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Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

Best Wishes,

Kyle. :)
 
A furry and a communist. That's a first.

Welcome to DP Kyle.
 
Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

Best Wishes,

Kyle. :)

Howdy Doody, Kyle Phoenix!! Welcome to the forum.

I'm a bit confused by your "peaceful transition of power" concerns.

1. You mention Bush v Gore. There was no transition of power problems there. The Supremes dealt with questions about recounts...not about who actually won the election. And after their rulings the transition of power from Clinton to Bush proceeded smoothly.

2. You mention Biden and the use of the US military. If Trump wins the election, how would Biden have any authority to use the military to depose Trump? Are you suggesting Biden should attempt a coup? If Biden wins, what makes you think Trump will stand in the way of a peaceful transition of power from his administration to a Biden administration?

3. Trump, throughout his administration, has complied with the rule of law and the Constitution. I see no reason to believe he'll stop doing that if he loses the upcoming election.
 
Howdy Doody, Kyle Phoenix!! Welcome to the forum.

Thanks. :)

I'm a bit confused by your "peaceful transition of power" concerns.

1. You mention Bush v Gore. There was no transition of power problems there. The Supremes dealt with questions about recounts...not about who actually won the election. And after their rulings the transition of power from Clinton to Bush proceeded smoothly.

I'm worried that the conservative majority on the supreme court will be used in a partisan way to ensure that Trump secures a second term.

2. You mention Biden and the use of the US military. If Trump wins the election, how would Biden have any authority to use the military to depose Trump? Are you suggesting Biden should attempt a coup? If Biden wins, what makes you think Trump will stand in the way of a peaceful transition of power from his administration to a Biden administration?

Trump criticised the legitimacy of the 2016 election before the result came in and even though he won he still accused the democrats of having millions of illegal immigrants votes (if I recall correctly). So it's likely Trump will do so again in 2020. That being said, the Democrats may use issues over Russian interference to challenge the legitimacy of the result as well. If either one or both of those happen, it's really bad for democracy.

As for how the military fits in, it is unclear how exactly those events would play out. But given that the military appears to suffer from similar partisan divisions as the rest of the population, it only takes someone to be "stupid" for the whole thing to get very ugly.

If Biden won the election by a landslide, but Republicans "rigged" the election using the Supreme Court or some other mechanism (the electoral college or house of representatives perhaps), it's going to be difficult to accept that the legal outcome is the same as the legitimate outcome or a reflection of the will of the people.

3. Trump, throughout his administration, has complied with the rule of law and the Constitution. I see no reason to believe he'll stop doing that if he loses the upcoming election.

I hope, for all our sakes, you are right. I suspect you are using very different news sources to the one I am (I'm a regular reader of the Guardian which is highly critical of Trump and his administration).
 
Thanks. :)



I'm worried that the conservative majority on the supreme court will be used in a partisan way to ensure that Trump secures a second term.



Trump criticised the legitimacy of the 2016 election before the result came in and even though he won he still accused the democrats of having millions of illegal immigrants votes (if I recall correctly). So it's likely Trump will do so again in 2020. That being said, the Democrats may use issues over Russian interference to challenge the legitimacy of the result as well. If either one or both of those happen, it's really bad for democracy.

As for how the military fits in, it is unclear how exactly those events would play out. But given that the military appears to suffer from similar partisan divisions as the rest of the population, it only takes someone to be "stupid" for the whole thing to get very ugly.

If Biden won the election by a landslide, but Republicans "rigged" the election using the Supreme Court or some other mechanism (the electoral college or house of representatives perhaps), it's going to be difficult to accept that the legal outcome is the same as the legitimate outcome or a reflection of the will of the people.



I hope, for all our sakes, you are right. I suspect you are using very different news sources to the one I am (I'm a regular reader of the Guardian which is highly critical of Trump and his administration).

You know...instead of getting all worked up over speculation fueled by anti-Trump biased news sources, I suggest you take the advice of Greg Gutfeld. (see my sig) You may find yourself suffering less anxiety.
 
A 31 year old communist furry? :confused:
 
You know...instead of getting all worked up over speculation fueled by anti-Trump biased news sources, I suggest you take the advice of Greg Gutfeld. (see my sig) You may find yourself suffering less anxiety.

I agree that "be your own journalist" is good advice. It is especially true with the degree of sensationalism being thrown around these days. The internet is going to force us to have to rely on our own judgement more now it is so easy to spread disinformation and propaganda and having to tell them apart. It would be very sad if it wasn't so frightening that we all seem to be living in parallel worlds.
 
