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ModerateGOP is Dead!!!!

NeverTrumpGOP said:
I have finally changed my name to NeverTrumpGOP. I put a lot of thought into this name and I will probably change it back if my party returns back to normal after the Trump administration goes down in flames.
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Truth in advertising! Your new name fits much better. :2razz:
 
Slingshot Bob said:
LOL, I am an odd bird! I guess I closely identify as a paleoCon, but all conditions can change!
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I think the photo suggests a heart of gold, a closet bleeding heart, under the paleoCon cover.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I have finally changed my name to NeverTrumpGOP. I put a lot of thought into this name and I will probably change it back if my party returns back to normal after the Trump administration goes down in flames.
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When Trump is no longer president, which could be in 6 months or 8 years, then your name will also no longer be relevant. It's your choice but it looks like a poor one because it's attached to a fad. Whatever makes you happy.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Yeah I don't get why being liberal is a bad thing.
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It's a bad thing based on their own self-infliction. I notice that people will rarely admit to being "liberal". I've even seen people have their lean listed as "liberal" but then refer to themselves as moderate because it's not really something that people want to utter.
 
reinoe said:
When Trump is no longer president, which could be in 6 months or 8 years, then your name will also no longer be relevant. It's your choice but it looks like a poor one because it's attached to a fad. Whatever makes you happy.
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As mentioned in my OP, I will probably change my name again, maybe back to ModGop if the state of the party heals itself quickly, but IDK if that will happen even with Trump gone.
 
reinoe said:
It's a bad thing based on their own self-infliction. I notice that people will rarely admit to being "liberal". I've even seen people have their lean listed as "liberal" but then refer to themselves as moderate because it's not really something that people want to utter.
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Several times here people who've identified as conservative have espoused liberal values. I asked them, "How do you know you're conservative?" and it turned out it was because the word 'liberal' had become a hot-button thing where they lived. Next thing you know they're identified as libertarian.
Everyone in the English speaking world knows what 'liberal' means, except Americans.
 
Grand Mal said:
Several times here people who've identified as conservative have espoused liberal values. I asked them, "How do you know you're conservative?" and it turned out it was because the word 'liberal' had become a hot-button thing where they lived. Next thing you know they're identified as libertarian.
Everyone in the English speaking world knows what 'liberal' means, except Americans.
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I'll admit that's part of the reason why I don't like the liberal label. I mostly hate hippies and actual SJWs/most of the liberal base. I believe in freedom of the press and a strong military. I have few hard-core conservative principles that always irks my liberal friends. I am not comfortable with most political partisans. I tend to look beyond the political rhetoric and analyze where certain messages or propaganda is coming from. If I don't like the groups behind that I let it be known. Loudly. If I find people making false comparisons between one group and the other, I let it known that they are being hypocrites.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'll admit that's part of the reason why I don't like the liberal label. I mostly hate hippies and actual SJWs/most of the liberal base. I believe in freedom of the press and a strong military. I have few hard-core conservative principles that always irks my liberal friends. I am not comfortable with most political partisans. I tend to look beyond the political rhetoric and analyze where certain messages or propaganda is coming from. If I don't like the groups behind that I let it be known. Loudly. If I find people making false comparisons between one group and the other, I let it known that they are being hypocrites.
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Do you think that your views have been pretty constant over the years, or have they shifted at some point?
 
Impressive.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I have finally changed my name to NeverTrumpGOP. I put a lot of thought into this name and I will probably change it back if my party returns back to normal after the Trump administration goes down in flames.
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There are a lot of lifelong Republicans who view Trump as an opportunistic interloper who gained the nomination with 35% support within the GOP. That was enough in an extra large 17 or 18 candidate field. I really found it strange that Republicans would go with a 9 time party switcher who became a Republican for the third time back in 2012.

If not for the hatred of Hillary Clinton, Trump probably would have gone down in flames last November. The old adage of candidates matter certainly was true last year. Perhaps you can take solace in the fact that Republican job approval of President Trump has fallen from 90% at the end of January to 75% today. But what stands out is at the end of January 60% of Republicans strongly approved of the President while 30% said somewhat. Today those figures are 39% strongly approve and 36% somewhat approve. That's a 21 point drop in the strongly approve along with a 6 point rise in the somewhat approve. disapproval among Republicans rose from 6% to 21%.

It's not the issues or Trump's policies as most Republicans approve of them. It all boils down to Trump's personality, his persona. His character along with feuding with members of his own party is driving long time Republicans away from him as his persona certainly grates on them.
 
Perotista said:
There are a lot of lifelong Republicans who view Trump as an opportunistic interloper who gained the nomination with 35% support within the GOP. That was enough in an extra large 17 or 18 candidate field. I really found it strange that Republicans would go with a 9 time party switcher who became a Republican for the third time back in 2012.

