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The Sandy Hook Killings [W:24]

I was not insulting you. I like you. You're fun.:)

Well, I will admit that I'm not averse to humour sometimes, and I have found you to have some interesting humour.. I seem to recall you having dreams of lady gaga or something (or was that someone else?) Anyway, any serious conversation needs a little levity now and then, otherwise the conversation can peter out.. either that or people end up at each other's necks, I think I prefer silence to that -.-
 

No mention there of Chuck Hagel as in this one:


Washington is terrified of Israel, their powerful lobby and its relationship with organized crime.

Now, a key former Senator, Chuck Hagel, who has helped expose this fact, is likely to be nominated as the secretary of defense, despite vocal protests from Israel.

Today, Israeli news gave further credence to Harris’ analysis when they issued the following statements regarding the probable nomination of Hagel:

“Chuck Hagel’s statements and actions regarding Israel have raised serious concerns for many Americans who care about Israel,” said the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) Executive Director, Matt Brooks. “The Jewish community and every American who supports a strong US-Israel relationship have cause for alarm if the president taps Hagel for such an important post.”

“The appointment of Chuck Hagel would be a slap in the face for every American who is concerned about the safety of Israel,” he asserted.

Citing a 2006 interview with Hagel, the news continued, “The political reality is…that the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. I have always argued against some of the dumb things they do because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel. I just don’t think it’s smart for Israel.”

Hagel also said he didn’t think he had ever signed one of the letters the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) regularly circulates to demonstrate support for Israel or tough stands against parties such as Iran.

“I didn’t sign the letter because it was a stupid letter…I’m not an Israeli senator, I’m a United States senator.”


ISRAELI DEATH SQUADS DID SANDY HOOK KILLINGS: Intelligence Analyst | Darkmoon
 

Thanks a lot for that article shanners. A lot of good info there I hadn't been aware of, but perhaps the most telling is the following piece:
"Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it is for their own benefit?"

Since Nancy Lanza is now apparently dead, that leaves 2 others I can think of who probably knew Adam Lanza pretty well; his father, Peter Lanza, and his brother, Ryan Lanza. In an earlier story, Ryan Lanza was the suicide killer and he had killed both his father and his mother. The fact that Ryan and his roomates were being detained makes me think that they were being detained precisely to avoid them from challenging the official story, which is already full of holes.

Ofcourse, they couldn't officially detain him and his roommates forever without raising suspicions, so apparently he's now been said to have fled, along with his father Peter Lanza, allegedly due to death threats:
Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Adam Lanza dad & bro flee

That's the official story, anyway. For all we know, he may still be detained, along with his father, or worse, they may have killed him or are planning to, then make it look like one of these anonymous people who threatened death actually did it.
 
Thanks a lot for that article shanners. A lot of good info there I hadn't been aware of, but perhaps the most telling is the following piece:
"Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it is for their own benefit?"

Since Nancy Lanza is now apparently dead, that leaves 2 others I can think of who probably knew Adam Lanza pretty well; his father, Peter Lanza, and his brother, Ryan Lanza. In an earlier story, Ryan Lanza was the suicide killer and he had killed both his father and his mother. The fact that Ryan and his roomates were being detained makes me think that they were being detained precisely to avoid them from challenging the official story, which is already full of holes.

Ofcourse, they couldn't officially detain him and his roommates forever without raising suspicions, so apparently he's now been said to have fled, along with his father Peter Lanza, allegedly due to death threats:
Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Adam Lanza dad & bro flee

That's the official story, anyway. For all we know, he may still be detained, along with his father, or worse, they may have killed him or are planning to, then make it look like one of these anonymous people who threatened death actually did it.

I have got to ask. Why do you think the Daily Star is more creditable than an official statement? If you look at the statement, "Peter Lanza, 54, and his son Ryan, 24, are believed to have fled to Florida." Is that not a speculation statement? It certaintly is not a statement that says something is 100% certain. It is like it could be said that its is believed that phoenyx is a spy. That does not prove or make it so.