Welcome Kyle. Take off your shoes, relax and dip your toes into the muddy waters of partisan politics right here.
 
That's probably a lot more common than you think. The strange part is that he's in his 30s.

The past few years have been unbearable watching the far right go from strength to strength with no end in sight. So I have the benefit of experience, but I don't have the idealism or enthusiasm that many of the youngsters have these days. I am running on empty as far as conviction is concerned, but coronavirus has certainly taken off some of the social pressures to conform to the status quo. When the news is as psychotic as it is these days, I feel almost a sense of relief that I'm not the crazy one after all.
 
The past few years have been unbearable watching the far right go from strength to strength with no end in sight. So I have the benefit of experience, but I don't have the idealism or enthusiasm that many of the youngsters have these days. I am running on empty as far as conviction is concerned, but coronavirus has certainly taken off some of the social pressures to conform to the status quo. When the news is as psychotic as it is these days, I feel almost a sense of relief that I'm not the crazy one after all.

You sound very focused and reasonable. Your 'communist' ideology doesn't set my hair on fire as it will many members here.
 
Hi Kyle!

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Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

Best Wishes,

Kyle. :)

Welcome aboard, Kyle. Good to have you, and I look forward to some hopefully fruitful discussions on the boards.
 
Welcome to the forums
 
Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

Best Wishes,

Kyle. :)

I am also a little sceptical of the idea that the supreme court may hand trump a second term or act as a partisan body in favour of trump... Brett kavanaugh, whom trump obviously appointed, voting record on the sc was quite different to what people expected... He sometimes voted with the "liberal" judges. I don't think one needs to be too worried about a potential constitutional crisis.
And yeah, all the best during this difficult time with the virus to you too.
Cheers
 
I am also a little sceptical of the idea that the supreme court may hand trump a second term or act as a partisan body in favour of trump... Brett kavanaugh, whom trump obviously appointed, voting record on the sc was quite different to what people expected... He sometimes voted with the "liberal" judges. I don't think one needs to be too worried about a potential constitutional crisis.
And yeah, all the best during this difficult time with the virus to you too.
Cheers

Thanks for the insight. I will certainly keep that in mind. Cheers. :)
 
Greetings members of Debatepolitics.com,

My name is Kyle. I am a resident of the U.K. and take an interest in U.S. politics. I am currently a member of reddit and have been participating on ModelUSGov as a simulation of the U.S. government since last year.

I'm going to turn 31 later this year but I've been on the far left of the political spectrum since I was about age 14. I have therefore chosen "communist" as my political leanings, although it doesn't capture the nuances, eccentricities and doubts that have developed over such a long period of time, particularly as I have read more widely and engaged with more people with a greater range of political views.

As far as the 2020 U.S. election goes, I'm more concerned about whether a peaceful transition of power is possible and if the election result will be treated as legitimate than who actually wins. I prefer Biden over Trump, but if Republicans pulled a "Bush vs. Gore" and handed the election result to the Supreme Court, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of man willing to use the U.S. military to actually depose the Trump administration by force. Regardless as to whether it is Biden or Trump, it seems very likely that instability we've experienced in the past few years is going to be the "new normal" for some time to come.

I'm not looking forward to a second term of Trump if only because of what it means for environmental issues, such as climate change, and it's impact on America and the world at large. However, I hope that some of the people here can give me reason for optimism and restore some of my faith in humanity even during these dark and troubled times. There is a great deal going on and even more to process honestly so I hope being here can help me with that.

Needless to say, I hope you are well keeping yourselves safe during the Coronavirus and I look forward to getting to know you all better as time goes on.

Best Wishes,

Kyle. :)

Hello Kyle and welcome aboard. As a self-identifying proto-communist, I am sure you'll be welcomed here. ;) Just don't let the bastards grind you down and stick to your principles while being civil to those who may not be civil back. There are some very good posters here from all positions of the political spectrum and I hope you suss them out and learn from them. Consider this a rather raucous game of Glasgow-style political rugby-15s where you will get cauliflower ears, cuts and bruises; but if you stick with it, you'll score some tries and grow as a player. Oh, and this is definitely not the place for rugby-7s or football, too much elbowing and cleating goes on here. But it's grand fun nonetheless.

