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Was there not some legislative element in place to bar a president from "executive-ordering" the Constitution away? I'm pretty sure there is and it's just not being enforced. A president by himself doesn't have that power. Oh, don't worry though, it could only be suspended only in a state of emergency or during peacetime. Really? So basically anytime the president wants. How does this sht fly? I don't get why nobody says anything about these illegal executive orders.
 
Mind giving more context? You talking about Bush? Obama? Clinton? Bush Sr? What? Who? How?
 
Was there not some legislative element in place to bar a president from "executive-ordering" the Constitution away? I'm pretty sure there is and it's just not being enforced. A president by himself doesn't have that power. Oh, don't worry though, it could only be suspended only in a state of emergency or during peacetime. Really? So basically anytime the president wants. How does this sht fly? I don't get why nobody says anything about these illegal executive orders.

You mean Presidential Directive 51, the directive that gives the President the ability to - under special circumstances - overthrow the U.S. government?
 
You mean Presidential Directive 51, the directive that gives the President the ability to - under special circumstances - overthrow the U.S. government?

COG (continuity of government) has been a classified part of our government's powers since WWII. It's still classified. What little that Wiki or anyone else not part of COG feels they know is not even the outer shell.

However, it's not the boogieman that it's made out to be by the unknowing and/or the CTers.
 
You mean Presidential Directive 51, the directive that gives the President the ability to - under special circumstances - overthrow the U.S. government?

Nope. This directive goes into effect in the event of a catastrophic emergency that renders the regular government unable to function like an attack on DC that kills most officials. Such contingency plans have been in effect for the last 60 years. Bush is the only president who made at least part of them public. Most of the plan involves martial law and the military running essential services, and it assumes wartime presidential authority, which is practically boundless per the Constitution.

Where the President exceeds his authority in ordinary matters he can be reined in as he was with Obamacare payments to insurance companies.
 
Dont make me keep defending Obama...

Look...its pretty well understood that the president has the authority to write EOs. Its also very clearly understood that EOs pertain solely to the execution of existing law and cannot impose anything GREATER than what the existing law allows in said enforcement. Period. End of sentence.

Obama is many things. He is not stupid. OK...sometimes he is but he's not THAT stupid. After this election he will take his ball and go home. Unless of course Hillary is elected at which point he may very well be appointed to the UN.
 
Was there not some legislative element in place to bar a president from "executive-ordering" the Constitution away? I'm pretty sure there is and it's just not being enforced. A president by himself doesn't have that power. Oh, don't worry though, it could only be suspended only in a state of emergency or during peacetime. Really? So basically anytime the president wants. How does this sht fly? I don't get why nobody says anything about these illegal executive orders.

Well, George Washington issued the first one, having to do with ordering the country to maintain a neutral stance with respect to the war between Britain and France, so he and his guys would have known for sure if it was illegal, and apparently it isn't, so all others have followed along.
 
More Generalissimo Obummer delusions?

Ronald Reagan singed off more of them than Obama, so wouldn't that mean that Reagan was The King? Absolute monarch - right?
 
Ronald Reagan singed off more of them than Obama, so wouldn't that mean that Reagan was The King? Absolute monarch - right?

It's not the number of EO's that concerns most people. Actually, the number of EO's is meaningless.
 
Ronald Reagan singed off more of them than Obama, so wouldn't that mean that Reagan was The King? Absolute monarch - right?

He's a step under God according to what I've heard from the right.

FDR issued over 3,500. Do try to keep your RDS under control.

What does that have to do with old man Reagan using more than Obama?
 
FDR issued over 3,500. Do try to keep your RDS under control.

Well FDR only had to deal with the great depression and the possible extermination of the country in WWII, so there was no big deal. He just got bored.

Do read up on American history if you get the chance; it'll help. Thomas Jefferson signed a few as well.

Reagan signed many more than Obama, so that's the point.
 
Useless thread is useless.

The number of executive orders by every U.S. president | The Daily Dot

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Was there not some legislative element in place to bar a president from "executive-ordering" the Constitution away? I'm pretty sure there is and it's just not being enforced. A president by himself doesn't have that power. Oh, don't worry though, it could only be suspended only in a state of emergency or during peacetime. Really? So basically anytime the president wants. How does this sht fly? I don't get why nobody says anything about these illegal executive orders.
What exactly are you talking about?

I was not aware that any illegal executive orders were issued by presidents recently - in fact I had the impression that Pres. Obama was checking with a large team of lawyers specifically to avoid anything of the sort every time he issued an EO.