I also got to ask why you would accept a person like Darkmoon as a creditable source of information. We know nothing about her accept what is posted by her. The fact she has on her site, "The need for the strictest anonymity makes it impossible for Lasha Darkmoon to reveal her home address or telephone number to anyone; nor to accept the numerous invitations she has received to appear on people’s radio programs, to give talks and interviews, or to enter into audiovisual communication with anyone. She remains a strictly reclusive and private person whose only contact with strangers, for the foreseeable future, must be through the written word.", makes her highly suspect as not being very creditable.

Of course those are my opinions.
 
All I know from reputable news sources is that Peter Lanza quietly claimed the body and buried his son.
 
I have got to ask. Why do you think the Daily Star is more creditable than an official statement? If you look at the statement, "Peter Lanza, 54, and his son Ryan, 24, are believed to have fled to Florida." Is that not a speculation statement? It certaintly is not a statement that says something is 100% certain.

Given the amount of changes that the official story has undergone, I think that even the mass media has to become a -little- cautious as to what they report as fact. But ask yourself this: why are we not told in the article -why- it is believed that they have fled? And who is it that believes this? The article certainly doesn't say. There's a caption to the story that states:
**a source close to the family said "Not only do he and Ryan have to live with what Adam did, they have received death threats too"**

We don't even know if that rather anonymous source is the same source that believes that Peter and Ryan have fled to Florida. Liars and/or purveyors of erroneous information seldom like being identified for obvious reasons. I'm not the only one to have noticed how many whoppers have been coming from allegedly anonymous sources (reporters can ofcourse make up their sources as well, in which case the notion that the sources are anonymous is a hoax, the sources are the reporters themselves).

I think the real killer, though, is that we don't even know who the reporter is, only that it is a "Daily Star Reporter". Other articles at the Daily Star have names attached to them, but not this one.

It is like it could be said that its is believed that phoenyx is a spy. That does not prove or make it so.

Yes, but don't you think it would be nice to who the person is that is stating their belief? And wouldn't you like to know why it is that this is believed?

I also got to ask why you would accept a person like Darkmoon as a creditable source of information. We know nothing about her accept what is posted by her. The fact she has on her site, "The need for the strictest anonymity makes it impossible for Lasha Darkmoon to reveal her home address or telephone number to anyone; nor to accept the numerous invitations she has received to appear on people’s radio programs, to give talks and interviews, or to enter into audiovisual communication with anyone. She remains a strictly reclusive and private person whose only contact with strangers, for the foreseeable future, must be through the written word.", makes her highly suspect as not being very creditable.

Of course those are my opinions.

Who is Darkmoon? Anyway, I agree that she sounds mighty suspicious.
 
I found another article at the Daily Star:
Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Mum tried to put massacre gunman Adam Lanza in mental hospital

Quoting from it:
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And it is said the loner was furious that she wanted him sent away from the home they shared in Newtown, Connecticut.

Family friend Joshua Flashman, 25, said: “Adam was aware of her plans to have him committed and he was apparently very upset about this.

“From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been what set him off.”

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Scott Creighton, an author who has written a fair amount regarding 9/11 (I don't always agree with him, but I respect him) and who has written another article on the Sandy Hook killings which I brought up here earlier, weighs in on Joshua Flashman:
Sandy Hook Shooting: “Fear of Being Committed” Motive Claim is Baseless « American Everyman

Quoting from his article:
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Fox “News” ran with a story that attempted to solve the missing motive puzzle that has developed in the Sandy Hook shooting event.
The story was told to them by Joshua Flashman, “retired”? marine (he’s 25), muscle head and wannbe actor.
And, oh yeah, he claims to be a supporter of 2nd amendment rights, but wait to you see how he supports those rights. He thinks cops and “retired” Marines get to have guns and everyone else can only after going through some kind of “screening’ and training in their states. Everybody else is a “scumbag” who don’t have any 2nd amendment rights.
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By the way, that linked twitter account has been suspended. I, atleast, am curious as to why. In any case, the article continues:

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First off, here is the Fox ‘news” story which purports to answer the troubling question of the missing motive of Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school “more than she loved him,” said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims’ families worship.

