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I smell a false flag on the horizon.....

mbig said:
You next post better be ON TOPIC, not on my non-existant religion.
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I don't care about your religion other than trying to figure out why you support the attack on our sailors. Many of them were killed and horribly burned. So I clicked on your website and found it to be interestingly anti-Muslim. So, I found an agenda.

And your style of "debating" (not that you're debating), is to just say GIVE ME ANY EVIDENCE!! And then when I do, you just say, I'M STILL WAITING FOR EVIDENCE!

You don't care what the Secretary of State said. Or the NSA that intercepted the pilots' transmissions. Or White House staff. You just keep saying I'm not providing evidence, and I have. You're unreachable and incomprehensive which made me curious as to your mindset. Your link to your anti-Islam site shows why.
 
Brewdog said:
I don't care about your religion other than trying to figure out why you support the attack on our sailors. Many of them were killed and horribly burned. So I clicked on your website and found it to be interestingly anti-Muslim. So, I found an agenda.
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I did NOT "support the attack on our sailors"
I explained why and how it happened, and you could NOT answer.
You got creamed.
Thus you continue to press the "Jooo" charge.

Brewdog said:
And your style of "debating" (not that you're debating), is to just say GIVE ME ANY EVIDENCE!! And then when I do, you just say, I'M STILL WAITING FOR EVIDENCE!
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You got refuted on Every Point. So you just spam up some Other part of the attack after getting busted on the last,.
Unable to press on.

Brewdog said:
You don't care what the Secretary of State said. Or the NSA that intercepted the pilot's transmissions. Or White House staff. You just keep saying I'm not providing evidence, and I have. You're unreachable and incomprehensive which made me curious as to your mindset. Your link to your anti-Islam site shows why.
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You did not answer ANYTHING I posted.
I busted you on EVERY Point, including MY quoting the account of the Captain of the Liberty.

And again, assuming anyone who has an anti-Islam site in his avatar is a Jooo is Ridiculous. Most of the anti-Muslims Here and elsewhere are Not Joos, they're righty (and right) Christians
ALL your posts were refuted.
You were unable to press on with any specific line.
I busted them all.
Oh: I've cited the exculpatory NSA releases many times on this board.

We've discussed the Liberty many times here. (Search!) Most with better opposition than you.
They lost too.

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NOTE Below Brewdog:
After LOSING every point... tried the"Deny you're a JOOOO" attack.
Short-quoting my meaty posts more severely each time, until Nothing below.
 
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So essentially your every argument is that "I win and you lose and I cleaned your clock. MY evidence matters and I don't care about anything else. I WIN!"

Ok. That's a very strong debating technique, to just declare yourself the winner IN EVERY POST.

Remember when I said you were unreachable and incomprehensive? I think I was a bit light with those remarks.
 
Simpleχity;1066434028 said:
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We can always count on you to leave no conspiracy-stone unturned.
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Just as we can count on you to present the most recent Pentagon propaganda efforts.
 
JumpinJack said:
The economy's doing fine. The unemployment rate is a bellweather (not car sales). The housing market is also important. But follow the unemployment rate to know how the economy is doing. It could be doing better, but it's doing fine.
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The unemployment rate is a lie. How can you have 5% unemployment with a 65% employment participation rate. The economy is rolling over and will crash within the next year.
 
mbig said:
FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on LIBERTY on
8 June was in fact a case of Mistaken identity.
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Hold on here .. let's do some reference checks

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry - Kangaroo Court

Isaac C Kidd - Liar
Rear Admiral , U.S. Navy
President

Bernard J Lauff - Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
member

Bert S Atkinson , Jr. Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
member

Ward Boston, Jr. - Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
Counsel for the Court

Please direct further questions to the Pentagon or other State Propaganda Apparatus and/or Ministry of Truth.
 
thinkagain said:
Hold on here .. let's do some reference checks

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry - Kangaroo Court

Isaac C Kidd - Liar
Rear Admiral , U.S. Navy
President

Bernard J Lauff - Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
member

Bert S Atkinson , Jr. Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
member

Ward Boston, Jr. - Liar
Captain, U.S. Navy
Counsel for the Court

Please direct further questions to the Pentagon or other State Propaganda Apparatus and/or Ministry of Truth.
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And uh.... what is YOUR reference for these "Liar" charges? You?
 
mbig said:
And uh.... what is YOUR reference for these "Liar" charges? You?
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If you have yet to realize that the State Dep't, Pentagon, NSA, DOD and every other related Gov't org is a lying, truth distorting, misrepresenting, transparency lacking propaganda machine ...