If not for the hatred of Hillary Clinton, Trump probably would have gone down in flames last November. The old adage of candidates matter certainly was true last year. Perhaps you can take solace in the fact that Republican job approval of President Trump has fallen from 90% at the end of January to 75% today. But what stands out is at the end of January 60% of Republicans strongly approved of the President while 30% said somewhat. Today those figures are 39% strongly approve and 36% somewhat approve. That's a 21 point drop in the strongly approve along with a 6 point rise in the somewhat approve. disapproval among Republicans rose from 6% to 21%.

It's not the issues or Trump's policies as most Republicans approve of them. It all boils down to Trump's personality, his persona. His character along with feuding with members of his own party is driving long time Republicans away from him as his persona certainly grates on them.
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The GOP has far more 'winner-take-all' primaries and caucuses versus proportional outlays, while all Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional.

That's why 35% was a winner for the GOP, though I believe Ted Cruz would have been even worse than trump, if that's possible ...
 
NIMBY said:
The GOP has far more 'winner-take-all' primaries and caucuses versus proportional outlays, while all Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional.

That's why 35% was a winner for the GOP, though I believe Ted Cruz would have been even worse than trump, if that's possible ...
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Maybe. Both Trump and Cruz were in the pits when it came to favorable/unfavorable numbers. I don't remember who was worse.
 
Perotista said:
Maybe. Both Trump and Cruz were in the pits when it came to favorable/unfavorable numbers. I don't remember who was worse.
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Went to Milwaukee this past weekend for 3 Nats/Brewers games. Forgot how much I loved Wisconsin from the 70s through the 90s.

I can list several GOP governors who would be far superior to trump right now: Baker, Sandoval, Walker, Kasich, Christie, even Pence just to name 6.

As I've mentioned, a Baker/Sandoval ticket in 2020 would be almost impossible for DEMs to beat; and for all the correct reasons ;;;
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I have finally changed my name to NeverTrumpGOP. I put a lot of thought into this name and I will probably change it back if my party returns back to normal after the Trump administration goes down in flames.
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The Democrat party will never return to normal.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm pretty sure I'll get the same stuff from the same people. Now they just know where my loyalties lie, since I was already being criticized for being moderate in the GOP. I thought that was Neutral. lose-lose. So why not?
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You are neither moderate or GOP. And it was no mystery where your loyalties lie. :roll:

If you had gone with, "nevertrumplib", that would have at least been honest. :shrug:
 
NIMBY said:
Went to Milwaukee this past weekend for 3 Nats/Brewers games. Forgot how much I loved Wisconsin from the 70s through the 90s.

I can list several GOP governors who would be far superior to trump right now: Baker, Sandoval, Walker, Kasich, Christie, even Pence just to name 6.

As I've mentioned, a Baker/Sandoval ticket in 2020 would be almost impossible for DEMs to beat; and for all the correct reasons ;;;
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I think I'll concentrate on the upcoming midterms first. Cook and Rothenberg have an almost identical list of who is in trouble or at risk. It still comes out to 30 GOP congressmen at risk vs. 10 for the Democrats. Too early to make any predictions, but if those two have it right at this time, there is the possibility the Democrats regain the House. It may be more probably than one thinks if the current trends continue.

Flake and Heller are in trouble in Arizona and Nevada. The generic Democrat leads Flake 51-37 and generic Democrat leads Heller 50-31. Both are facing primary challenges. I haven't seen anything on Indiana, but a generic Republican is leading McCaskill 54-38. Manchin leads generic Republican 50-41. Those are the only ones on my radar scale that has had polling done so far. Nothing on Montana, North Dakota.

The thing is generic regardless of Republican or Democrat is everyone's dream candidate or favorite. I wouldn't put much stock in those polls yet. But if they continue, develop a trend, then it may be time to sit up.
 
Personally, I don't like Trump (especially as a person), but he is almost definitely better than Hillary Clinton would've been. Your assertion that the Moderate GOP is dead is simply untrue. While Trump may be a bit extreme, there are definitely Moderate Republicans out there. I would definitely have supported Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, or Jeb Bush (despite how pathetic he seems sometimes) over Trump. Personally I think you're a Liberal in disguise.
 
NIMBY said:
Went to Milwaukee this past weekend for 3 Nats/Brewers games. Forgot how much I loved Wisconsin from the 70s through the 90s.

I can list several GOP governors who would be far superior to trump right now: Baker, Sandoval, Walker, Kasich, Christie, even Pence just to name 6.

As I've mentioned, a Baker/Sandoval ticket in 2020 would be almost impossible for DEMs to beat; and for all the correct reasons ;;;
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Walker would not be superior to Trump and Sandoval may win on "electability" he's a scumbag in how he handles the state of Nevada.
 
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