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    Hey everyone

    Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

    My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

    I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

    As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

    I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

    Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

    Best Wishes,

    Kyle.

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    A furry and a communist. That's a first.

    Welcome to DP Kyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Phoenix View Post
    Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

    My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

    I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

    As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

    I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

    Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

    Best Wishes,

    Kyle.
    Howdy Doody, Kyle Phoenix!! Welcome to the forum.

    I'm a bit confused by your "peaceful transition of power" concerns.

    1. You mention Bush v Gore. There was no transition of power problems there. The Supremes dealt with questions about recounts...not about who actually won the election. And after their rulings the transition of power from Clinton to Bush proceeded smoothly.

    2. You mention Biden and the use of the US military. If Trump wins the election, how would Biden have any authority to use the military to depose Trump? Are you suggesting Biden should attempt a coup? If Biden wins, what makes you think Trump will stand in the way of a peaceful transition of power from his administration to a Biden administration?

    3. Trump, throughout his administration, has complied with the rule of law and the Constitution. I see no reason to believe he'll stop doing that if he loses the upcoming election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Howdy Doody, Kyle Phoenix!! Welcome to the forum.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm a bit confused by your "peaceful transition of power" concerns.

    1. You mention Bush v Gore. There was no transition of power problems there. The Supremes dealt with questions about recounts...not about who actually won the election. And after their rulings the transition of power from Clinton to Bush proceeded smoothly.
    I'm worried that the conservative majority on the supreme court will be used in a partisan way to ensure that Trump secures a second term.

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    2. You mention Biden and the use of the US military. If Trump wins the election, how would Biden have any authority to use the military to depose Trump? Are you suggesting Biden should attempt a coup? If Biden wins, what makes you think Trump will stand in the way of a peaceful transition of power from his administration to a Biden administration?
    Trump criticised the legitimacy of the 2016 election before the result came in and even though he won he still accused the democrats of having millions of illegal immigrants votes (if I recall correctly). So it's likely Trump will do so again in 2020. That being said, the Democrats may use issues over Russian interference to challenge the legitimacy of the result as well. If either one or both of those happen, it's really bad for democracy.

    As for how the military fits in, it is unclear how exactly those events would play out. But given that the military appears to suffer from similar partisan divisions as the rest of the population, it only takes someone to be "stupid" for the whole thing to get very ugly.

    If Biden won the election by a landslide, but Republicans "rigged" the election using the Supreme Court or some other mechanism (the electoral college or house of representatives perhaps), it's going to be difficult to accept that the legal outcome is the same as the legitimate outcome or a reflection of the will of the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    3. Trump, throughout his administration, has complied with the rule of law and the Constitution. I see no reason to believe he'll stop doing that if he loses the upcoming election.
    I hope, for all our sakes, you are right. I suspect you are using very different news sources to the one I am (I'm a regular reader of the Guardian which is highly critical of Trump and his administration).

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    Re: Hey everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Phoenix View Post
    Thanks.



    I'm worried that the conservative majority on the supreme court will be used in a partisan way to ensure that Trump secures a second term.



    Trump criticised the legitimacy of the 2016 election before the result came in and even though he won he still accused the democrats of having millions of illegal immigrants votes (if I recall correctly). So it's likely Trump will do so again in 2020. That being said, the Democrats may use issues over Russian interference to challenge the legitimacy of the result as well. If either one or both of those happen, it's really bad for democracy.

    As for how the military fits in, it is unclear how exactly those events would play out. But given that the military appears to suffer from similar partisan divisions as the rest of the population, it only takes someone to be "stupid" for the whole thing to get very ugly.

    If Biden won the election by a landslide, but Republicans "rigged" the election using the Supreme Court or some other mechanism (the electoral college or house of representatives perhaps), it's going to be difficult to accept that the legal outcome is the same as the legitimate outcome or a reflection of the will of the people.



    I hope, for all our sakes, you are right. I suspect you are using very different news sources to the one I am (I'm a regular reader of the Guardian which is highly critical of Trump and his administration).
    You know...instead of getting all worked up over speculation fueled by anti-Trump biased news sources, I suggest you take the advice of Greg Gutfeld. (see my sig) You may find yourself suffering less anxiety.
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    When I "dismiss" you it only means that I have determined that further discussion is useless or counter-productive. Don't take it personally. Go ahead and have your last word...and move on.

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    A 31 year old communist furry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You know...instead of getting all worked up over speculation fueled by anti-Trump biased news sources, I suggest you take the advice of Greg Gutfeld. (see my sig) You may find yourself suffering less anxiety.
    I agree that "be your own journalist" is good advice. It is especially true with the degree of sensationalism being thrown around these days. The internet is going to force us to have to rely on our own judgement more now it is so easy to spread disinformation and propaganda and having to tell them apart. It would be very sad if it wasn't so frightening that we all seem to be living in parallel worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    A furry and a communist. That's a first.
    That's probably a lot more common than you think. The strange part is that he's in his 30s.

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    Welcome Kyle. Take off your shoes, relax and dip your toes into the muddy waters of partisan politics right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dex4974 View Post
    That's probably a lot more common than you think. The strange part is that he's in his 30s.
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