The Sandy Hook Killings [W:24]

[phoenyx]

I know there's a thread called "The Gun Control Debate" here that focuses on the Sandy Hook killings, I posted a fair amount of posts there myself. That being said, while the Sandy Hook killings may have been done in part to further a Gun Control agenda, I don't think that this was the sole cause. Gun Control is also a large subject and encompasses much more then a single event. Not only that, but there is evidence that the killings may have been done for another reason as well. Finally, I'd like to post a few of the articles that I've found to be quite good regarding the subject all in the OP for easy access. So here goes:

This is the first article I read that questioned the official story regarding the Sandy Hook killings:
Agenda Driven News | Sibel Edmonds Boiling Frogs Post

Sandy Hook: Huge Hoax and Anti-Gun “Psy Op” | Veterans Today

The Sandy Hook School Massacre: Unanswered Questions and Missing Information | Global Research

I find that Wikipedia is a good place to look for the current official story:
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook? | Veterans Today

This one is mainly noteworthy as it mentions 2 people that survived and thus may be able to describe the person or people who shot them:
Police Probe Gunman

The following article is currently my favourite on the subject:
Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control | Veterans Today

A possible motivation for the killings other then Gun Control:
Just a rumor? Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

This one is interesting as this is the only reference I've found to the possible identity of one of the people who were apprehended near the school (It's in the very last sentence, almost as if it wasn't important, but atleast it's there):
Police Union Seeks Funding For Trauma Treatment | The Newtown Bee

Parent of 6-year-old survivor of Sandy Hook Elementary massacre blames school, sues for $100 million » The Right Scoop -

Fox News reports Nancy Lanza (Adam Lanza's mother) didn't work at the school:
Authorities: Adam Lanza

Slate reports there's little evidence Nancy Lanza worked at the school:
Nancy Lanza school teacher Sandy Hook Elementary shooting

And a new one that just dropped into my mailbox:
Multiple suspects, a profusion of weapons, and arrests suppressed in Sandy Hook shooting story « Truth and Shadows

 

[Jetboogieman]

To put it plainly.

Conspiracy theorists.

In terms of this tragedy.

That the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels because of it.

I say to those who make conspiracy theories and political cannon fodder out of it.

Point me and don't give me an explanation mods.

Fuck the fuck off you worthless piece of scumbag shit fucking fuck conspiracy theorist piece of shit.

 

[pragmatic]

To put it plainly.

Conspiracy theorists.

In terms of this tragedy.

That the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels because of it.

I say to those who make conspiracy theories and political cannon fodder out of it.

Point me and don't give me an explanation mods.

Fuck the fuck off you worthless piece of scumbag shit fucking fuck conspiracy theorist piece of shit.

You are sooooo gonna get dinged....

 

[pragmatic]

I know there's a thread called "The Gun Control Debate" here that focuses on the Sandy Hook killings, I posted a fair amount of posts there myself. That being said, while the Sandy Hook killings may have been done in part to further a Gun Control agenda, I don't think that this was the sole cause. Gun Control is also a large subject and encompasses much more then a single event. Not only that, but there is evidence that the killings may have been done for another reason as well. Finally, I'd like to post a few of the articles that I've found to be quite good regarding the subject all in the OP for easy access. So here goes:

This is the first article I read that questioned the official story regarding the Sandy Hook killings:
Agenda Driven News | Sibel Edmonds Boiling Frogs Post

Sandy Hook: Huge Hoax and Anti-Gun “Psy Op” | Veterans Today

The Sandy Hook School Massacre: Unanswered Questions and Missing Information | Global Research

I find that Wikipedia is a good place to look for the current official story:
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook? | Veterans Today

This one is mainly noteworthy as it mentions 2 people that survived and thus may be able to describe the person or people who shot them:
Police Probe Gunman

The following article is currently my favourite on the subject:
Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control | Veterans Today

A possible motivation for the killings other then Gun Control:
Just a rumor? Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

This one is interesting as this is the only reference I've found to the possible identity of one of the people who were apprehended near the school (It's in the very last sentence, almost as if it wasn't important, but atleast it's there):
Police Union Seeks Funding For Trauma Treatment | The Newtown Bee

Parent of 6-year-old survivor of Sandy Hook Elementary massacre blames school, sues for $100 million » The Right Scoop -

Fox News reports Nancy Lanza (Adam Lanza's mother) didn't work at the school:
Authorities: Adam Lanza

Slate reports there's little evidence Nancy Lanza worked at the school:
Nancy Lanza school teacher Sandy Hook Elementary shooting

And a new one that just dropped into my mailbox:
Multiple suspects, a profusion of weapons, and arrests suppressed in Sandy Hook shooting story « Truth and Shadows

1. The killings at the Sandy Hook elementary school were a tragedy acted out by a psychotic madman.
2. You are an idiot.

 

[Jetboogieman]

You are sooooo gonna get dinged....

