 there is no example of a "modern steel and concrete high rise building" collapsing from fire, though there are numerous examples of such buildings around the world having caught fire, not collapsed, been repaired and returned to service.

Moving the goal posts? :lol: Sorry Deuce, I forgot you are so offended by the use of precise terms.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
No, it's not the first steel building to collapse from fire, and it may or may not qualify as a "modern steel and concrete high rise building" like the towers. As we've discussed before, prior to 9/11/2001 there is no example of a "modern steel and concrete high rise building" collapsing from fire, though there are numerous examples of such buildings around the world having caught fire, not collapsed, been repaired and returned to service.

Moving the goal posts? :lol: Sorry Deuce, I forgot you are so offended by the use of precise terms.
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Any steel building collapsing from fire is evidence that fire can weaken steel enough to cause structural failure. And that's all we need to prove that a jet aircraft impact can cause a building to collapse.
 
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Sorry but I think this highlights the pure dumbness and hypocrisy of pantomime debunking.

I started a thread almost 2 years ago to highlight a common meme from the pantomime debunking community.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...gs-have-collapsed-fires-evidence-w-600-a.html

In debates, it would often be said that the WTC collapsed due to fires and that buildings generally don't tend to survive well in fires. So I opened up this thread with many examples of buildings which were hit by planes and caught fire and other buildings which were just on fire which did not collapse.

I was essentially told that this was unfair and that I shouldn't be using them because they are designed differently to the WTC 1, 2 & 7. Which I agreed to and stated in the OP. We know they are designed differently, so what in the design of the WTC made them collapse because none of the other buildings collapsed.

Over 80 pages, there was nothing other than, they are different, therefore can't be used to show that buildings generally don't collapse from fires. I've never denied that fires couldn't bring down buildings, I just don't believe they are very good at it as the examples I posted show. However.......Fast forward 2 years and we now have a high rise building which appears collapse from fires in Iran.

Even though....We have no reports on how the building was designed, whether it met any kind of building standards or fire codes, whether there was a structural fault or flaw, whether there was other factors and more importantly, no report or investigation as published or written which give us the reasons or answers.

Ironically, this building is ALSO designed totally differently to the WTC, yet it is now accepted as evidence that fires can bring down entire buildings.

So what I would like to know is.....

Why is it that a building which is designed differently to the WTC that didn't collapse, can't be used to make a case or argument against the OCT fire theory, but a building which is also designed differently to the WTC, (this building in Iran!) can now be used to make the case for the OCT fire theory? :shock:

Hypocrisy?

Yes I think so! :doh :lol:
 
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stundie said:
Sorry but I think this highlights the pure dumbness and hypocrisy of pantomime debunking.

I started a thread almost 2 years ago to highlight a common meme from the pantomime debunking community.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...gs-have-collapsed-fires-evidence-w-600-a.html

In debates, it would often be said that the WTC collapsed due to fires and that buildings generally don't tend to survive well in fires. So I opened up this thread with many examples of buildings which were hit by planes and caught fire and other buildings which were just on fire which did not collapse.

I was essentially told that this was unfair and that I shouldn't be using them because they are designed differently to the WTC 1, 2 & 7. Which I agreed to and stated in the OP. We know they are designed differently, so what in the design of the WTC made them collapse because none of the other buildings collapsed.

Over 80 pages, there was nothing other than, they are different, therefore can't be used to show that buildings generally don't collapse from fires. I've never denied that fires couldn't bring down buildings, I just don't believe they are very good at it as the examples I posted show. However.......Fast forward 2 years and we now have a high rise building which appears collapse from fires in Iran.

Even though....We have no reports on how the building was designed, whether it met any kind of building standards or fire codes, whether there was a structural fault or flaw, whether there was other factors and more importantly, no report or investigation as published or written which give us the reasons or answers.

Ironically, this building is ALSO designed totally differently to the WTC, yet it is now accepted as evidence that fires can bring down entire buildings.

So what I would like to know is.....

Why is it that a building which is designed differently to the WTC that didn't collapse, can't be used to make a case or argument against the OCT fire theory, but a building which is also designed differently to the WTC, (this building in Iran!) can now be used to make the case for the OCT fire theory? :shock:

Hypocrisy?

Yes I think so! :doh :lol:
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Excellent points sir! It is a sign of how weak and desperate the "argument" in favor of the OCT is. So it goes with cognitive dissonance.

Pardon my repetition, but I think the most interesting part of this fire in Iran is what DID NOT happen. That is, a complete lack of debris blowing out sideways. Gravity won't make debris blow out sideways. Gravity works in only one direction, downward.

What makes debris blow out sideways is explosive energy, and that is what was present at WTC.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Excellent points sir! It is a sign of how weak and desperate the "argument" in favor of the OCT is. So it goes with cognitive dissonance.

Pardon my repetition, but I think the most interesting part of this fire in Iran is what DID NOT happen. That is, a complete lack of debris blowing out sideways. Gravity won't make debris blow out sideways. Gravity works in only one direction, downward.

