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15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses[W:548]

Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

You believe if even one structure ever survives a serious fire, then all structures must always survive a serious fire.

That is hilarious.

No sir, I don't believe that silliness.

I absolutely KNOW that the official government story as embodied in the NIST report is impossible, and the recent fire in London demonstrates that.

Can you see the difference?
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

No sir, I don't believe that silliness.

I absolutely KNOW that the official government story as embodied in the NIST report is impossible, and the recent fire in London demonstrates that.

Can you see the difference?

I really can't, no.

You think the London fire is proof that the WTC could not have collapsed from fire. Therefore you think one building's fire MUST BE the way all buildings respond to fire.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

No sir, I don't believe that silliness.

I absolutely KNOW that the official government story as embodied in the NIST report is impossible, and the recent fire in London demonstrates that.

Can you see the difference?

You dont know anything but you desperately want to BELIEVE
Can you see the difference?
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

I really can't, no.

You think the London fire is proof that the WTC could not have collapsed from fire. Therefore you think one building's fire MUST BE the way all buildings respond to fire.

The congressional baseball game practice shooting there were people who got shot and didn't die proving that bullets cannot kill people. The policeman and perpetrator both later "died". Obviously this was a false flag attack and the "perp" is living on a tropical island somewhere, because we know he cannot be dead from bullets.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

I really can't, no.

You think the London fire is proof that the WTC could not have collapsed from fire. Therefore you think one building's fire MUST BE the way all buildings respond to fire.

This is very much an important part if Kevin Ryan's statements 15 years ago. Certainly here in the US, and I assume that in all more advanced countries, building codes incorporate requirements that minimize the potential for damage from fires. Structures are designed and built to avoid raging fires and structural collapse. Furniture and other furnishings are designed and required to be flame resistant and more.

Aviation interiors must be fire blocked. Cars are designed to withstand certain crashes. Structural steel is designed to meet certain standards, and the insurance companies support these efforts to minimize their exposure and to offer a predictable performance. Underwriters Laboratory, the company for which Ryan worked, tests various products to determine how well they meet the safety requirements.

Clearly, as demonstrated by the Windsor Towers and other examples, our system works pretty well in that regard.

The obvious exception, the curious exception, was WTC on 911, in which in one day three modern steel and concrete structures presumably meeting the fire code and insurance requirements, mysteriously collapsed at almost free fall rates from relatively minor fires.

The London event demonstrates that even the London fire code, whatever it may be, worked to make the building withstand many hours of fire without collapsing. Recently buildings in parts of Russia, UAE and other places have also demonstrated that. Modern construction techniques incorporate methods that minimize fire damage.

The NIST sophistry was apparent to any honest person with a working knowledge of physics and fire engineering. It is nothing but a political bull**** story embraced by people in denial of facts.

Every major fire since 911 in a high rise building, Dubai or Russia and elsewhere, has demonstrated the absurdity and falsity of the NIST theory. So does this recent London event.

We now see how strongly those in denial of facts cling to their delusions. Sad, comical and oh so human. :peace
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

This is very much an important part if Kevin Ryan's statements 15 years ago. Certainly here in the US, and I assume that in all more advanced countries, building codes incorporate requirements that minimize the potential for damage from fires. Structures are designed and built to avoid raging fires and structural collapse. Furniture and other furnishings are designed and required to be flame resistant and more.

Aviation interiors must be fire blocked. Cars are designed to withstand certain crashes. Structural steel is designed to meet certain standards, and the insurance companies support these efforts to minimize their exposure and to offer a predictable performance. Underwriters Laboratory, the company for which Ryan worked, tests various products to determine how well they meet the safety requirements.

Clearly, as demonstrated by the Windsor Towers and other examples, our system works pretty well in that regard.

The obvious exception, the curious exception, was WTC on 911, in which in one day three modern steel and concrete structures presumably meeting the fire code and insurance requirements, mysteriously collapsed at almost free fall rates from relatively minor fires.

The London event demonstrates that even the London fire code, whatever it may be, worked to make the building withstand many hours of fire without collapsing. Recently buildings in parts of Russia, UAE and other places have also demonstrated that. Modern construction techniques incorporate methods that minimize fire damage.

The NIST sophistry was apparent to any honest person with a working knowledge of physics and fire engineering. It is nothing but a political bull**** story embraced by people in denial of facts.

Every major fire since 911 in a high rise building, Dubai or Russia and elsewhere, has demonstrated the absurdity and falsity of the NIST theory. So does this recent London event.