Worth it...

 

[phoenyx]

To put it plainly...

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

 

[phoenyx]

The killings at the Sandy Hook elementary school were a tragedy acted out by a psychotic madman.

I can agree with the notion that the shootings where done by atleast one psychotic madman. The question is, was Adam Lanza one of them? Or was he simply the patsy, while the real culprits were other suspects? From Craig Mckee's article, Multiple suspects, a profusion of weapons, and arrests suppressed in Sandy Hook shooting story « Truth and Shadows :

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And why haven’t we heard about other suspects being arrested, which they clearly were? On the police scanner recordings we hear:

“I have reports that teachers saw two shadows running past the building, past the gym.”

Then another voice: “Ya, we got ‘em. They’re coming at me.” inaudible “they’re coming down the driveway, left side.” Another voice: inaudible “… this is it.” We then hear that the police have one or more suspects “proned out.”

Then, several minutes later: “Be advised. We do have multiple weapons, including a rifle and a shotgun.”

So we clearly have a major story waiting to be revealed by the media: multiple suspects, multiple guns, and the portrait of Adam Lanza as a disturbed lone gunman now in serious doubt.
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I also found this article from Scott Creighton to be highly interesting:
Sandy Hook Shooting:Suspect Car Linked to Christopher A Rodia and Drug Family of Norwalk « American Everyman

Which brings into question something else: Either Nancy Lanza's car was there along with this car, or Nancy Lanza's car was never there at all, and the sole suspicious vehicle belonged to this man.

 

[SMTA]

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

Why would he - nobody cares about your childish BS.

 

[Helix]

complete and utter nonsense, just like the vast majority of conspiracy theory.

 

[phoenyx]

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

Why would he - nobody cares about your childish BS.

In other words, your position seems to be that nobody cares to challenge the official story myth that Adam Lanza was the sole culprit for the Sandy Hook killings. It's clearly a position that is mistaken, as the many articles in the OP make clear. This being said, I find that your stance reminds me of what David Ray Griffin mentioned in the Zeitgeist documentary:
"A myth is an idea that, while widely believed, is false.* In a deeper sense, in the religious sense, a myth serves as an orienting and mobilizing story for people.* The focus is not on the story's relation to reality, but on it's function.* A story cannot function unless it is believed to be true in the community or the nation.* It is not a matter of debate that some people have the bad taste to raise the question of the truth of the sacred story.* The keepers of the faith won't enter into debate with them.* They ignore them or denounce them as blasphemers."

Quoting from a passage almost directly before it, this "empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies."

And so it goes...

 

[phoenyx]

complete and utter nonsense, just like the vast majority of conspiracy theory.

Did you read any of the linked articles, or do you also not care to actually see if any of the claims made in the titles have merit?

 

[Helix]

Did you read any of the linked articles, or do you also not care to actually see if any of the claims made in the titles have merit?

i don't click on conspiracy nonsense blogs. i read enough of them during the truther bull**** to last a lifetime.

 

[SMTA]

Again, he spaketh in riddles, showing his ability to recognize the difference between reality and wild speculation.....

 

[nota bene]

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

I have, one linked on your other thread and one that asks "Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook?" Have you looked at that one?

"Just as the Mossad and US Neo-Cons collaborated in the atrocities of 9/11 and the more recent events at Benghazi, Benjamin Netanyahu bears grudges and has been offended by the failure of the US to kowtow to its every whim, including its dedication to manipulating us to attack Iran, which has no justification. I think Texe Marrs has it right: Zionism is the gravest threat to world peace and to domestic tranquility, where there are signs that our own leaders are finally figuring it out."

Wondering if this "Veterans Today" group might be Stormfronters, I Googled "who are 'Veterans Today'": Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[mike2810]

VT source is not creditable. It publishes news stories by and provides news sources by Iran's state-owned Press TV news agency. It promotes antisemitism, Holocaust denial as well as anti-Israel and 9/11 conspiracy theories. It seems to support many of Irans views about the US.

