re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]
You are being dishonest and I suspect deliberately so.
So, now your claim is that Boeing aircraft are constructed of Lighter Than Air components that floated freely in the air for 3 to 8 miles? So, you mean to tell me that you have no clue what was found in Indian Lake, or New Baltimore:
Wake up.
Why were all the human remains...
If you had bothered to read my summary explanation on Crash Site Geometry, you would already know the answer to that question because I've posted the answer inside this thread before you asked the question.
What about the personal effects recovered, also belonging to Flight 93 passengers and crew?
Sent back to some family members well AFTER the fact. Since I am contending that Flight 93 did not go down in Shanksville, at the hands of terrorists, then I do not subscribe to the idea that personal effects were found contemporaneously with the aircraft having gone down. If you deliver those personal effects after the fact, you've proven nothing and slapped the family members in the face while doing it.
Show me ONE (1) photo taken from Shanksville, that contains the image of any personal effects on the ground in full context WITHOUT it being tagged and bagged by the government AFTER the fact.
How about the radar data which tracked 93 there and nothing else?
There was also a final transponder reply and final radio communications, too. That proves nothing other than ATC lost its ability to communicate and track the aircraft. It does not mean the aircraft went down in any particular location. How do you explain Flight 370's disappearance from primary radar and "nothing else" - yet, no debris demonstrating that it went down at the point the aircraft sent back its last electronic returns to ATC?
How is it the FDR and CVR for Flight 93 were found at the crash site?
You can drop-off an FDR and CVR, no different that you can drop-off a camera you borrowed from a friend back to their house after work. These kinds of questions are NOT germane to what really happened to Flight 93. They do not in and of themselves tell you that Flight 93 went down in Shanksville. How do you explain the Flight 77 FDR discovery at the Pentagon, that contained data that actually proves Flight 77 could not have possibly struck the Pentagon? FDR and CVR data is never verified in the public domain. The public never gets to see where the data is coming from and there is no chain of custody for the data that can be publicly reviewed.
Why was one engine recovered buried in the crater (yes I know, the other rolled - DOWNHILL - for a bit which isn't surprising really in a 489 knot inverted crash)?
What engine - other than the one that was rusting in the dirt? Jet engines DO NOT begin to rust after just hours in dirt. Furthermore, have you seen a picture or video of that engine allegedly found in that body of water a long way away from the impact crater - because I have NEVER seen an official image of that engine. So, if you can produce a pic, I'd be more than happy to review it.
What about locals Kelly Leverknight and Eric Peterson who saw the plane go down?
You missed others who contradict the Official Story's claim that Flight 93 was inverted and nose down by 40-degrees. Here it is in the St. Petersburg Times, September 12th, 2001, in all its glorious detail:
It dropped all of a sudden like stone.
What's the major problem with these "eyewitnesses?"
1) Kelly Leverknight says:
"I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down,"
2) Tom Fritz says:
"When it decided to drop, it dropped all of a sudden, like a stone,"
3) Reporter says:
Fritz was sitting on his porch on Lambertsville Road, about a quarter mile from the crash site, when he heard a sound that "wasn't quite right" and looked up in the sky.
4) Tom Fritz says:
"It was sort of whistling," he said. "It was going so fast that you couldn't even make out what color it was."
5) Terry Butler says:
"It was moving like you wouldn't believe. Next thing I knew it makes a heck of a sharp, right-hand turn."
6) Reporter says:
He said the plane banked to the right and appeared to be trying to climb to clear one of the ridges,
Now, if you take those accounts and add them up what do you get:
Kelly, claiming the aircraft was
going over her house. Fritz, claiming that the aircraft was
moving very fast at
1/4 mile from the crash site. Terry, claiming the aircraft made a
sharp right turn and climbed upward. Tom, claiming the aircraft
dropped like a stone. What does this yield? It yields the following unbelievable story:
- A Boeing 757-222 flying fast and low, wings and nose near level with the horizon, suddenly making a sharp right bank and then popping its nose up above the horizon before dropping like a stone - ALL WITHIN A 1/4 MILE STRETCH.
I can promise you that no Boeing 757 that I have ever flown can perform that maneuver and the official FDR data from Flight 93,
does not corroborate these accounts. The official data concludes that the aircraft flew from altitude, inverted and into a negative 40-degree dive straight for planet earth. So, what does that tell you? It clearly tells you that either the official story tellers are full of CRAP and faked the FDR data released to the public, or these eye witnesses saw something other than a Boeing 757-222 in a 1/4 mile patch of sky over Shanksville, which is in no way even remotely enough airspace for the 75 to perform such maneuvers - not to mention the fact that Boeing 757s DO NOT drop like "stones" from the sky. They also cannot perform advanced IAC aerobatic maneuvers without ripping themselves apart in mid-air.
So, again - somebody is not telling the truth and unfortunately, you were unable to analyze and detect it.
Attacking the official story is the Chimpanzee part of the brain at work.
Any Chimpanzee, can fail to do their homework and properly analyze what eyewitness say and compare that to what the flight data says and then compare that to what the actual flight envelope of a Boeing 757 happens to be, before jumping off the deep end of the lake called smart-ass-who-knows-precious-little about the subject matter being discussed.
If you knew what you were dealing with here and talking about, then you would have been able to read those eyewitness statements AND compare them to both the flight data as well as the flight envelope of the 75 and discern for yourself that something is wildly off course with the either the official story, or the eyewitnesses. Unfortunately, you were NOT able to "do that."
I'm not holding my breath.
Probably because you are too busy inhaling that crap the official story tellers are smoking.
Now, that your questions have been answered and proven to be cannon fodder for nonsense, as well as having been a total missed opportunity for you to properly analyze eyewitness statements against the actual data submitted by the government, I bring you back to the central question that you continually seem to ignore:
HOW does debris from Flight 93 end up 3-8 miles away from its own impact crater?
