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You’re Likely Committing A Crime Right Now In “The Land Of The Free"

mike2810 said:
Funny how many of your sources are to something one must purchase.
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Funny? You still haven't figured out how this world works? Books cost money you know. I bet you have books and paid for them as well?


Thought so. This is a very silly and crazy 'argument'.
 
mike2810 said:
Ah misdirect back to me.

It is your thread. Yours to prove your posts are correct.

Good luck with that, in ever answering questions asked of you with something useful. :lamo
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Nope, just show me the 'law'.

I know you won't find it because there isn't any! So, you now want me to proof a negative?

Bizarre, to say the least,
 
Pin dÁr said:
Funny? You still haven't figured out how this world works? Books cost money you know. I bet you have books and paid for them as well?


Thought so. This is a very silly and crazy 'argument'.
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Funny.
Yet there are so many other sources that are free you could cite.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Nope, just show me the 'law'.

I know you won't find it because there isn't any! So, you now want me to proof a negative?

Bizarre, to say the least,
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Go troll with someone else.

Yes, your posts are Bizarre. You finally realize that. :lamo
 
Pin dÁr said:
I am not talking about that here at all.It's frustrating yes, but this thread is not about that.



The 'fix' is very easy but then you need plenty of people. If ALL the people disobeyed these laws...


BUT there is another solution as well, and that is to understand that these laws don't apply to you at all aa a person!

These 'laws' ONLY have to do with corporations. When you present yourself, unconsciously of course, you are screwed indeed. BUT if you behave like a 'sovereign person' these laws can't really touch you.


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yeah, i've heard that nutty argument before. tell a cop that you're a "sovereign person" and see how far that gets you.

as for organizing "ALL" people to disobey laws in protest, good luck. most people are pretty much spent just paying the bills and raising kids. if they get political, they have just enough energy left to shake their fists at the tv and vote for one of the two major political parties; neither of which is going to pare hundreds of laws from the books. about forty percent of eligible voters don't even vote, and voting requires no personal sacrifice other than artificially long lines and getting called for jury duty every now and again.
 
mike2810 said:
Go troll with someone else.

Yes, your posts are Bizarre. You finally realize that. :lamo
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Then don't read my posting, otherwise you show yourself to be nuts.
 
Helix said:
yeah, i've heard that nutty argument before. tell a cop that you're a "sovereign person" and see how far that gets you.

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You are misrepresenting the whole thing, because this is not how this works, mate.

you don't 'tell' a cop that, of course that won't work.

and I never wrote to it that way,

It is difficult I admit but it can be done, and people have done this!








 
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Pin dÁr said:
You are misrepresenting the whole thing, because this is not how this works, mate.

you don't 'tell' a cop that, of course that won't work.

and I never wrote to it that way,

It is difficult I admit but it can be done, and people have done this!


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well, good luck becoming a "sovereign person" or whatever.
 
Helix said:
well, good luck becoming a "sovereign person" or whatever.
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becoming?

IMPOSSIBLE!


I already am, as are you!




btw haven't watched the video that's for sure.
 
Pin dÁr said:
becoming?

IMPOSSIBLE!


I already am, as are you!
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in the sovereign land of Helix, i declare that today will be take a walk and eat chili and grilled cheese for dinner day.


Pin dÁr said:
btw haven't watched the video that's for sure.
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i used to be a libertarian, so i have already been exposed to plenty of this stuff. i will say that most libertarians would rather work to change the system rather than pretending that they are some fictional extra-societal island or whatever, though.
 
Helix said:
in the sovereign land of Helix, i declare that today will be take a walk and eat chili and grilled cheese for dinner day.




i used to be a libertarian, so i have already been exposed to plenty of this stuff. i will say that most libertarians would rather work to change the system rather than pretending that they are some fictional extra-societal island or whatever, though.
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It's ok if you don't understand it.
 
Thoreau72 said:
As to thread title, Too Damn True, but what does it have to do with conspiracy?
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I agree it is consider conspiracy by some who don't wish to believe what Schweizer and others say on the subject. Is it possible that the big banks and big corporations don't really have the Congress and big bureaucrats (i.e. the permanent political class) in their back pockets as most in the media say? Is it possible that it is the other way around, i.e. the big banks and big corporations are actually paying extortion money to keep the investigators and certain applications of the law at bay? Does anybody else besides me find this stuff interesting?
 
First, we are not free. We enjoy some freedoms more than other countries No government has ever permitted freedom. Laws are written to inform you of how to behave and the consequences of not obeying those laws to the point of life in a cage or death. Only the dead are free.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I agree it is consider conspiracy by some who don't wish to believe what Schweizer and others say on the subject. Is it possible that the big banks and big corporations don't really have the Congress and big bureaucrats (i.e. the permanent political class) in their back pockets as most in the media say? Is it possible that it is the other way around, i.e. the big banks and big corporations are actually paying extortion money to keep the investigators and certain applications of the law at bay? Does anybody else besides me find this stuff interesting?
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You do bring up good points, and while anything pretty much is possible, including your hypotheticals, I think it is highly implausible that Wall Street and big banks don't have Congress in their pockets.