Enjoy the game. They're mostly a good lot here.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
Hello Kyle and welcome aboard. As a self-identifying proto-communist, I am sure you'll be welcomed here. ;) Just don't let the bastards grind you down and stick to your principles while being civil to those who may not be civil back. There are some very good posters here from all positions of the political spectrum and I hope you suss them out and learn from them. Consider this a rather raucous game of Glasgow-style political rugby-15s where you will get cauliflower ears, cuts and bruises; but if you stick with it, you'll score some tries and grow as a player. Oh, and this is definitely not the place for rugby-7s or football, too much elbowing and cleating goes on here. But it's grand fun nonetheless.

Enjoy the game. They're mostly a good lot here.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Thanks. I'll certainly try. :D
 
A communist is one who does not consider having their very best intentions imposed upon others by force of law to be a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. They consider it to be the only reasonable alternative to chaos or having their counterpart's best intentions imposed upon them by force, or by mere exposure. I do not doubt the benevolence of the communist intentions, I just think that such authority should be reserved to the parents of small children.

No one becomes a communist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a communist, but we're all communists until we grow up and support ourselves. Communism is something that parents should provide to small children as they train them up to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Communism in one of age is either a Peter Pan syndrome in which one wants to remain in the communism of their youth or an outlet for a personality that simply cannot feel fulfilled unless they're telling other people what to do. Those people should raise children and stop infantilizing their equals.
 
A communist is one who does not consider having their very best intentions imposed upon others by force of law to be a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. They consider it to be the only reasonable alternative to chaos or having their counterpart's best intentions imposed upon them by force, or by mere exposure. I do not doubt the benevolence of the communist intentions, I just think that such authority should be reserved to the parents of small children.

No one becomes a communist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a communist, but we're all communists until we grow up and support ourselves. Communism is something that parents should provide to small children as they train them up to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Communism in one of age is either a Peter Pan syndrome in which one wants to remain in the communism of their youth or an outlet for a personality that simply cannot feel fulfilled unless they're telling other people what to do. Those people should raise children and stop infantilizing their equals.

Communism is a set of political beliefs and since the 19th century has been closely associated with Marxism as a philosophy of history, society and nature. So it doesn't entail any particular personality attributes, whether they be good or bad. Maturity or immaturity is not a property of particular beliefs but of how they are used based on recognising the limitations of our knowledge of the world and powers to affect it.

Also comparng the overall social structure to the family, with subordination of children to parents, is more typical to fascist and conservative views as it entails asserting a "natural" disposition to inequal abilities and relations between people. Communist views on the family range from the more traditional nuclear family based on heterosexuality and male-female gender roles (usually with increased rights for women based on equality of the sexes) to anarchist free love based on individual freedom and consent.
 
Communism is a set of political beliefs and since the 19th century has been closely associated with Marxism as a philosophy of history, society and nature. So it doesn't entail any particular personality attributes, whether they be good or bad. Maturity or immaturity is not a property of particular beliefs but of how they are used based on recognising the limitations of our knowledge of the world and powers to affect it.

Also comparng the overall social structure to the family, with subordination of children to parents, is more typical to fascist and conservative views as it entails asserting a "natural" disposition to inequal abilities and relations between people. Communist views on the family range from the more traditional nuclear family based on heterosexuality and male-female gender roles (usually with increased rights for women based on equality of the sexes) to anarchist free love based on individual freedom and consent.

I do not doubt the benevolence of your intentions. I'm not going to compare the best intentions of one to the less-than-best intentions of another. The problem that I have with any derivative of Marxism is that they all have a compulsory nature. If you take away the compulsion, it becomes something other than Marxist.

As C. S. Lewis wrote, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes rest. His cupidity may be, at some point, satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end because they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

The sad fact is that the only places on Earth where people are equal are in cemeteries. That's why Marxist attempts to equalize people put hundreds of millions of them in their during the last century.
 
I do not doubt the benevolence of your intentions. I'm not going to compare the best intentions of one to the less-than-best intentions of another. The problem that I have with any derivative of Marxism is that they all have a compulsory nature. If you take away the compulsion, it becomes something other than Marxist.

As C. S. Lewis wrote, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes rest. His cupidity may be, at some point, satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end because they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

The sad fact is that the only places on Earth where people are equal are in cemeteries. That's why Marxist attempts to equalize people put hundreds of millions of them in their during the last century.

Essentially, I agree with you. The violence of communism is the one area where I have a serious problem with it, but as far as the evidence goes of Marxism being a science I remain convinced that it is closer to the truth than the alternatives I am aware of. I just hope that we can learn from our mistakes, or else we are condemned to repeat them all over again.
 
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