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Woman Claims Her Daughter's Photo was used for a Sandy Hook Shooting Victim

I love the discussion Mike--that's why I'm here.

But I do my "teaching" as part of my job as a flight instructor. Here on the internet, one cannot really have a discussion with a person that is uninformed on whatever the subject matter is. Rip Van Winkle was not up to speed on current events because he was sleeping. So too, some posters live under a rock it seems.

If a person is willing to inform himself, I am thrilled to converse with him, whether we agree or don't. I have no desire to try to educate you about the evidence available regarding Newtown.

HD, it clear you wish not to debate. To have a debate both parties should be looking at the same evidence/article, etc.

Your failure to answer a simple question is clear you have nothing to add. It showns you cannot defend your position.

as far as educating. Well HD, I have no intention of showing you your "evidence' is wrong. If you searched you would find the sites you get your information from are wrong. It is clear you live in the CT sites. Each to their own.
 
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HD, it clear you wish not to debate. To have a debate both parties should be looking at the same evidence/article, etc.

Your failure to answer a simple question is clear you have nothing to add. It showns you cannot defend your position.

as far as educating. Well HD, I have no intention of showing you your "evidence' is wrong. If you searched you would find the sites you get your information from are wrong. It is clear you live in the CT sites. Each to their own.

What's to debate Mike?

You believe the official story, while I see too many similarities to the OCT of 911, and doubt the official story.

In all probability, you and I will never know the truth.

Just as Dick & Dubya will never release a signed statement 'fessing up on 911, Barack will never never 'fess up about Newtown. No problem dude, life goes on.
 
I love the discussion Mike--that's why I'm here.

But I do my "teaching" as part of my job as a flight instructor. Here on the internet, one cannot really have a discussion with a person that is uninformed on whatever the subject matter is. Rip Van Winkle was not up to speed on current events because he was sleeping. So too, some posters live under a rock it seems.

If a person is willing to inform himself, I am thrilled to converse with him, whether we agree or don't. I have no desire to try to educate you about the evidence available regarding Newtown.

That's a shame because most of us have little areas of expertise and can occasionally be very helpful to others who don't.

Your claims are both extraordinary and vague. Here's what you said: "Incorrect dates. Incriminating pictures and contradictory statements. Styles of story telling similar to 911. Impossible shooting, memorial funds set up by parents and others on the same day of the event. Very strange coincidences. And on and on."

You're not having to take a busman's holiday here; asking you to provide specifics through which those of us who are "uneducated" can check for yourselves is a reasonable request. Pick just one date, and let's go from there.
 
Looks like all the videos have been removed from YouTube. Can you find them elsewhere?
 
What's to debate Mike?

You believe the official story, while I see too many similarities to the OCT of 911, and doubt the official story.

In all probability, you and I will never know the truth.

Just as Dick & Dubya will never release a signed statement 'fessing up on 911, Barack will never never 'fess up about Newtown. No problem dude, life goes on.

Your right HD, nothing to debate, since you fail to engage in it.
Interesting you fail to back up any of your doubts.
 
Care to explain why they are the truth.

Nope, someone said the videos were taken down and asked for them so I posted them. I have no need to defend them, or explain myself to you.

The maker of the vids already has admitted the first vid contains lies.

No, he stated that they were "debunked" which is not the same thing. Being wrong doesn't make you a liar, knowingly lying vs asking questions is more than a subtle difference.
 
Nope, someone said the videos were taken down and asked for them so I posted them. I have no need to defend them, or explain myself to you.



No, he stated that they were "debunked" which is not the same thing. Being wrong doesn't make you a liar, knowingly lying vs asking questions is more than a subtle difference.

OK

Simplest thing is for me to ignore your posts in the future since you have no position on the matter.
 
That's a shame because most of us have little areas of expertise and can occasionally be very helpful to others who don't.

Your claims are both extraordinary and vague. Here's what you said: "Incorrect dates. Incriminating pictures and contradictory statements. Styles of story telling similar to 911. Impossible shooting, memorial funds set up by parents and others on the same day of the event. Very strange coincidences. And on and on."

You're not having to take a busman's holiday here; asking you to provide specifics through which those of us who are "uneducated" can check for yourselves is a reasonable request. Pick just one date, and let's go from there.

Part of the reason I posted that to Mike is because I know him from many posts here. His mind is made up on the matter of 911, just as mine is. It appears that his mind is also made up on the matter of Newtown. Mine is not, but 3 months later it appears to be a very suspicious stories.

Because you're new here, I would be happy to list a few specifics about why I'm suspicious.