What makes debris blow out sideways is explosive energy, and that is what was present at WTC.
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Cognitive dissonance everybody drink!
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Excellent points sir! It is a sign of how weak and desperate the "argument" in favor of the OCT is. So it goes with cognitive dissonance.

Pardon my repetition, but I think the most interesting part of this fire in Iran is what DID NOT happen. That is, a complete lack of debris blowing out sideways. Gravity won't make debris blow out sideways. Gravity works in only one direction, downward.

What makes debris blow out sideways is explosive energy, and that is what was present at WTC.
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So, what, halfway down the tower there were some extra explosives for ****s and giggles? :lamo

Look, if you think in a jumble of falling objects, nothing can gain any lateral momentum, I don't know what to tell you. Grab a pile of legos or something and drop them all in a clump. Do they stay that way?
 
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Deuce said:
So, what, halfway down the tower there were some extra explosives for ****s and giggles? :lamo

Look, if you think in a jumble of falling objects, nothing can gain any lateral momentum, I don't know what to tell you. Grab a pile of legos or something and drop them all in a clump. Do they stay that way?
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No.

 
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zyzygy said:
No.

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GRAVITY ONLY WORKS DOWNWARD.

(and no other forces exist, I guess?)
 
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Deuce said:
GRAVITY ONLY WORKS DOWNWARD.

(and no other forces exist, I guess?)
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No other forces exist in Trutherland.
 
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Deuce said:
So, what, halfway down the tower there were some extra explosives for ****s and giggles? :lamo

Look, if you think in a jumble of falling objects, nothing can gain any lateral momentum, I don't know what to tell you. Grab a pile of legos or something and drop them all in a clump. Do they stay that way?
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Legos? Yeah, maybe Hani was carrying Legos in his pocket for magic powers, eh? :lamo

I took enough physics courses to understand that nothing can gain lateral momentum unless sufficient force is applied to make it move laterally. Gravity applies all its force in only one direction on this planet, downward. Just as the collapse of the Iranian building demonstrates, a natural and gravity driven collapse will move straight down.

As the towers collapse shows, mass will move laterally only when some sort of force is applied to provide the lateral vector. Think vector analysis Deuce. You might find a good simulator to help. ;)
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Legos? Yeah, maybe Hani was carrying Legos in his pocket for magic powers, eh? :lamo

I took enough physics courses to understand that nothing can gain lateral momentum unless sufficient force is applied to make it move laterally. Gravity applies all its force in only one direction on this planet, downward. Just as the collapse of the Iranian building demonstrates, a natural and gravity driven collapse will move straight down.

As the towers collapse shows, mass will move laterally only when some sort of force is applied to provide the lateral vector. Think vector analysis Deuce. You might find a good simulator to help. ;)
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Yes, Thoreau, I'm aware. But you seem to be under the impression that lateral forces cannot be created during a fall.

Did you watch that lego phone case video? the legos went sideways. Do you understand why?

I don't mean to be rude here, but I am utterly baffled that you believe objects cannot possibly get bounced sideways in a chaotic, falling mess.

The force you are failing to account for is called "kinetic energy." It's not magic. All it requires is the least bit of critical thinking.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, Thoreau, I'm aware. But you seem to be under the impression that lateral forces cannot be created during a fall.

Did you watch that lego phone case video? the legos went sideways. Do you understand why?

I don't mean to be rude here, but I am utterly baffled that you believe objects cannot possibly get bounced sideways in a chaotic, falling mess.

The force you are failing to account for is called "kinetic energy." It's not magic. All it requires is the least bit of critical thinking.
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He does do that at all, He prefers to let CT webstites do all the thinking for him. That is why he cannot answer simple questions, the sites he goes to dont provide him with any.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, Thoreau, I'm aware. But you seem to be under the impression that lateral forces cannot be created during a fall.

Did you watch that lego phone case video? the legos went sideways. Do you understand why?

I don't mean to be rude here, but I am utterly baffled that you believe objects cannot possibly get bounced sideways in a chaotic, falling mess.

The force you are failing to account for is called "kinetic energy." It's not magic. All it requires is the least bit of critical thinking.
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To be clear Deuce, yes I understand that random and chaotic collisions can result in sideways motion, but it is small, depending upon each given situation.

What cannot happen is that when those Legos are collapsing at free fall velocities, with nothing to provide a solid anvil-like base, some measure of significant resistance, the Legos cannot be propelled at speeds reaching 60 mph with sufficient energy to impale on adjacent buildings. What cannot happen with random and chaotic minor collisions is a nearly perfectly symmetrical pattern of lateral ejection of debris as is the case with WTC.

In the case of this Iranian building in its collapse, precious little if anything at all was ejected laterally. Nothing even 1 % of what was seen at WTC. And the reason for that is simple--the Iranian collapse was truly a natural event. Contrast with the WTC event which was, just as 2500 architects and engineers have been pointing out for years now, just as anybody with a teaspoon of common sense and honesty, just as both Peter Jennings and Dan Rather commented on appearances, a controlled demolition.