And by their political contributions, it could easily be said that they are paying some sort of extortion to be left alone, to have legislation written by their lobbyists. But I doubt it's an extortion atmosphere at work behind those closed doors.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You do bring up good points, and while anything pretty much is possible, including your hypotheticals, I think it is highly implausible that Wall Street and big banks don't have Congress in their pockets.
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Exactly! Now watch "The Godfather part 3" and that is EXACTLY how it has been done!

Wall Street is now a gang-street filled with criminals.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You do bring up good points, and while anything pretty much is possible, including your hypotheticals, I think it is highly implausible that Wall Street and big banks don't have Congress in their pockets.

And by their political contributions, it could easily be said that they are paying some sort of extortion to be left alone, to have legislation written by their lobbyists. But I doubt it's an extortion atmosphere at work behind those closed doors.
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Maybe. But read Schweizers book--you really can read the whole thing in an hour or so--and see if you still think that way.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Laws and rules established by our own country aren't what 'freedom' refers to.
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Is it true that freedom is just another word for 'nothing left to lose'? ;)
 
Thoreau72 said:
Is it true that freedom is just another word for 'nothing left to lose'? ;)
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There are three uses for laws. One is to establish order so that everybody can go about their business without interfering with his/her neighbor or having to negotiate every detail and that takes a lot of the pressure off which is a kind of liberty. Two is to establish necessary perimeters so that we do not do physical or economic violence to our neighbor and this two provides us a kind of liberty. The third dictates to us how we are required to live our lives which, unless agreed via social contract, will almost always curtail our liberties.

But none of these necessarily takes from what we are allowed to have or who we are allowed to be and are not born out of 'nothing left to lose' scenarios.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Is it true that freedom is just another word for 'nothing left to lose'? ;)
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Go ask Kris.

"Nothin', don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free," ;)

ah, Me and Bobby McGee.
 
AlbqOwl said:
There are three uses for laws. One is to establish order so that everybody can go about their business without interfering with his/her neighbor or having to negotiate every detail and that takes a lot of the pressure off which is a kind of liberty. Two is to establish necessary perimeters so that we do not do physical or economic violence to our neighbor and this two provides us a kind of liberty. The third dictates to us how we are required to live our lives which, unless agreed via social contract, will almost always curtail our liberties.

But none of these necessarily takes from what we are allowed to have or who we are allowed to be and are not born out of 'nothing left to lose' scenarios.
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I was quoting a line of a song written by Kris Kristofferson, Me And Bobby McGee, made famous by Janis Joplin. :)

I agree with your first two reasons for laws, but your third is a bit too Judeo Christian for me, and very much an example of how the tyranny of the majority abomination comes to pass. Shall the law tell us how long our hair must be or what garment we should wear to the beach?
 
probably, and if i'm not violating a US law, i'm violating some random UN sh1t my president agreed to.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I was quoting a line of a song written by Kris Kristofferson, Me And Bobby McGee, made famous by Janis Joplin. :)

I agree with your first two reasons for laws, but your third is a bit too Judeo Christian for me, and very much an example of how the tyranny of the majority abomination comes to pass. Shall the law tell us how long our hair must be or what garment we should wear to the beach?
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JudeoChristian laws apply only to those of the JudeoChristian faith. They are not imposed on nobody else and whether or not people adhere to them is purely a personal choice. But #3 comes in the form of dictating what kind of gas mileage and various equipment we are required to have in our automobiles and at one time the maximum speed limit we are allowed to have in the various states, what kind of lightbulbs can be manufactured, what sort of new toilet we are required to buy for our home, what benefits we are required to provide for our employees, what sort of health insurance we are required to buy, etc. etc. etc. These are dictates that the Founders never intended for the central government to have, and are far overstepping any power that should be tolerable to a people who value liberty.
 
AlbqOwl said:
JudeoChristian laws apply only to those of the JudeoChristian faith. They are not imposed on nobody else and whether or not people adhere to them is purely a personal choice. But #3 comes in the form of dictating what kind of gas mileage and various equipment we are required to have in our automobiles and at one time the maximum speed limit we are allowed to have in the various states, what kind of lightbulbs can be manufactured, what sort of new toilet we are required to buy for our home, what benefits we are required to provide for our employees, what sort of health insurance we are required to buy, etc. etc. etc. These are dictates that the Founders never intended for the central government to have, and are far overstepping any power that should be tolerable to a people who value liberty.
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Here in Florida, blue laws used to make it so that alcohol could not be sold before noon. Those laws were the result of Christian influence in writing the laws. Thankfully they are no longer in force, but that is an example of how our Judeo Christian heritage influences the writing of presumably secular law. There are many examples of that, in many states.
 
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