Then you need to wake up. There are too many examples but, here are a few.

Head of NSA lies to congress about illegal spying activities and gets caught. Not only does the dude not get punished (perjury much?) he keeps his job.

Jessica lynch story (rescue during Iraq war) was a propaganda lie - as per testimony of Jessica herself before congress.

Pat Tillman - Football Player goes to Iraq after 911 ... American hero killed by enemy fire ... "or not". Just a bunch of the usual US military lies and propaganda. Tillman was killed by friendly fire - as per testimony of his brother before congress.

(The reason I bring up the small issues is because ... if one is willing to lie face off about the small stuff ... what about the big stuff)

Now on to some larger issues. The war I Iraq was based on lies, misrepresentation and falsehood.... the plan to trick the US citizens into supporting the war aided and abetted by the US intelligence departments.

Currently we have the "Moderate Rebel Lie" That the people we have been supporting in Syria are "Moderates" when in reality this is just a cover up for the fact that we have been arming and supporting (in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and others) extremist Islamist Jihadists such as Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Salafists, Islamic Front and others of the same ilk.

The moderate Muslims are those who are fighting for Assad. Assad's regime was secular .. no sharia.. freedom of religion... drinking alcohol and dancing in clubs, women wearing skirts and proper bathing suits and driving cars, no need to get permission from a man to be educated. No need to wear headgear, freedom of religion, no stoning/killing people for apostasy (switching religion) adultery or being gay. Christian Churches and freedom of religious expression - Assad had Christian Generals in his army... and so on.

Compare to Saud (totalitarian strict sharia theocracy with sharia police running around watching every behavior ... worse than Hitler's Germany sans the Jew killing .... cause there are no Jews allowed. Instead they execute teenagers for asking for more religious freedom (Muslims ... just the wrong kind), women for adultery (even if raped). Children are educated (its right in the textbook/curriculum) to hate Christians and Jews.

Saud has been supporting and exporting its extremist version of militant Salafi Islam all over the world.

Taliban, Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, ISIS, Salafi and the other Syrian rebel groups, Boko Haram, Al Shaabab , various group in Pakistan and india and numerous other nations ALL follow the same Saudi inspired brand of extremist militant Islamist Jihadism.

"Islamist" means someone who hates individual rights and freedoms (liberty)/Secularism and want Strict Sharia/Theocracy to be the law of the land/political system.

This is the call to Jihad in Syria. While there are different rebel groups and sometimes they fight among each other for power .. they all share the same Saudi inspired extremist Islamist ideology. They hate secularism and want strict sharia to be the law of the land.

These are the people we are arming and supporting. Al Qaeda - Al Nusra, Islamic Front ... groups with names like Martyrs Brigade and so on.

In late 2011 when armed insurrection started... the rebels - armed by various nation states rapidly took over most of Syria. It was from these groups that decided to form a Caliphate (Islamic State (IS) - ISIS). This group then moved into Iraq.

It was arming of these extremist Islamists that caused the worst humanitarian crisis so far this decade, the refugee crisis (most of which are Islamists) and the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS.

Feel free to ask for evidence. It is not like this is some big secret (except to those who only get their news from the lying mainstream media which is part of the propaganda machine)
 
jdog said:
The unemployment rate is a lie. How can you have 5% unemployment with a 65% employment participation rate. The economy is rolling over and will crash within the next year.
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The unemployment rate numbers come from the federal government which makes them suspect. Best to ignore what the government says and pay attention to what it does.
 
jdog said:
The unemployment rate is a lie. How can you have 5% unemployment with a 65% employment participation rate. The economy is rolling over and will crash within the next year.
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I assume you meant labor force participation rate (62.8%) and not employment-population ratio (59.7%)
But I'm not sure what you think the problem is. Why do you think we couldn't have 5% UE rate with a 65% participation rate?
 
jdog said:
The unemployment rate is a lie. How can you have 5% unemployment with a 65% employment participation rate. The economy is rolling over and will crash within the next year.
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I don't know about the the second sentence...not sure about that relationship.

But I have long said the U-3 is a joke as the official unemployment rate. Even the Fed knows it as they no longer use it as a major employment statistic.

I mean, what kind of a useless unemployment statistic excludes people who have no job, are desperate for work and are available immediately for work...just because they have given up actively looking for work? How many years are they supposed to look for work, even if there are no jobs?

As I have often said, the U-3 is such a pathetic and stupid employment marker that if only one American had a job and 200 million Americans wanted work, were available to work but had given up looking for work because there were no other jobs available...that the official U-3 rate would be 0.0%.
Stupid in the extremis.