Yes Deuce, I know--the truth can be most unpleasant when one suffers from cognitive dissonance.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
To be clear Deuce, yes I understand that random and chaotic collisions can result in sideways motion, but it is small, depending upon each given situation.

What cannot happen is that when those Legos are collapsing at free fall velocities, with nothing to provide a solid anvil-like base, some measure of significant resistance, the Legos cannot be propelled at speeds reaching 60 mph with sufficient energy to impale on adjacent buildings. What cannot happen with random and chaotic minor collisions is a nearly perfectly symmetrical pattern of lateral ejection of debris as is the case with WTC.

In the case of this Iranian building in its collapse, precious little if anything at all was ejected laterally. Nothing even 1 % of what was seen at WTC. And the reason for that is simple--the Iranian collapse was truly a natural event. Contrast with the WTC event which was, just as 2500 architects and engineers have been pointing out for years now, just as anybody with a teaspoon of common sense and honesty, just as both Peter Jennings and Dan Rather commented on appearances, a controlled demolition.

Yes Deuce, I know--the truth can be most unpleasant when one suffers from cognitive dissonance.
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You know as little about physics as you do about aviation
 
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Thoreau72 said:
To be clear Deuce, yes I understand that random and chaotic collisions can result in sideways motion, but it is small, depending upon each given situation.

What cannot happen is that when those Legos are collapsing at free fall velocities, with nothing to provide a solid anvil-like base, some measure of significant resistance, the Legos cannot be propelled at speeds reaching 60 mph with sufficient energy to impale on adjacent buildings. What cannot happen with random and chaotic minor collisions is a nearly perfectly symmetrical pattern of lateral ejection of debris as is the case with WTC.

In the case of this Iranian building in its collapse, precious little if anything at all was ejected laterally. Nothing even 1 % of what was seen at WTC. And the reason for that is simple--the Iranian collapse was truly a natural event. Contrast with the WTC event which was, just as 2500 architects and engineers have been pointing out for years now, just as anybody with a teaspoon of common sense and honesty, just as both Peter Jennings and Dan Rather commented on appearances, a controlled demolition.

Yes Deuce, I know--the truth can be most unpleasant when one suffers from cognitive dissonance.
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Now it's "perfectly symmetrical" :lamo

You're using the phrase "cognitive dissonance" wrong.

The Iranian collapse was a smaller structure. Kinetic energy of the falling material would be orders of magnitude less. Anyone with a teaspoon of common sense would realize that lateral forces orders of magnitude higher are therefore possible.
 
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Deuce said:
Now it's "perfectly symmetrical" :lamo

You're using the phrase "cognitive dissonance" wrong.

The Iranian collapse was a smaller structure. Kinetic energy of the falling material would be orders of magnitude less. Anyone with a teaspoon of common sense would realize that lateral forces orders of magnitude higher are therefore possible.
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As to the size of the Iranian structure compared to WTC, you're stating the obvious. Should I be thankful for that?

The beautiful irony here is that the OP started this thinking it would somehow bolster the official story, or at least make "troofers" look bad. In reality it is very much the opposite. The Iranian collapse clearly shows precious little, if any at all, horizontal displacement, a true natural collapse. It is in stark contrast to the WTC event in which massive pieces were blown hundreds of feet sideways thanks to explosives.
As to cognitive dissonance, I'm using the term properly. It describes a person ignoring or denying facts because those facts and their implications threaten the person's worldview. It is an involuntary defense mechanism. I know because I've experienced it myself.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
As to the size of the Iranian structure compared to WTC, you're stating the obvious. Should I be thankful for that?

The beautiful irony here is that the OP started this thinking it would somehow bolster the official story, or at least make "troofers" look bad. In reality it is very much the opposite. The Iranian collapse clearly shows precious little, if any at all, horizontal displacement, a true natural collapse. It is in stark contrast to the WTC event in which massive pieces were blown hundreds of feet sideways thanks to explosives.
As to cognitive dissonance, I'm using the term properly. It describes a person ignoring or denying facts because those facts and their implications threaten the person's worldview. It is an involuntary defense mechanism. I know because I've experienced it myself.
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So now we're just pretending the whole "fire can't make steel collapse" argument never existed :lamo

And no, that's not what cognitive dissonance is.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
As to the size of the Iranian structure compared to WTC, you're stating the obvious. Should I be thankful for that?

The beautiful irony here is that the OP started this thinking it would somehow bolster the official story, or at least make "troofers" look bad. In reality it is very much the opposite. The Iranian collapse clearly shows precious little, if any at all, horizontal displacement, a true natural collapse. It is in stark contrast to the WTC event in which massive pieces were blown hundreds of feet sideways thanks to explosives.
As to cognitive dissonance, I'm using the term properly. It describes a person ignoring or denying facts because those facts and their implications threaten the person's worldview. It is an involuntary defense mechanism. I know because I've experienced it myself.
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That is not cognitive dissonance.
 
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