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Michelle Obama Knows Obama Was Born In Kenya - HER OWN WORDS!!!

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Why are you presenting a representation of your Doctor explaining that you score below a cartoon character?
 
I'm with Turtle on this one - President Obama has been nothing short of a disaster in the office and by the dint of hard work from the American people, your country has survived. Thankfully, the man will be out of the office in a little over 4 months but he'll likely be around adding his arrogant two cents, ala President Carter, for the next 30 to 40 years. The mistake of electing the man was made and can't be unmade - time to move on.

And let this be a lesson to all those claiming that if Trump wins of if Clinton wins they are moving to Canada or some other place. America is a great and good country and you can easily survive one of those two dolts and learn a valuable lesson for the next time around - hopefully!

Irrespective of who wins the Presidency: I would move to Canada for the right opportunity. That's move TO Canada, not AWAY from the USA. Call me crazy, but I like icebergs.
 
You have the right to believe the sky is made of cheese but you're still a ****in moron if you do.


Yes they did.

Read the follow up post. When the Hawaii short form birth certificate was presented, that was the end of the issue for me.

So screw you.
 
Irrespective of who wins the Presidency: I would move to Canada for the right opportunity. That's move TO Canada, not AWAY from the USA. Call me crazy, but I like icebergs.

No icebergs here, and with climate change, they're promising that Toronto will be the new Miami on the lake.

And not so crazy - people from both our countries move to and work in the other country on a regular basis, often with the move becoming permanent over time.
 


Wonder where people got the idea he was born in Kenya? Hmmm


Now would any of u Libs tell people your wifes or husbands homeland was Warsaw Poland if they were born in the USA?

Yes or No


My family was Scottish. Never been there, but when folks ask about such things, I say Scotland. I say that without anybody ever doubting my citizenship.
 
Lets see Trump's returns. At a press conference on big screens. And send investigators to the IRS to make sure they're real. (BTW, whatever happened with the investigators Trump was going to send to Hawaii?). We'll also see if his returns are still an issue after he gets elected (IF he gets elected).

And there was harping over Obama's place of birth since 2008. You can put your head in the sand and pretend it wasn't until 2011 if you want to, but you're only fooling yourself
Continued to harp for 8 years from 2011? See, 8 years from 2011, the year BO provided his Hawaiian birth certificate and definitively proved he was born in the US, would be 2019... If BO had provided his Hawaiian birth certificate when the situation arose, there wouldn't be any '8 year harping' (your words) about BO's place of birth...
This is a portion of what I posted. I've italicized and bolded the pertinent.
 


Wonder where people got the idea he was born in Kenya? Hmmm


Now would any of u Libs tell people your wifes or husbands homeland was Warsaw Poland if they were born in the USA?

Yes or No


His mother was an American citizen, therefore he's one too.
 
This is a portion of what I posted. I've italicized and bolded the pertinent.

So you're saying he didn't, or just that he didn't make a spectacle of it? Big difference between the two.

Has anyone seen Trump's birth certificate? I think given his birther tendencies, he should provide it. After all, we want to make sure he's Constitutionally eligible.
 
His <Obama's> mother was an American citizen, therefore he's one too.
As is Ted Cruz's mom...an American citizen, too. What if either Cruz's or BO's mothers had renounced American citizenship? Shouldn't we, at the least, wait for a ruling from SCOTUS to determine what is a natural born citizen?
 
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So you're saying he didn't, or just that he didn't make a spectacle of it? Big difference between the two.

Has anyone seen Trump's birth certificate? I think given his birther tendencies, he should provide it. After all, we want to make sure he's Constitutionally eligible.
What proof do you have that Trump may not be a natural born citizen by anyone's definition?
 
His mother was an American citizen, therefore he's one too.
1. Not if he had been born in the US.
2. And being just a Citizen doesn't make you a natural born Citizen.





Has anyone seen Trump's birth certificate? I think given his birther tendencies, he should provide it.
There are no reasons to even suggest he may not be a NBC like that which exists for Obama, McCain, Rubio and Cruz.
 
Like among others, myself included, Trump.

Certain dems are trying to marginalize Trump for his skepticism of BO's nationality. Quite possibly as politically motivated as those who were skeptical of BO's nationality.
Some say Trump is divisive because of his skepticism while they are equally divisive with their skepticism of Trump.

This is one of the most fantastically stupid things I've ever read.