I qualified with weapons in the US Army, including the M-16. Since Day 1, I have been most suspicious of the notion that Lanza, UNqualified as a marksman, managed to put anywhere from 2 to 8 rounds into all those fairly small targets. Nobody wounded, all dead. Kid was good, eh?

His death is listed in SSDI a day early. I don't do Facebook, but apparently there were a number of funds set up for the kids on the very first day. Proves nothing, but seems strange.

According to FCC documents, the frequency allocation for the Newtown area was changed suddenly for just one day. That is highly irregular, and is a likely explanation for some of the bizarre radio conversations recorded. I've been listening to police scanners for more than 30 years as a hobby.

A sign nearby commanded "All participants must sign in". I find that a bit strange, but entirely consistent with a FEMA type 'training exercise'.

No pictures yet, of the heavily armed assailant breaking through the school security to go in for the massacre. No pictures of anything at all, except "participants" walking all over the place with neck tags that very much resemble FEMA type tags.

Later NB.
 
What's to debate Mike?

You believe the official story, while I see too many similarities to the OCT of 911, and doubt the official story.

In all probability, you and I will never know the truth.

Silly comment. The notion of truth... derived from press accounts is laughable. One can see time after time there are more errors made in reports than there are accuracies in them. Even after time when this is supposed to get sorted out... legacy errors remain and fog the issue.

A big problem is that reality is not an matter of belief... That's religion.

A second problem is the filter of ideology which distorts understanding.

And a third would be the miss use of logic or simply not thinking logically. Along with this goes use of sound logic with false premises produced garbage but does so with logic.

While conspiracies happen all the time... several people colluding to commit some form of crime. The ones such as 9/11 and Sandy Hook require such a vast array of actors and coordination and of course silence from the conspirators that this alone makes them implausible. This is apart from all the spinning and PR which is always present to exploit almost any situation after the fact.
 
I wonder if some of the CT folks ever bother to read information from other sites.
Sandy Hook Hoax Theories Explained: Why Newtown 'Truther' Arguments Don't Hold Up

The questions I have why are the Huffington Post explanation wrong.

Is it not possible that a data entry error occurred in the SSDI regarding the shooter?
A 2012 report by the Office of the Inspector General found the Social Security Administration failed to record the deaths of about 1.2 million people. Clearly, it is not immune from making mistakes; even the agency itself refuses to guarantee the accuracy of the Death Master File.

And the typical response will be its up to me to prove it was a data entry error, rather than the CT folks proving it was not an error.

Google/Facebook searches
“if one uses a date-restricted search, all kinds of articles come up about the Newtown shooting with Google date stamps weeks, months and even years before the shooting occurred.”

So did the govt. set this event up years before, yet posted items on the web?

As far as Adam Lanza not being a qualified military shooter, so he could not have killed all those kids.
That is nothing but speculation. I am not a qualified “sharpshooter” by military standards. Yet, bet I can do better than most at hitting targets of my choosing.

My point. CT folks tend to take part of a fact and play the what if game. Most suspeciions have explanations. Its up to the person to realize that.
 
No others could do Sandy Hook massacre except the Feds because so many resources were activated: police, media, government officials and informants (some were called as "actors" by people.) And they of course would let out disinformation to meddle the water.

Robbie Parker was pushed out as a trap to discredit “Sandy Hook truthers”. So almost right after 12/14, many disinformation about him merged in internet. Mr. Parker was selected because he has three look alike daughters, all with blonde hair and you can hardly recognize them if the picture was taken in a few years.

Here is a doctored picture. Madeline and Samantha have no legs in the photo. It was cut and replaced by other stuff. That two legs on bottom part is from another photo. The size and location does not fit Robbie Parker’s body.

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And they deliberately let Madeline wearing Emilie's dress in photo with Obama. Let her in Emilie’s hair style in picture one too. The dress and hair style were designed to confusing people (that Emilie wasn’t dead) then to prove the suspicious people are "conspiracy theorist". Remember, no others have the motive and resource to do that. Those who could take pictures of Obama and Samantha have the privilege or that photo was a product of the "strategy office"(disinformation office) too.

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That picture was created particularly to mislead people to conclude Emily hadn't died. (they let Madeline wear Emily's dress) That's a trap set up for suspicious people. It proves even the president could be obedient actor to be manipulated by the perpetrator. See how happy those actors are. Are they family members who just lost a lovely girl and after memory service, or it was a celebrating party?
 