I'm not sure about Bush Jr. though, I wasn't paying as much attention to politics then.
 
Mind giving more context? You talking about Bush? Obama? Clinton? Bush Sr? What? Who? How?

On January 11, 2010, President Obama signed Executive Order (EO) 13528 (PDF) — right after the over-hyped Flight 253 ‘terrorist’ attack, the fraudulently engineered Swine Flu pandemic and a few other man-made disasters — that, among other things, establishes a Council of Governors, chosen by the President who, as noted by the Intel Daily, will rubber-stamp long-sought-after Pentagon contingency plans to seize control of state National Guard forces in the event of a ‘National Emergency.’

Executive Orders are orders given by the President that are generally used to direct Federal Agencies and officials in their execution of laws or policies established by Congress. In many instances, especially during this past decade, Executive Orders have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to Congressional intent. Executive Orders are controversial since they are sometimes used to make law without the consent of Congress. It’s time for a closer look at EOs & Directives and it’s time to fix the intentional, oft illegal, subversion of laws.

In keeping with tradition, no mention was made in the corporate media of President Obama’s EO 13528 that egregiously subverts the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. A White House Press Release claims the ten member, bipartisan Council was created ‘to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards.’

Once appointed, according to the White House Press Release, the council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of various States; Homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

Synchronizing and integrating state National Guard units with those of the Armed Forces would place them under the control of the United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) that was egregiously created in 2002, allegedly to help fight the ‘War on Terror’ — one of the largest acts of treason ever perpetrated against U.S. citizens by its Government.


SOURCE: https://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/20...er-13528-and-the-posse-comitatus-act-of-1878/
 
An executive order is on dubious ground if it’s incompatible with the express or implied will of Congress. Many of Obama's EO's are far overreaching and could even be considered (or actually ARE) treasonous. There should be deep concern, not scoffing.
 
An executive order is on dubious ground if it’s incompatible with the express or implied will of Congress. Many of Obama's EO's are far overreaching and could even be considered (or actually ARE) treasonous. There should be deep concern, not scoffing.

Treasonous? Where is your proof? Watch what you say. Obviously you will vote for Trump who is far more a potential traitor if he is not already there. He has a good business relationship with the enemy. That will make him a security risk not to mention conflict of interests. Will you be comfortable voting for this guy? Have you wondered why Putin is the only person he has not insulted? Are you aware that the Russians have a keen interest in the election? Or do you care?
 
Moderator's Warning:
Thread based on a blog that's talking about Obama taking over the government. Pure CT. Moved to appropriate location.
 
On January 11, 2010, President Obama signed Executive Order (EO) 13528 (PDF) — right after the over-hyped Flight 253 ‘terrorist’ attack, the fraudulently engineered Swine Flu pandemic and a few other man-made disasters — that, among other things, establishes a Council of Governors, chosen by the President who, as noted by the Intel Daily, will rubber-stamp long-sought-after Pentagon contingency plans to seize control of state National Guard forces in the event of a ‘National Emergency.’

Executive Orders are orders given by the President that are generally used to direct Federal Agencies and officials in their execution of laws or policies established by Congress. In many instances, especially during this past decade, Executive Orders have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to Congressional intent. Executive Orders are controversial since they are sometimes used to make law without the consent of Congress. It’s time for a closer look at EOs & Directives and it’s time to fix the intentional, oft illegal, subversion of laws.

In keeping with tradition, no mention was made in the corporate media of President Obama’s EO 13528 that egregiously subverts the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. A White House Press Release claims the ten member, bipartisan Council was created ‘to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards.’

Once appointed, according to the White House Press Release, the council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of various States; Homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

Synchronizing and integrating state National Guard units with those of the Armed Forces would place them under the control of the United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) that was egregiously created in 2002, allegedly to help fight the ‘War on Terror’ — one of the largest acts of treason ever perpetrated against U.S. citizens by its Government.


SOURCE: https://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/20...er-13528-and-the-posse-comitatus-act-of-1878/

Well, that's a reliable source.
 
Well FDR only had to deal with the great depression and the possible extermination of the country in WWII, so there was no big deal. He just got bored.

Do read up on American history if you get the chance; it'll help. Thomas Jefferson signed a few as well.

Reagan signed many more than Obama, so that's the point.

LOL

So I prove your claim was BS, and you advise me to read up on history?

So, here's a question Professor jet57, what about content of these orders?

Between the two, who has issued more restrictive and impactful EO's?
 
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