“From what I’ve been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed,” Flashman told FoxNews.com. “Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.” Fox “news’

The problem with this story is that Joshua Flashman has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. Who says that? Joshua Flashman says that:

11h Joshua Flashman ‏@JoshuaFlashman
@soderstromk @jimchap @G33kspeak I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza’s motive, & next thing I know, I’m ”intimately aquainted” with the Lanza family and knew Adam’s motives first hand. Funny, I didn’t know that!​

Basically Joshua repeated a rumor he may or may not have even heard and told it to a Fox reporter and here we are. Though it was insinuated that Joshua was close enough to the Lanza family to have some insight into their personal troubles, he actually didn’t know Adam or the mother but did in fact know Ryan, Adam’s older brother...

“I knew OF Adam Lanza. I was aquainted with his older brother Ryan growing up, because he was my age and my grade. I saw the Lanzas around town, and Adam was always just Ryan’s awkward little brother.” Joshua Flashman

...
Also of note, the guy wrote an article for CNN’s IReport back in July of this year in which he claims to support the 2nd amendment, but when you read it, he’s not really all that supportive of it.
His thesis is that cops and ex-military people get to have guns. That’s nice huh? Since he “retired’ from the Marines I guess he gets a gun.

And then he says other citizens can have guns IF they get screened by their state somehow and attend “training” to be part of what he calls the “unofficial militia”. After that screening and subsequent “training” the 2nd amendment is upheld.
But just being a citizen and expecting to have the right to bear arms?
No. Not according to Joshua.
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Joshua's notions on gun control sounds similar to Hitler's gun legislation in 1938, the year before he started World War II, although Germany's law is certainly quite explicit as to who could have a gun:

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The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. ...the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

...
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
...
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]
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Anyway, continuing with the article:

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[Joshua states in an article at CNN:]
“Also, possession and carrying of battlefield/rare/exotic weapons by a non military, law enforcement, and/or state militia members should result in SEVERE, FEDERAL criminal penalties, without ANY possibilty of plea bargaining or parole. You want to dissuade someone from trying to get their hands on something you don’t want them to have? Tell them you’re going to take away their freedom for 25 to life, with no flexibility or leniency in sentencing and administration of corrections. The same punishment will be applied to anyone who KNOWINGLY sells, gives, transfers, or otherwise supplies a battlefield weapon to an unqualified individual…
Furthermore, it saturates the public square with well-armed, well-trained, certified good guys, and dramatically lowers the readily available firepower of the scumbags.” ...Joshua Flashman

So being a cop or a “retired” duck-faced Marine makes you a “certified good guy” and as long as you are approved by some committee in the state you can join them. But if you are a “scumbag” then you have no second amendment rights.
That’s not really what the term “right” means, Joshua. Scott Creighton then goes on to quote some information from Little Green Footballs. I'll quote some of what he quoted, along with my own selection:

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This article in no way is meant to suggest that all miltary members will become serial killers or mass murderers. It does point out a serious problem with what is happening in our armed forces and seeks a solution to help the brave men and women on their return back home.

According to the July 30, 2007 issue of The Nation magazine, damning photos of a U.S. Soldier using a spoon to literally scoop out the brains of a dead Iraqi and pretending to eat the gray matter were recently acquired.
Of course, everyone is appropriately appalled and make all claims of disgust and finger-wagging. Research shows, however, that such unacceptable behavior happens more often than the United States military wants you to know.

...

The list of serial killers and mass murderers who have spent time in the military is astounding.

Here are just a few of the more memorable individuals who received the best training in the United States military and returned to prowl our country's streets and commit terrorist attacks of a different nature:

Charles Whitman - former Marine sniper who killed his wife, mother, and then proceeded to the University of Texas Tower and picked off sixteen people using his sniping skills.


Dean Corll - former Army man and serial killer known as the "Candy Man" who killed at least 27 young boys and buried them in a storage facility in Houston, Texas.


David Berkowitz AKA "The Son of Sam" - New York serial killer and former Army vet who shot and killed at least six people during the 1970s.

Jeffrey Dahmer - former Army vet and Milwaukee cannibal who murdered at least sixteen young boys and men. He performed experiments on some of the victims and ate others.

Timothy McVeigh (pictured above) - Former Gulf War Army vet responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing.

...

“21-year-old West Texas Army Pvt. Steven Green described shooting a man who refused to stop at an Iraqi checkpoint: “It was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody, and it’s like, ‘All right, let’s go get some pizza,’” he told the military newspaper Stars & Stripes. “I mean, I thought killing somebody would be this life-changing experience. And then I did it, and I was like, ‘All right, whatever.’”

Green was eventually discharged from the military due to a “personality disorder.” He was also charged with the rape of a teenage Iraqi girl and the slaughter of her entire family, including a five-year old girl.” Little Green Footballs[/INDENT]

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John Allen Muhammad (“The Beltway Sniper”), Arthur Shawcross... Randy Kraft, Dennis Rader (“BTK”), Howard Unruh, Robert Lee Yates, Gary Heidnik, Charles Cullen, Charles Ng, Henry Louis Wallace, Julian Knight, Courtney Mathews & David Housler, Daryl Keith Holton, Wayne Adam Ford, Richard Marc Evonitz, etc.
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All I know from reputable news sources is that Peter Lanza quietly claimed the body and buried his son.

Could you link to any of these sources that you believe to be reputable?
 
And I guess it appears that nobody will be able to view or otherwise inspect the "crime scene", unlike the Aurora shootings.

More and more mysteries, more and more innuendo that the story is contrived somehow, or the events staged for an ulterior motive.
 
And I guess it appears that nobody will be able to view or otherwise inspect the "crime scene", unlike the Aurora shootings.

More and more mysteries, more and more innuendo that the story is contrived somehow, or the events staged for an ulterior motive.

Yeah. What really gets me is how few people seem to care about finding out more concerning cuffed and proned out suspects. A lot of cognitive dissonance I suppose.
 
Too complicated for me.

I am still trying to figure out who killed **** Robin.
 
Too complicated for me.

I am still trying to figure out who killed **** Robin.

Laugh :). I certainly admit that this event has a lot of twists and turns, with a plethora of changes to the official story, as well as many researchers coming up with a lot of information. I'm just sad that here, where people ostensibly think for themselves, so few people seem to care that there were people proned out and cuffed at or near the scene of the crime and that no one seems to know what happened to these individuals. There are many others points, but to me this is the most glaring one.
 
This thread is stooopid.
 
I decided to call the Newton Bee again, to ask some questions regarding the principal of the school. I believe I spoke to the editor. She said that if I had any questions, to send an email to the editor, so I did. This is what I asked:

*****
Hello, I spoke to you on the phone today (Scott from Canada), and am sending you this email as promised. I've been researching the Sandy Hook killings. There have been a lot of stories as to what, exactly, happened at Sandy Hook and so I created a thread in a forum called DebatePolitics.com, where I and others have been trying to figure out exactly what happened.

On December 14th, you published a story titled
"Shooting Reported Sandy Hook Elementary School"

In the story, the following statement was made:
Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shot[t]s - more than she could count - that went "on and on."

Since that story was published, you issued a "Retraction and Apology"", where you stated that the woman wasn't in fact the principal but only a woman who claimed to be her. I had a few questions concerning this:

1- Did the reporter ever hear the voice of Dawn in the past?

2- How does the reporter know that the woman who claimed to be principal wasn't in fact the principal?

3- Has any effort been made to find out who the woman was who claimed she was the principal of the school?

*****

I'll let people know if I get a response.
 
I decided to call the Newton Bee again, to ask some questions regarding the principal of the school. I believe I spoke to the editor. She said that if I had any questions, to send an email to the editor, so I did. This is what I asked:

*****
Hello, I spoke to you on the phone today (Scott from Canada), and am sending you this email as promised. I've been researching the Sandy Hook killings. There have been a lot of stories as to what, exactly, happened at Sandy Hook and so I created a thread in a forum called DebatePolitics.com, where I and others have been trying to figure out exactly what happened.

On December 14th, you published a story titled
"Shooting Reported Sandy Hook Elementary School"

In the story, the following statement was made:
Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shot[t]s - more than she could count - that went "on and on."

Since that story was published, you issued a "Retraction and Apology"", where you stated that the woman wasn't in fact the principal but only a woman who claimed to be her. I had a few questions concerning this:

1- Did the reporter ever hear the voice of Dawn in the past?

2- How does the reporter know that the woman who claimed to be principal wasn't in fact the principal?

3- Has any effort been made to find out who the woman was who claimed she was the principal of the school?

*****

I'll let people know if I get a response.

You are gping to get a knock on the door tonight. Two guys< IN DARK SUITS, will be there.

They are going to take you away.:mrgreen:
 
You are gping to get a knock on the door tonight. Two guys< IN DARK SUITS, will be there.

They are going to take you away.:mrgreen:

Not sure what gping means, but the dark suits thing made me laugh :p. To be honest, I wasn't too keen on making the call. I'd actually said earlier in the thread that -someone- should ask them some questions regarding the principal of Sandy Hook, but apparently no one took me up on my generous offer, so I decided I should step up to the plate :p. Whatever happens happens, it's not like my life is filled with rainbows right now anyway :p.
 
Not sure what gping means, but the dark suits thing made me laugh :p. To be honest, I wasn't too keen on making the call. I'd actually said earlier in the thread that -someone- should ask them some questions regarding the principal of Sandy Hook, but apparently no one took me up on my generous offer, so I decided I should step up to the plate :p. Whatever happens happens, it's not like my life is filled with rainbows right now anyway :p.
I Never answer the door for people wearing suits.:scared: I hide when they are wearing dark suits.
 
I Never answer the door for people wearing suits.:scared: I hide when they are wearing dark suits.

I assume you're making this stuff up, laugh :p. Anyway, all I did was ask a few questions. If they attempted to intimidate everyone who asked some questions, I imagine they wouldn't have enough time to intimidate the people who actually have the answers :p.
 
It might be the RCMP, on behalf of....whom....? :shock:
 
It might be the RCMP, on behalf of....whom....? :shock:

Lol :). I think the fact that I'm Canadian might also help; even if the North American Union goes through one day, I'm not part of Uncle Sam just yet :p.
 
Phoenyx -

You're a cool guy, but you have to be way more discerning with your websites and sources.

Veterans Today and Gordon Duff are frauds and loony tunes. And stay away from Prison Planet for Gods sakes!
 
Phoenyx -

You're a cool guy, but you have to be way more discerning with your websites and sources.

Veterans Today and Gordon Duff are frauds and loony tunes. And stay away from Prison Planet for Gods sakes!

I don't know about Gordon Duff (I imagine one of my articles is from there, I can ofcourse look at it again if you point out which one), but I found a lot of information from Veterans Today to be quite good. I know that some of the brass there are apparently biased against Israel, but this only means I have to take anything they say that involves Israel with a grain of salt. As I mentioned to you in a PM, Scott Creighton, who I know you admire, has written some articles regarding the Sandy Hook killings as well and he also doesn't believe the official story regarding the Sandy Hook killings.
 
I Never answer the door for people wearing suits.:scared: I hide when they are wearing dark suits.

hes Canadian, they dont wear dark suits, Red suits, or more liekly green parkas :)
 
hes Canadian, they dont wear dark suits, Red suits, or more liekly green parkas :)

Green parkas? You thinking military? Anyway, if it's the federal RCMP, this would be the type of uniform, though ofcourse more would be worn then this on any formal visit...
rcmp-hemp-beach-tv-hbtv.jpg
 
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