We now see how strongly those in denial of facts cling to their delusions. Sad, comical and oh so human. :peace

Your total and complete lack of knowledge about physics is noted.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Your total and complete lack of knowledge about physics is noted.

Apples to Orange comparison. What some ignore is the fact that it has been stated that the Grenfell Tower would have most likely fell if it was not for the change in fire codes that the Grenfell Tower construction was built under. Some just let facts get in the way. Makes me wonder why the controlled demolition supporters are having such a hard time coming out with the one concise explanation regarding CD.

Using the CD logic, one could say even if NIST was wrong would not rule out a fire induced collapse. But that is what they would like people to believe. Why do I say that, because the CD crowd cannot agree beyond saying it was a controlled demolition. Some say C4, some say thermite, nanothermite, nukes, energy beam or a combination of all possible explosives.

Still waiting for the one concise CD explanation that hold up to review. But the CD crowd will not provide one. They use excuses of it is too complex for a non CD supporter to understand. Or research it yourself, the evidence is out there.

There is no hope for some people.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Apples to Orange comparison. What some ignore is the fact that it has been stated that the Grenfell Tower would have most likely fell if it was not for the change in fire codes that the Grenfell Tower construction was built under. Some just let facts get in the way. Makes me wonder why the controlled demolition supporters are having such a hard time coming out with the one concise explanation regarding CD.

Using the CD logic, one could say even if NIST was wrong would not rule out a fire induced collapse. But that is what they would like people to believe. Why do I say that, because the CD crowd cannot agree beyond saying it was a controlled demolition. Some say C4, some say thermite, nanothermite, nukes, energy beam or a combination of all possible explosives.

Still waiting for the one concise CD explanation that hold up to review. But the CD crowd will not provide one. They use excuses of it is too complex for a non CD supporter to understand. Or research it yourself, the evidence is out there.

There is no hope for some people.

Actually HD believes it was mini-nukes, thermite, and regular explosives. But then he also thinks there were no planes, missiles only and some planes just not the ones the "official story" tells us they are.
Holding several mutually exclusive Cts to be true at the same time is a super power that many truthers seem to posses.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

This is very much an important part if Kevin Ryan's statements 15 years ago. Certainly here in the US, and I assume that in all more advanced countries, building codes incorporate requirements that minimize the potential for damage from fires. Structures are designed and built to avoid raging fires and structural collapse. Furniture and other furnishings are designed and required to be flame resistant and more.

Aviation interiors must be fire blocked. Cars are designed to withstand certain crashes. Structural steel is designed to meet certain standards, and the insurance companies support these efforts to minimize their exposure and to offer a predictable performance. Underwriters Laboratory, the company for which Ryan worked, tests various products to determine how well they meet the safety requirements.

Clearly, as demonstrated by the Windsor Towers and other examples, our system works pretty well in that regard.

The obvious exception, the curious exception, was WTC on 911, in which in one day three modern steel and concrete structures presumably meeting the fire code and insurance requirements, mysteriously collapsed at almost free fall rates from relatively minor fires.

The London event demonstrates that even the London fire code, whatever it may be, worked to make the building withstand many hours of fire without collapsing. Recently buildings in parts of Russia, UAE and other places have also demonstrated that. Modern construction techniques incorporate methods that minimize fire damage.

The NIST sophistry was apparent to any honest person with a working knowledge of physics and fire engineering. It is nothing but a political bull**** story embraced by people in denial of facts.

Every major fire since 911 in a high rise building, Dubai or Russia and elsewhere, has demonstrated the absurdity and falsity of the NIST theory. So does this recent London event.

We now see how strongly those in denial of facts cling to their delusions. Sad, comical and oh so human. :peace

The London structure was not hit with a 500mph, 200,000 pound object. Do you agree?

Yes or no is the only acceptable answer. All other deflection attempts will be met with laughter.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

The London structure was not hit with a 500mph, 200,000 pound object. Do you agree?

Yes or no is the only acceptable answer. All other deflection attempts will be met with laughter.

Yes, I agree that the London structure was not hit with a 500mph 200,000 pound structure. Duh. Yes, I agree your desperation is palpable. :doh

Yes, I agree that you love to, must, deflect and make silly statements to maintain your delusion. Yes, I agree that's what happens when one chooses to defend an indefensible position as you do. Yes, I agree that the NIST explanation failed on the day it was offered to the public, and yes that failure is even more spectacular every time another high rise somewhere in the world catches fire and burns for many hours and fails to experience a universal failure.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Yes, I agree that the London structure was not hit with a 500mph 200,000 pound structure. .