I am "skeptical" of Trump because of his three- to four-decade career as a self-obsessed carnival barker, not because of wacky conspiracies about kerning and attempting to differentiate between types of birth certificates.

Equating "skepticism" of Trump with birtherism is a new pit of dishonesty, by any standard.
 
What proof do you have that Trump may not be a natural born citizen by anyone's definition?

The same amount as he did Obama, but that didn't stop him, did it?
 
1. Not if he had been born in the US.
2. And being just a Citizen doesn't make you a natural born Citizen.






There are no reasons to even suggest he may not be a NBC like that which exists for Obama, McCain, Rubio and Cruz.

No, if one of your parents is American, then you are natural born.
 
No, if one of your parents is American, then you are natural born.
No.

1. The law at the time was such that Obama's mother could not have conferred citizenship on her child if he had been born outside of the country.
That legislation is no longer the controlling authority as it has changed. But it was controlling at the time.

2. That is also becoming a citizen by legislation and attaches after birth, not by being a naturally born citizen. Two different things there. You are either born a Citizen (naturally born or one by the 14th amendment) or created one by legislation, which by controlling definition and recognition by SCOTUS is being "Naturalized" and attaches after birth.

3. For many years those born on foreign soil were not Citizens of this country regardless of their Parents Citizenship until Congress passed legislation making them so.
Which is why McCain was not born a Citizen, and why Congress later passed law specifically making those born in the Canal Zone Citizens, because they were not born citizens to begin with, which also means he was not a natural born Citizen and was only a "Naturalized" citizen.


The Supreme Court in Happersett clearly indicated that there were no doubts that those born on soil (Jus soli) to citizen parents (Jus sanguinis) were natural born Citizens, but there were doubts to those who were only born on soil without regard to their parents citizenship.

Please note, both those require birth on soil. Not simply birth by citizen parents.


The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/88/162#writing-USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZO
 
Birtherism will never die.
Not until it is settled by the Court, and then it will be relegated to the annals of bad law by the side it disappoints.
 
No.

1. The law at the time was such that Obama's mother could not have conferred citizenship on her child if he had been born outside of the country.
That legislation is no longer the controlling authority as it has changed. But it was controlling at the time.

2. That is also becoming a citizen by legislation and attaches after birth, not by being a naturally born citizen. Two different things there. You are either born a Citizen (naturally born or one by the 14th amendment) or created one by legislation, which by controlling definition and recognition by SCOTUS is being "Naturalized" and attaches after birth.

3. For many years those born on foreign soil were not Citizens of this country regardless of their Parents Citizenship until Congress passed legislation making them so.
Which is why McCain was not born a Citizen, and why Congress later passed law specifically making those born in the Canal Zone Citizens, because they were not born citizens to begin with, which also means he was not a natural born Citizen and was only a "Naturalized" citizen.


The Supreme Court in Happersett clearly indicated that there were no doubts that those born on soil (Jus soli) to citizen parents (Jus sanguinis) were natural born Citizens, but there were doubts to those who were only born on soil without regard to their parents citizenship.

Please note, both those require birth on soil. Not simply birth by citizen parents.


The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/88/162#writing-USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZO

That's why Alexander Hamilton could never be President. He was born in the West Indies.
 
1. Not if he had been born in the US.
2. And being just a Citizen doesn't make you a natural born Citizen.






There are no reasons to even suggest he may not be a NBC like that which exists for Obama, McCain, Rubio and Cruz.

So Trump is exempt from showing his birth certificate?
 
So Trump is exempt from showing his birth certificate?
Do you have an inkling of proof he wasn't born in the US??? Then, no, you can't claim 'birtherism' on Trump and force him to show his birth certificate. It's more like sour apples, isn't it, Rocket.
 
Do you have an inkling of proof he wasn't born in the US??? Then, no, you can't claim 'birtherism' on Trump and force him to show his birth certificate. It's more like sour apples, isn't it, Rocket.

If one has to show it, they all should. If you're going to make that the rule, live by the rules.
 
So Trump is exempt from showing his birth certificate?

Again.

There are no reasons to even suggest he may not be a NBC like that which exists for Obama, McCain, Rubio and Cruz.

In other words there is no reason to suspect he may not have been born a NBC.
To further that, if he was born under the circumstances Obama was then the same circumstances apply.


If one has to show it, they all should. If you're going to make that the rule, live by the rules.
While I have no problem with such a rule being established, but the rule in play here was that there was reason to suggest otherwise.
 
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