(1) In January, I read a post about Emilie’s fund raising page. I went there and copied the page content then wrote the following: “Tell me who was so efficient to open a donation account in Credit Union for poor Emily and then set up a page in facebook the same day of her death?

Original funding page in facebook (the content I copied):

Joined Facebook 12/14/2012

Native of Utah, Emilie Parker was killed in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elem. We are seeking to assist the Parkers by setting up the Emilie Parker Memorial Fund at America First Credit Union in Utah.
Description
Instructions on the Emilie Parker Memorial Account at America First Credit Union (account #5001359). For AFCU members making a transfer, select the Savings as the type of account, and the last name on the account is Parker. For non AFCU members, the AFCU routing number is 324377516. This account has been shared by several Utah media outlets and can be trusted. Thank you.

A PAYPAL account is also available if you use the email brookeprothero@yahoo.com

https://www.facebook.com/EmilieParkerFund/info


2. I think my allegation on Emily's 12/14 face book fund raising page hit the target. After I posted it, I got a reply

01-24-13, 12:24 AM#52
FreedomFromAll

Originally Posted by katsung47

Tell me who was so efficient to open a donation account in Credit Union for poor Emily and then set up a page in facebook the same day of her death? Even two hours before poice confimed the death?

That facebook account does not exist, so why are you linking us to something that does not exist?

This one does though and proves you are wrong. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Emili...175096?sk=info

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-photo-used-sandy-hook-shooting-victim-6.html

I went to that url, the Emilie's fund raising page was disappeared. They found the flaw and disabled the site.

3. Weeks later, I clicked at that url, it revived. Only the join date becomes: 12/15. They corrected it to make it a reasonable story.

Obviously, it was impossible for Mr. Parker to learn his daughter’s death so quickly and let his friends in Utah to open a donation account in bank and then set up a fund raising page in Face book. All these were prepared in advance.
 
When they found a fund raising page on 12/14 was a flaw, they created some case like this one.

Sandy Hook fundraising relief page created 3 days before shooting, Google search results confirm

Friday, January 11, 2013
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

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It's easy to create such a page at the purpose to prove "Alter the date is easy".

But did the Robbie Parker's friend had motive to alter the page set up date?

This information and other similar ones obviously were made by the "disinformation workshop" to cover up the flaw of Emilie's fund raising page. It was impossible for Mr. Parker doing all this on 12/14. The police blocked people to entering the school. They moved the dead people out at night. How could Robbie Parker confirm his daughter's death that dayk then to inform his friends in UTAH then to open a donation account in bank then to set up a fund raising page in facebook?

They planned all this in advance, think it was natural that Mr. Parker should know Emilie's death right on that day. Only found it's impossible in practice.

Watch the disinformation was issued in January, that's a later remedial measure to cover up the flaw.
 
Other people noticed that and have taken a screen shot.

12/14/ facebook

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The page dated 12/14 until January when I copied the content then disappeared after I recommending it.

12/15

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A new page appeared in same url sometime later(after January, I suppose) with the join date: 12/15.

The article about Emilie’s fund raising.
Sandy Hook: The Curious Case Of Emilie Parker | Opinion - Conservative
 
In this case, Adam Lanza and his mother, could be victims of the plot. Lanza had no motive to commit such a crime. Government has. They are pushing for a gun ban. It’s hard to ban all kinds of guns. So the first step is to ban the “Assault weapon”. That’s why they insisted that the gunman used a rifle. By common sense, it’s easy to use hand gun to shoot inside a building. It’s rare to see people use rifle to commit killing inside rooms when they have hand gun as choice.

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Today Show - no rifles used in Newtown shooting.


Today Show - no rifles used in Newtown shooting. - YouTube
 
WHY should anybody believe anything that the MSM has to offer.
Note that the OLD USSR, had PRAVDA and at the point of the break up,
it was SOOOO common knowledge that PRAVDA was a CROCK!

WE THE PEOPLE know that the MSM = propaganda machine ..... now what?
 

nurse hid steps away from the shooter

Some children and a teacher hid in a room; School nurse Sally said she hid under a desk until 1:15 which means Police until 1:15 didn’t know if there was any survivor inside school, how could they not deploy ambulance at school for possible casualty? Obviously they determined in advance that no witness should be out alive.

How could Robbie Parker know his daughter was dead at that time? And then let his friends in Utah know this (about the whole story of shooting out) and then to open a donation account for Emilie in bank and then to establish a page in Face book? It was all pre-planned, only proved not practical in reality, so they had to delete that fund raising account in Face book (date 12-14) and month later had another one in same url which dated 12-15 to cover up the flaw.
 
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