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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Hello Kyle and welcome aboard. As a self-identifying proto-communist, I am sure you'll be welcomed here. Just don't let the bastards grind you down and stick to your principles while being civil to those who may not be civil back. There are some very good posters here from all positions of the political spectrum and I hope you suss them out and learn from them. Consider this a rather raucous game of Glasgow-style political rugby-15s where you will get cauliflower ears, cuts and bruises; but if you stick with it, you'll score some tries and grow as a player. Oh, and this is definitely not the place for rugby-7s or football, too much elbowing and cleating goes on here. But it's grand fun nonetheless.

    Enjoy the game. They're mostly a good lot here.

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    Thanks. I'll certainly try.

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    A communist is one who does not consider having their very best intentions imposed upon others by force of law to be a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. They consider it to be the only reasonable alternative to chaos or having their counterpart's best intentions imposed upon them by force, or by mere exposure. I do not doubt the benevolence of the communist intentions, I just think that such authority should be reserved to the parents of small children.

    No one becomes a communist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a communist, but we're all communists until we grow up and support ourselves. Communism is something that parents should provide to small children as they train them up to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Communism in one of age is either a Peter Pan syndrome in which one wants to remain in the communism of their youth or an outlet for a personality that simply cannot feel fulfilled unless they're telling other people what to do. Those people should raise children and stop infantilizing their equals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricklayer View Post
    A communist is one who does not consider having their very best intentions imposed upon others by force of law to be a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. They consider it to be the only reasonable alternative to chaos or having their counterpart's best intentions imposed upon them by force, or by mere exposure. I do not doubt the benevolence of the communist intentions, I just think that such authority should be reserved to the parents of small children.

    No one becomes a communist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a communist, but we're all communists until we grow up and support ourselves. Communism is something that parents should provide to small children as they train them up to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Communism in one of age is either a Peter Pan syndrome in which one wants to remain in the communism of their youth or an outlet for a personality that simply cannot feel fulfilled unless they're telling other people what to do. Those people should raise children and stop infantilizing their equals.
    Communism is a set of political beliefs and since the 19th century has been closely associated with Marxism as a philosophy of history, society and nature. So it doesn't entail any particular personality attributes, whether they be good or bad. Maturity or immaturity is not a property of particular beliefs but of how they are used based on recognising the limitations of our knowledge of the world and powers to affect it.

    Also comparng the overall social structure to the family, with subordination of children to parents, is more typical to fascist and conservative views as it entails asserting a "natural" disposition to inequal abilities and relations between people. Communist views on the family range from the more traditional nuclear family based on heterosexuality and male-female gender roles (usually with increased rights for women based on equality of the sexes) to anarchist free love based on individual freedom and consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Phoenix View Post
    Communism is a set of political beliefs and since the 19th century has been closely associated with Marxism as a philosophy of history, society and nature. So it doesn't entail any particular personality attributes, whether they be good or bad. Maturity or immaturity is not a property of particular beliefs but of how they are used based on recognising the limitations of our knowledge of the world and powers to affect it.

    Also comparng the overall social structure to the family, with subordination of children to parents, is more typical to fascist and conservative views as it entails asserting a "natural" disposition to inequal abilities and relations between people. Communist views on the family range from the more traditional nuclear family based on heterosexuality and male-female gender roles (usually with increased rights for women based on equality of the sexes) to anarchist free love based on individual freedom and consent.
    I do not doubt the benevolence of your intentions. I'm not going to compare the best intentions of one to the less-than-best intentions of another. The problem that I have with any derivative of Marxism is that they all have a compulsory nature. If you take away the compulsion, it becomes something other than Marxist.

    As C. S. Lewis wrote, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes rest. His cupidity may be, at some point, satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end because they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

    The sad fact is that the only places on Earth where people are equal are in cemeteries. That's why Marxist attempts to equalize people put hundreds of millions of them in their during the last century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricklayer View Post
    I do not doubt the benevolence of your intentions. I'm not going to compare the best intentions of one to the less-than-best intentions of another. The problem that I have with any derivative of Marxism is that they all have a compulsory nature. If you take away the compulsion, it becomes something other than Marxist.

    As C. S. Lewis wrote, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes rest. His cupidity may be, at some point, satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end because they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

    The sad fact is that the only places on Earth where people are equal are in cemeteries. That's why Marxist attempts to equalize people put hundreds of millions of them in their during the last century.
    Essentially, I agree with you. The violence of communism is the one area where I have a serious problem with it, but as far as the evidence goes of Marxism being a science I remain convinced that it is closer to the truth than the alternatives I am aware of. I just hope that we can learn from our mistakes, or else we are condemned to repeat them all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Phoenix View Post
    Essentially, I agree with you. The violence of communism is the one area where I have a serious problem with it, but as far as the evidence goes of Marxism being a science I remain convinced that it is closer to the truth than the alternatives I am aware of. I just hope that we can learn from our mistakes, or else we are condemned to repeat them all over again.
    And those of us who do learn from history are condemned to sit by helplessly while the others repeat it.

    The least worst way to distribute scarce resources that have alternative uses is through pricing. Prices are the least worst way to distribute scarce resources that have alternative uses. Capitalism is an economic system controlled by price moves. That's it; that's all it is. There are many forms of capitalism. A free market is a market in which individuals act in their own self interests to the benefit of others. That's what I do as a masonry contractor; I act in my own self interests to the benefit of my men and my customers. To the extent that I am of benefit to them, I will in turn benefit. The unique element that makes free market capitalism the least worst economic system is its mutually voluntary nature.

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    Welcome to DP!... again. (There is some familiarity here.)
    "Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid." - Penn Jillette.

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