So you agree there is no comparison, yet try to make the comparison anyway.
Logic is not your strong suit
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Yes, I agree that the London structure was not hit with a 500mph 200,000 pound structure. Duh. Yes, I agree your desperation is palpable. :doh

Yes, I agree that you love to, must, deflect and make silly statements to maintain your delusion. Yes, I agree that's what happens when one chooses to defend an indefensible position as you do. Yes, I agree that the NIST explanation failed on the day it was offered to the public, and yes that failure is even more spectacular every time another high rise somewhere in the world catches fire and burns for many hours and fails to experience a universal failure.

Yes, we know you are the only one who as it all figured out by taking parts from many sources. Funny how your accepted explanation evolved over time. First it was totally supporting DRG and AE911T. Then Prager came out with the nuke story. You jumped on board. But you did not give up the thermite and C4. So it became that C4, thermite and mini neutron bombs were used. Isn't it true that you do not believe that aircraft hit the WTC 1 and 2, or at least not the commercial airlines.

The failure is so many for the controlled demolition explanation which is pure speculation. After all these years and the controlled demolition supporters do not agree on the CD. Many of the sources you seem to use have been shown to be wrong. Talk about "known liars" the main editor of Veterans Today admits much of what he writes are lies. Guess you ignore that part.:mrgreen:

We will never see the one concise controlled demolition for the WTC 1,2,7. The reason, it didn't happen.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

If the government story had any truth to it, we would not be having this conversation....:peace
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

If the government story had any truth to it, we would not be having this conversation....:peace

Doesn't matter what the truth is you will deny it because you just want to blame the evil US govt for everything
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

If the government story had any truth to it, we would not be having this conversation....:peace

So the govt got it wrong about the fires at the WTC1,2,7 buildings. "If the government story had any truth to it". Seems fires occurred. You just need look at the video evidence.

To paraphrase you. If Gage, Prager, DRG conclusions were proven [/B regarding the collapses ]and there was a one concise CD explanation , we would not be having this conversation.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Yes, I agree that the London structure was not hit with a 500mph 200,000 pound structure.

I've edited out your attempts at deflection.

So you agree, then, that the damage the two structures incurred was not actually the same.

With different damage suffered, we had different outcomes. And you find this to be... conclusive?

Again, just a yes or no will do.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

I've edited out your attempts at deflection.

So you agree, then, that the damage the two structures incurred was not actually the same.

With different damage suffered, we had different outcomes. And you find this to be... conclusive?

Again, just a yes or no will do.

Your mind might be small enough to really ponder that issue, but mine is not.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

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Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Your mind might be small enough to really ponder that issue, but mine is not.

Tranlsation:
Get your logic out of my fantasy it doesnt belong here!!
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Your mind might be small enough to really ponder that issue, but mine is not.

Confronted with a question he can't answer, T72 once again resorts to petty name-calling. How predictable.

Different damage, different outcome. A logical person does not arrive at a rigid conclusion from these data points.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Confronted with a question he can't answer, T72 once again resorts to petty name-calling. How predictable.

Different damage, different outcome. A logical person does not arrive at a rigid conclusion from these data points.

Hit the nail on the head there!
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Same old debunked crap.

Certainly not by you, a guy who knows so little about 911 that he is reduced to corny one liners.

You're up, zyzygy.

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum?

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

I knew about it. Gave it the attention it deserved here - none.

So what? Plenty of existing threads you could have put this into. No reason to start a new one just to get the same tired old arguments spinning round' in endless circles.

But Mark F can't address any of those issues, which is why he resorts to this tired old meme.

The 2nd meme is to try to corral any discussion and keep it hidden from the land of the free - free from using their brains.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

Yes, there was a conspiracy, it just is not who you most likely think it was.

Why haven't you ever been able to provide any evidence to support the US government official conspiracy theory, mike? Not one iota from any of you.

Did you see WTC5 on page two of the article that none of you US government conspiracy theory supporters haven't even read? It was fully engulfed in flames and it never collapsed. It burned for over eight hours, it even had a huge cantilevered section and it never collapsed.
 
Re: 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses

But Mark F can't address any of those issues, which is why he resorts to this tired old meme.

The 2nd meme is to try to corral any discussion and keep it hidden from the land of the free - free from using their brains.

Lol
says the guy whop runs away every time someone shows his claims to be untrue
Why do you run away and refuse to address the failures of your own claims Cam?
 
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