So why should we believe VT story about the shooting?
Maybe staff from VT did the shooting to keep things stirred up. It is a good as theory as what they post.

Some VT writters should seek mental health help. (imo).

 

[SanderO]

I have read the VT articles when linked to in some comment. I find them not credible. But this sort of world view is common and held by intelligent people who are convinced that there is a NWO which is pulling the strings of every world event. Often this is linked to nasty zionists. This has nothing to do with the disgusting policies of the Israeli government... or the US government for that matter. But most of this stuff has no basis in reality.

Having said that, those who can SPIN will and manipulate any and all events to advance their agenda. The agenda of the NRA is to promote SALES of guns... they represent the mfgs of weapons. All their claims are smoke screens.

The gun control people are simply tired of seeing innocent people get killed. They apparently do not fear the government is going to round everyone up and put them in labor camps or worse. This doesn't mean that the cops and CIA and so forth are doing criminal things all the time and abusing their power... and certainly protecting their franchise.

It's not simply and

 

[SanderO]

I am growing increasing pessimistic about the critical thinking skills of many intelligent people who see wrongdoing. In so many ways they behave and think in exactly the same ways as those they justly criticize. I find Paul Crag Roberts to be an perfect example of this sort of thinking.

PCR publishes a stream of critiques and some of them contain excellent points. But invariably he strays into a sort of libertarian... paranoia that the government (or the nasties ensconced in it... or controlling it from outside) are out to turn America into a totalitarian state. We know that people with power will use and abuse it at any opportunity... They don't like to have their misdeeds exposed and they don't want to be held accountable for the criminal activity. Nothing new there. No bureaucracy will allow itself to be toppled... too much to be had by controlling it and being on the inside.

Note that PCR worked for Ronald Regan... and now has seen the light and is on the outside. He was the force behind (I think) some pretty nasty thinking. But now he's seen as a sort of darling of the... I was there and I get it so listen to my rants school.

"President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. After leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce."

What's with that? Is this man your friend of not? He promotes the above on his resume.

 

[phoenyx]

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

I have, one linked on your other thread and one that asks "Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook?" Have you looked at that one?

I make a point at looking at every article I link to. I will say that I didn't see any evidence that Mossad death squads did any of the killings, but I found that the article had a lot of good information nonetheless.

"Just as the Mossad and US Neo-Cons collaborated in the atrocities of 9/11 and the more recent events at Benghazi, Benjamin Netanyahu bears grudges and has been offended by the failure of the US to kowtow to its every whim, including its dedication to manipulating us to attack Iran, which has no justification. I think Texe Marrs has it right: Zionism is the gravest threat to world peace and to domestic tranquility, where there are signs that our own leaders are finally figuring it out."

Wondering if this "Veterans Today" group might be Stormfronters, I Googled "who are 'Veterans Today'": Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center

Alright, I will say right now that I haven't seen any evidence of Israeli/Mossad involvement in the Sandy Hook Killings. I'll quote the introduction to the article you linked to so you can see where I stand on the points it makes:
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Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).
***

I certainly believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy, which I imagine you already knew if you've spent any serious time in this forum. I also believe that some Israelies were involved in it, just as I believe that some Americans, Pakistanis, and Saudis were involved in it. I also believe that many politicians think much too highly of Israel's heads of state. But that's where the buck stops for me; I haven't seen any hard evidence that the American government is a puppet of Israel, and I certainly don't believe that the Holocaust never happened, or that Julian Assange is a pawn of Israel.

 

[SMTA]

I make a point at looking at every article I link to.

Because you have nothing constructive to do.....

 

[phoenyx]

VT source is not credi[ble] It publishes news stories by and provides news sources by Iran's state-owned Press TV news agency.

It so happens that I've found a lot of good information from Press TV.

It promotes antisemitism, Holocaust denial as well as anti-Israel and 9/11 conspiracy theories.

As mentioned to nota, I'm not a Holocaust denier, so if some of those at VT are doing that, I find that unfortunate. "Antisemetism" and "anti-Israel" seem to be a words bandied about whenever someone disagrees with something Israel does, so I'd need to see specifics here. As I've mentioned in the past, even the official story is a 9/11 conspiracy theory; people such as yourself simply use that terminology to discredit theories that they don't agree with. If they go to the point of some employees at VT, then I'd draw the line as I just mentioned to nota, but one has to be able to filter out the good from the bad in any medium; I'm constantly doing this in the case of the mass media, for example. They're not against jews in general, I'll have you know; they interviewed Alan Sabrosky, who aside from being a former US marine, also happens to be jewish. Even though he's jewish, he had the courage to voice his view that he believes that some Israelies were involved in 9/11.

