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Is Jill Stein trying to get Hillary elected?

Is Jill Stein collaborating with the democrats to get Hillary elected?

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During the election season, like all third party candidates, Jill Stein got very little attention from the media during election season. On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
 
No, she is trying to get her 15 minutes of fame, which she thinks she got robbed of because TRUMP sucked all the oxygen out of the national conversation.

I am HAWkEYE10, and that's my call.

SERIOUSLY.

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I think she's possibly trying to mess with the electoral college by demanding recounts just 2 weeks before they vote. She's also a dishonest snake woman only going after Trump states and partnering with the Clinton camp. Didn't she run against her and publicly denounce her as unfit for president?
 
Masterhawk said:
During the election season, like all third party candidates, Jill Stein got very little attention from the media during election season. On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
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Is Jill Stein collaborating with the democrats to get Hillary elected?

Do you really think she can do it?

This would be such good news.
 
digsbe said:
I think she's possibly trying to mess with the electoral college by demanding recounts just 2 weeks before they vote. She's also a dishonest snake woman only going after Trump states and partnering with the Clinton camp. Didn't she run against her and publicly denounce her as unfit for president?
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Pretty much. I would love if she could be charged for trying to mess with the election, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a law against what she is doing even if there is clear malice in her intent.
 
Exquisitor said:
Is Jill Stein collaborating with the democrats to get Hillary elected?

Do you really think she can do it?

This would be such good news.
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It's pretty obvious that Hillary was behind this whole recount thing from the start at this point. News is she started to work on ways to still win the election the day after she lost.
 
Masterhawk said:
...On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
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I believe that's her goal.

There is no other reason for a third party candidate who got the lowest vote out of the four "main" contenders, who has no chance of winning even a single EC vote, who literally has no dog in this fight, to ask for this recount.

There is no way that an over 70,000 vote margin in Pennsylvania will be modified by a recount to the benefit of anyone other that Trump.

IMO this is why she didn't file the recount timely in PA when she clearly had the funds required and knew the timeline; because now she can raise a legal challenge in hopes of preventing a valid certification of those PA electors in time for the Congressional count.

In that way all it would take is one Congressman and one Senator to object to the Elector certification of all three states bringing Trump below the 270 needed to be confirmed by Congress.

I don't know why they think this would result in Hillary (or anyone else) being elected...unless they have a plan to use some certified but unfaithful electors to vote for another candidate giving Congress a third choice to elect.

That way the Old Guard Republicans can try to replace Trump, and the Democrats can either go along...or vote solidly for Hillary and get her elected after splitting the Republican votes.

Kind of Machiavellian...but in this electoral clime anything, even the improbable can seem possible to those who oppose Trump's inauguration.

:alert Caution! If this actually happens, then the repercussions might be more disastrous to our national unity than anything seen since the Civil War. :twocents:
 
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Henrin said:
It's pretty obvious that Hillary was behind this whole recount thing from the start at this point. News is she started to work on ways to still win the election the day after she lost.
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Not if you consider that trump will now prosecute her.

Or that no one has proven what you said is news .
 
Masterhawk said:
During the election season, like all third party candidates, Jill Stein got very little attention from the media during election season. On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
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Nope. Stein was critical of Hillary for joining the recount:

Why would Hillary Clinton—who conceded the election to Donald Trump—want #Recount2016? You cannot be on-again, off-again about democracy.
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Masterhawk said:
During the election season, like all third party candidates, Jill Stein got very little attention from the media during election season. On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
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It's all about Stein money and getting her more national press.
 
digsbe said:
I think she's possibly trying to mess with the electoral college by demanding recounts just 2 weeks before they vote. She's also a dishonest snake woman only going after Trump states and partnering with the Clinton camp. Didn't she run against her and publicly denounce her as unfit for president?
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I have been saying this for a while as it made no sense as to why she would ask for a recount.

Then I saw an article saying that if the recount didn't get done in time that the votes wouldn't count.

This was proven today when WI rejected her request for a hand count of votes and she is suing.
Of course now she has to present evidence in court about non-existent hacking claims.

Worse they are calling it cyber hacking when the machines are not even connected to the internet.

She didn't turn her request in on time in PA which is a nightmare to get a recount in anyway,and she is suing there.

None of her suits will be in time or they will be rejected due to lack of evidence.
 
ludin said:
I have been saying this for a while as it made no sense as to why she would ask for a recount.

Then I saw an article saying that if the recount didn't get done in time that the votes wouldn't count.

This was proven today when WI rejected her request for a hand count of votes and she is suing.
Of course now she has to present evidence in court about non-existent hacking claims.

Worse they are calling it cyber hacking when the machines are not even connected to the internet.

She didn't turn her request in on time in PA which is a nightmare to get a recount in anyway,and she is suing there.

None of her suits will be in time or they will be rejected due to lack of evidence.
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The timing makes me think the Dems are using her as a surrogate to mess with the electoral college. Why bring these concerns up 3 weeks after the election and very close to when the electors cast their ballots? It's despicable. If it had anything to do with "election integrity" as she wants to say she'd go after Clinton states where she won by a small margin.
 
digsbe said:
The timing makes me think the Dems are using her as a surrogate to mess with the electoral college. Why bring these concerns up 3 weeks after the election and very close to when the electors cast their ballots? It's despicable. If it had anything to do with "election integrity" as she wants to say she'd go after Clinton states where she won by a small margin.
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I agree she would file in states like nh.

Only about 400 votes there or so.
It is close enough to the vote that it really is
Suspicious the fact she is only targeting trump states
Confirms it.

The fact she wants hand counts makes even more dubious.
 
ludin said:
I agree she would file in states like nh.

Only about 400 votes there or so.
It is close enough to the vote that it really is
Suspicious the fact she is only targeting trump states
Confirms it.

The fact she wants hand counts makes even more dubious.
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It's all about delaying things beyond the deadline in my opinion, forcing the electoral college to have some kind of conundrum. It exposes the complete hypocrisy of the Democrat party shaming everyone and saying "we must accept the outcome of the election" while now trying to undermine how our democratic system works by attempting to mess with the electoral college and have delegates go while their state votes are still being contested. Personally, it infuriates me and blatantly exposes the Democrat party for what it is, a party of crooked people that love to play identity politics and live on hypocrisy. Unless they change I don't think I'll ever be willing to vote for a Democrat again (and I did this election for my state government rep).
 
ludin said:
I have been saying this for a while as it made no sense as to why she would ask for a recount.

Then I saw an article saying that if the recount didn't get done in time that the votes wouldn't count.

This was proven today when WI rejected her request for a hand count of votes and she is suing.
Of course now she has to present evidence in court about non-existent hacking claims.

Worse they are calling it cyber hacking when the machines are not even connected to the internet.

She didn't turn her request in on time in PA which is a nightmare to get a recount in anyway,and she is suing there.

None of her suits will be in time or they will be rejected due to lack of evidence.
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The last thing I want is stein associated with the DEMs.

She proved what a dishonest snake woman she was BEFORE the election.

She can't stop the House from electing trump .
 
NIMBY said:
The last thing I want is stein associated with the DEMs.

She proved what a dishonest snake woman she was BEFORE the election.

She can't stop the House from electing trump .
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She can't, but what it will do is give Dems some fuel to try and say that Trump "stole" the election or is an illegitimate president.
 
digsbe said:
She can't, but what it will do is give Dems some fuel to try and say that Trump "stole" the election or is an illegitimate president.
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Trump leads THE REBELLION.

The elite ran the election.

1 + 1 = 2
 
digsbe said:
She can't, but what it will do is give Dems some fuel to try and say that Trump "stole" the election or is an illegitimate president.
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Not any DEMs I associate with though the party is completely disorganized and in the minority at all levels.

Only trump can help the DEMs in 2018, but I don't expect Pence/Priebus and Ryan/McConnell to allow that .
 
Captain Adverse said:
:alert Caution! If this actually happens, then the repercussions might be more disastrous to our national unity than anything seen since the Civil War. :twocents:
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...and it very may well be the cause of another one. It would be much less violent, but I can visualize more than a few states exiting the union and forming their own country running right down the middle, with the East & West coast forming their own countries like East and West Pakistan.

The "West Coast Enlightenment" would consist of CA, OR, WA, & NV
The "Northeast Alliance" would consist of NY, MD, MA, CT, RI, & VT.

ME, NH, & DE would form some economic pact together, and have never liked "those other states" in the first place.

The hippies in CO would flee for their lives and run back to CA from whence they came.
 
NIMBY said:
The last thing I want is stein associated with the DEMs.

She proved what a dishonest snake woman she was BEFORE the election.

She can't stop the House from electing trump .
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It goes beyond that. Once it goes to the house the house has free reign.
They can elect whoever they want. It doesn't have to be one of the nominees.

The problem is now she is associated with them because clinton stupidity her nose in it.
She gave legitimacy to this.

Obama actually did something correct and poured cold water all over it.
Clinton should have done the same in order to do the same.

She didn't.
 
ludin said:
It goes beyond that. Once it goes to the house the house has free reign.
They can elect whoever they want. It doesn't have to be one of the nominees.

The problem is now she is associated with them because clinton stupidity her nose in it.
She gave legitimacy to this.

Obama actually did something correct and poured cold water all over it.
Clinton should have done the same in order to do the same.

She didn't.
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Clinton should hang stein out to dry as stein did to Clinton before the election.

In spite of knowing trump was already suing in NV before the election, and that trump would not have conceded if he lost--his words, DEMs are gonna have to let this go .
 
NIMBY said:
Clinton should hang stein out to dry as stein did to Clinton before the election.

In spite of knowing trump was already suing in NV before the election, and that trump would not have conceded if he lost--his words, DEMs are gonna have to let this go .
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Maybe next time they should put up a more likable candidate that isn't so radical and less corrupt.
 
ludin said:
Maybe next time they should put up a more likable candidate that isn't so radical and less corrupt.
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trump's election was a perfect storm and we're currently in the eye of the storm.

You listed 3 reasons that I could adjust; but I could you a dozen more why she lost .
 
NIMBY said:
trump's election was a perfect storm and we're currently in the eye of the storm.

You listed 3 reasons that I could adjust; but I could you a dozen more why she lost .
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That is the tip of the ice burg. Th blue collar guys that made democrats so popular have been replaced by the
Left wing nut job.

Hence why I will probably never vote democrat.
I did when I was younger on the state level because I knew the congressmen personally.
He was level headed and a great guy.
 
Masterhawk said:
During the election season, like all third party candidates, Jill Stein got very little attention from the media during election season. On November 25 however, she demanded a recount from the three rust belt states which helped Trump win. She has gotten more than twice as much campaign funds for the recount as for her entire campaign. During the election, she painted both Trump and Hillary as equally bad but now, she seems to be advocating Clinton as the lesser of two evils.
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She is a schill for hillary who needed a front person for her hail mary
 
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