And yet the pathetic BLS trundles out this moronic U-3 as America's official measure of unemployment.

Either they are dumb as posts and/or they know the U-3 is a joke but defend it anyway...in which case they are (IMO) guilty of deliberately misinforming and misleading the public.
 
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fmw said:
The unemployment rate numbers come from the federal government which makes them suspect. Best to ignore what the government says and pay attention to what it does.
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I agree 100%.
 
DA60 said:
I agree 100%.
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Best make sure that government officials are transparent and mercilessly punished, when they lie to the citizens. it is fraud, after all.
 
DA60 said:
But I have long said the U-3 is a joke as the official unemployment rate. Even the Fed knows it as they no longer use it as a major employment statistic.
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That is untrue. The Fed regularly cites the U-3 as the unemployment rate and has never questioned its reliability.


I mean, what kind of a useless unemployment statistic excludes people who have no job, are desperate for work and are available immediately for work...just because they have given up actively looking for work?
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If there are 100 people who were not working, could work, and want work, but only 80 people are looking for work, and there are 90 jobs available how many people!e vwill get hired? 80. Meaning 20 people aren't working and 10 available jobs unfilled.
Your method would make it look !ike the economy was short 20 jobs, when really everyone who tried to get a job was hired and 10 jobs are unfilled.

How many years are they supposed to look for work, even if there are no jobs?
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How will they know if there are or are not jobs if they don't look?

Seriously: you are claiming that if someone does not apply for a job and doesn't get hired, then that's a sign of job shortage. That's ridiculous.
 
CPI and employment numbers have been purposely misleading for decades, at least since Jimmy Carter. For the average person, they mean nothing but a demonstration of misleading government pronouncements.
 
Thoreau72 said:
CPI and employment numbers have been purposely misleading for decades, at least since Jimmy Carter. For the average person, they mean nothing but a demonstration of misleading government pronouncements.
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And your evidence is....?
 
Thoreau72 said:
CPI and employment numbers have been purposely misleading for decades, at least since Jimmy Carter. For the average person, they mean nothing but a demonstration of misleading government pronouncements.
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Agreed.

CPI is even worse then U-3 because it actually costs poor Americans lots of money.

The CPI is the basis for raising Social Security benefits.

So the government deliberately reduced the CPI-W which deliberately reduces the yearly increases in social security...which is horrible.
People - many of whom can no longer work and desperately need the money from SS - are deliberately denied the yearly cost-of-living raises they need so much.

And who produces this number? Once again...the BLS - the government's principle data manipulation department.
 
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jdog said:
With the economy rolling over, and the tensions in the world being heightened every day, it appears as if the government would have the perfect excuse to launch one of their infamous false flags to blame the implosion of the stock market and the subsequent recession on.

Perhaps they will have the Saudi's repaint a few of their jets and attack one of our ships in the gulf in a repeat of the Liberty incident, in which they tried to go to war against Egypt under false pretense.

Perhaps it will be something more sinister like operation Northwoods.

They are already trying to raise hostility with Russia over alleged cyber attacks.

What ever it is, it will need to happen fairly soon as the economy is basically on life support with car sales falling along with restaurant sales, two signs that nearly always tell us recession is fast approaching....
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The economy is rolling over or on life support? What planet do you live on? Where in the world do you get your information?
 
Thoreau72 said:
More than 40 years on this planet, reading government propaganda.
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OK, so let's compare with nongovernmental numbers.
In the graph below, the blue line is from private payroll company ADP. The red line is the official government number from BLS. IF, as you claim, the rec line is only propaganda, then why does it match up so well with ADP's numbers?

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pinqy said:
OK, so let's compare with nongovernmental numbers.
In the graph below, the blue line is from private payroll company ADP. The red line is the official government number from BLS. IF, as you claim, the rec line is only propaganda, then why does it match up so well with ADP's numbers?

fredgraph.png
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There is evidence and there are conspiracy theorists. Never shall the twain meet.
 
joG said:
Best make sure that government officials are transparent and mercilessly punished, when they lie to the citizens. it is fraud, after all.
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Not in government. In government it is just politics. If you punished government liars mercilessly there wouldn't be any government left.
 
pinqy said:
I assume you meant labor force participation rate (62.8%) and not employment-population ratio (59.7%)
But I'm not sure what you think the problem is. Why do you think we couldn't have 5% UE rate with a 65% participation rate?
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You can if you drink the government Koolaid and believe that 40% of the working age population do not want a job....... But then you would need to believe in rainbow farting unicorns as well......
 
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