It seems to support many of Irans views about the US.

Well, seeing as it's owned by Iran, that would stand to reason, laugh .

So why should we believe VT story about the shooting?

VT authors have come up with more then just one article. I have found the articles they've written to be quite compelling on the whole. As mentioned to nota, I haven't seen any evidence that Mossad was involved in the Sandy Hook killings, but only one of the articles I've seen mentions this as a possibility.

Maybe staff from VT did the shooting to keep things stirred up. It is a good [a] theory as what they post.

I'd put that on par with the Mossad involvement bit; there's simply no evidence for it that I've seen.

 

[phoenyx]

I have read the VT articles when linked to in some comment. I find them not credible.

Why is that?

But this sort of world view is common and held by intelligent people who are convinced that there is a NWO which is pulling the strings of every world event. Often this is linked to nasty zionists. This has nothing to do with the disgusting policies of the Israeli government... or the US government for that matter. But most of this stuff has no basis in reality.

As mentioned in other posts, I know that there are some who believe that Israel is behind every big world event/decision, as you say. I'm not one of these people. Zionism can embrace some Christians as well, but ultimately, I believe that the most powerful secret societies don't really care what religion you're in, so long as you agree to keep their organization; and perhaps be loyal to the society above all else in the upper echelons of these societies.

Having said that, those who can SPIN will and manipulate any and all events to advance their agenda. The agenda of the NRA is to promote SALES of guns... they represent the mfgs of weapons. All their claims are smoke screens.

Last I checked, the NRA wasn't saying that the Sandy Hook killings were done by anyone other then Adam Lanza; I've never brought them up in my discussions.

The gun control people are simply tired of seeing innocent people get killed. They apparently do not fear the government is going to round everyone up and put them in labor camps or worse. This doesn't mean that the cops and CIA and so forth are doing criminal things all the time and abusing their power... and certainly protecting their franchise.

It's not simply and

I think you meant "aren't doing criminal things". Also, you didn't finish your last sentence there. Anyway, I'm curious if you've read the following thread:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/146983-latest-dhs-insider.html

 

[phoenyx]

I am growing increasing pessimistic about the critical thinking skills of many intelligent people who see wrongdoing. In so many ways they behave and think in exactly the same ways as those they justly criticize. I find Paul Crag Roberts to be an perfect example of this sort of thinking.

PCR publishes a stream of critiques and some of them contain excellent points. But invariably he strays into a sort of libertarian... paranoia that the government (or the nasties ensconced in it... or controlling it from outside) are out to turn America into a totalitarian state.

What evidence do you have that his concerns are unfounded?

We know that people with power will use and abuse it at any opportunity... They don't like to have their misdeeds exposed and they don't want to be held accountable for the criminal activity. Nothing new there. No bureaucracy will allow itself to be toppled... too much to be had by controlling it and being on the inside.

Agreed; I think our disagreement is simply how far they will go to hold on to power.

Note that PCR worked for Ronald Regan... and now has seen the light and is on the outside. He was the force behind (I think) some pretty nasty thinking. But now he's seen as a sort of darling of the... I was there and I get it so listen to my rants school.

"President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. After leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce."

What's with that? Is this man your friend of not? He promotes the above on his resume.

I think the article he wrote concerning the Sandy Hook killings makes sense. If I had to agree with everything a person has done in order to believe that some of their arguments make sense, I probably wouldn't agree with anyone.. and most people probably agree with anyone either I imagine.

 

[Gardener]

Did you even read any of the links I provided?

Jetboogieman is quite sane, so why would he bother with a bunch of psychotic idiocy?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

People... this is the CONSPIRACY Theory Forum. You KNOW what kind of stuff gets posted here. If you don't want to participate, don't, but please cease the personal attacks.

 

[LiberalAvenger]

To put it plainly.

Conspiracy theorists.

In terms of this tragedy.

That the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels because of it.

I say to those who make conspiracy theories and political cannon fodder out of it.

Point me and don't give me an explanation mods.

Fuck the fuck off you worthless piece of scumbag shit fucking fuck conspiracy theorist piece of shit.

Wow, that took balls.:shock: