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Go to Prom and get Suspended?

Some people don't seem to understand the simplicity of "Personal Responsibility" ;)

Personal Responsibility is republican bull**** that comes up whenever republicans are questioned about their blatant attacks on personal liberties.
 
So are rules in work places that forbid one from insulting the company publicly or they will be terminated unconstitutional and shouldn't be allowed?

Yes, they are illegal. They run contrary to the 1st Amendment.


Are Non-Disclosure Agreements violating the constitution? They're legal agreements with a company that says a person isn't able to talk about something, thus restricting the 1st amendment in your view it would seem. Should those not be allowed?

If the non-disclosure agreement leads to restraining employees from revealing criminal activities, then, yes, they are illegal. They are also unenforceable.


Should a private club, like a golf course, be able to have a dress code? Is how one dresses not an expression of speech? Should these places have their rules forcefully changed because it violates the constitution?

Now you're just blowing smoke. This is a well known righty tactic.


Many stores and areas have rules in regards to loitering where people can't just sit in a store for hours on end doing nothing or causing a bit of a rucus. Should these rules be stricken due to the freedom of assembly?

Those rules are their to provide safety. These are not a violation of the constitution. Loitering is considered a crime in some areas. For more information, read a book on real estate law.

Your logic is flawed to such a great extent it makes me question if you're actually being serious or just being emotionally over the top and irrational due to it.

No, your logic is flawed. The right seems to think their religion and associated groups are above the law. Guess what? THEY ARE NOT.

The right has always had a hard time accepting that they are not above the law.

It's a character flaw common among right-wingers.
 
The right to make a choice does not mean that the said given choice should be free from criticism. Yes, backwards church-school operates under the assumption of *freedom of association* and as such, can accept whoever they want and conversely, not accept whoever they want. The parents who send their child to this school is doing them a grave disservice. We increasingly live in a multicultural and interconnected world. Isolating your children with people who only agree with your moral tenants will not help them navigate the outside world, nor does it give them an effective barometer as to what is out there in the real world.
 
I stand corrected
but trust me, you would have been better off, not coming back :lol::doh:lol:

I will not bow down to confused right-wingers who think they and their religious institutions are above the law.
 
The right to make a choice does not mean that the said given choice should be free from criticism. Yes, backwards church-school operates under the assumption of *freedom of association* and as such, can accept whoever they want and conversely, not accept whoever they want. The parents who send their child to this school is doing them a grave disservice. We increasingly live in a multicultural and interconnected world. Isolating your children with people who only agree with your moral tenants will not help them navigate the outside world, nor does it give them an effective barometer as to what is out there in the real world.


Quite correct.

The code of conduct in not enforceable. If the Frost family chooses to take this to court, they will be victorious. The right-wingers will say otherwise but that is because they believe they and their religious groups are above the law.

Example: Pat Robertson
Example: Dick Cheney
Example: George Bush
 
Quite correct.

The code of conduct in not enforceable. If the Frost family chooses to take this to court, they will be victorious. The right-wingers will say otherwise but that is because they believe they and their religious groups are above the law.

Example: Pat Robertson
Example: Dick Cheney
Example: George Bush

:lol:

Now that is funny!

If this is true. Please explain why to date no lawsuit. Also explain how the Boy Scouts can kick out a member for being openly gay.

Sorry you can yell, call names etc and you still fail unless you put forth "evidence." You know that thing that proves you are not just making it up.
 
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The right to make a choice does not mean that the said given choice should be free from criticism.

No one here has said that.

Yes, backwards church-school operates under the assumption of *freedom of association* and as such, can accept whoever they want and conversely, not accept whoever they want.

Exactly.

The parents who send their child to this school is doing them a grave disservice.

In your opinion.

We increasingly live in a multicultural and interconnected world. Isolating your children with people who only agree with your moral tenants will not help them navigate the outside world, nor does it give them an effective barometer as to what is out there in the real world.

So now it is wrong to instill your morals into your own children? That pretty much is the reason we raise children.

I am certain through the proper education they know exactly what is out there. With the Internet etc, I doubt that would be much of an issue.
 
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Now that is funny!

If this is true. Please explain why to date no lawsuit. Also explain how the Boy Scouts can kick out a member for being openly gay.

Sorry you can yell, call names etc and you still fail unless you put forth "evidence." You know that thing that proves you are not just making it up.

Lawsuits take time and money to bring about.

I am not pleased with the boy scouts policy of discrimination. That dude got raped by right wing zealots.

He was victimized by unfair right wing fanatics.

You right-wingers need to understand that neither you, nor your religious institutions, are above the law.
 
In your opinion.

In most people's opinions actually.

There is a fringe of elitests who do not agree.

So now it is wrong to instill your morals into your own children? That pretty much is the reason we raise children.

Installing morals is one thing. Forcing them down the child's throat is quite another. This is yet another gray area for right-wingers.

I am certain through the proper education they know exactly what is out there. With the Internet etc, I doubt that would be much of an issue.

The thing is ... that school is not offering a PROPER education.
 
Lawsuits take time and money to bring about.

The school broke no law.

I am not pleased with the boy scouts policy of discrimination. That dude got raped by right wing zealots.

You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.

He was victimized by unfair right wing fanatics.

Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.

You right-wingers need to understand that neither you, nor your religious institutions, are above the law.

That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.
 
In most people's opinions actually.

There is a fringe of elitests who do not agree.

Got some facts to back up that asinine claim?

Installing morals is one thing. Forcing them down the child's throat is quite another. This is yet another gray area for right-wingers.

No grey area here. Unless you think the state should step in and insure parents are "forcing" the values they hold down a child's throat?

The thing is ... that school is not offering a PROPER education.

:shock:

They are licensed by the state. So obviously you are wrong again. :roll:
 
The school broke no law.



You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.



Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.



That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.

Yet more republican religious support spewage.
 
They are licensed by the state. So obviously you are wrong again. :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's speculation on your part. Having a license does not make one a good and unbiased educator.

The conservative in you just lacks the courage to admit an error.
 
Yet more republican religious support spewage.

Thanks for proving me correct. :2wave:

"Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.
" - Blackdog :lol:
 
That's speculation on your part. Having a license does not make one a good and unbiased educator.

The school is licensed by the state of Ohio. If they did not offer a "proper education" the license would be taken away.

Speculation. :roll:

The conservative in you just lacks the courage to admit an error.

An error did occur. Unfortunately it is on you because you don't understand state licensing of educational facility's.
 
The school broke no law.



You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.



Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.



That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.

Here is evidence that I am correct:

It is also well-established that states have the power to regulate private schools. Based on the "high responsibility for education of its citizens, [a State] may impose reasonable regulations for the control and duration of basic education." Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 213 (1972). See also Board of Ed. of Cent. Sch. Dist. No.1 v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236, 246-247 (1968). The state's interest in an informed and self-sufficient citizenry capable of participating in a democratic society is generally cited to support the regulation of private schools. Yoder at 221; Kentucky State Board v. Rudasill, 589 S.W.2d 877, 883 (1979).

The right to regulate is not without limitations, however. Since 80 percent of America's private schools are religious institutions, any regulation of these schools must conform to the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion. <--- Charter Schools did not do this.

While the parameters of state regulation of private schools is to a large extent shaped by our federal constitution, it should also be noted that federal law on occasion directly influences the operations of private schools. For example, federal law prohibits discrimination in the admission policies of nonsectarian schools, (42 U.S.C. § 1981; Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)). And the relationship between state governments and private schools can be forged through federal grant statutes. For example, regulations implementing several federal funding grants direct that states and local educational agencies provide private school children with a genuine opportunity to participate, consult with private school officials and provide comparable benefits for the private school students. 34 C.F.R. 76.650 et seq., 299.6 et seq. But the actual regulation of private schools remains the prerogative of the state governments.

Oh ... and as to your comment about there not being a lawsuit: YOU ARE WRONG:

READ: England further threatens that, if he learns that Frost “is involved with alcohol or sex” at the prom, he will be expelled from Heritage. Frost’s family is planning a lawsuit against the school.

Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

YOU ARE WRONG
WRONG
WRONG

The Frost Family IS PLANNING SUIT THE ASS END OUT OF HERITAGE NAZI TRAINING SCHOOL.

Now. We have established that the Frosts ARE GOING TO SUE. DID I MENTION YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT... SEVERAL TIMES?

As to your rubbish about him not being denied his education: AGAIN YOU WERE WRONG: ... OH THE SHOCK!!!

READ: Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students. Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students.

Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

Clearly ... I am not the one who is confused here.

You people need to wake up and start being Americans again.

Clearly the boy is being cheated of his education because some zealots feel the need to force their morals on him. This in unacceptable. It is a 1st Amendment violation and the school is going to pay out their crooked asses for what they have done.
 
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Here is evidence that I am correct:

Finaly I get to trash evidence from a Free Republic blog LMAO!

It is also well-established that states have the power to regulate private schools. Based on the "high responsibility for education of its citizens, [a State] may impose reasonable regulations for the control and duration of basic education." Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 213 (1972). See also Board of Ed. of Cent. Sch. Dist. No.1 v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236, 246-247 (1968). The state's interest in an informed and self-sufficient citizenry capable of participating in a democratic society is generally cited to support the regulation of private schools. Yoder at 221; Kentucky State Board v. Rudasill, 589 S.W.2d 877, 883 (1979).

This applies to the time and quality of the education. It does not apply to admissions, discipline and rules agreed to for entrance into said private facility.

So it does not apply. Lets move on...

The right to regulate is not without limitations, however. Since 80 percent of America's private schools are religious institutions, any regulation of these schools must conform to the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion. <--- Charter Schools did not do this.

So what? Again it does not apply here. Unless you want 80% of private schools shut down for not breaking any law? :lol:

While the parameters of state regulation of private schools is to a large extent shaped by our federal constitution, it should also be noted that federal law on occasion directly influences the operations of private schools. For example, federal law prohibits discrimination in the admission policies of nonsectarian schools, (42 U.S.C. § 1981; Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)). And the relationship between state governments and private schools can be forged through federal grant statutes. For example, regulations implementing several federal funding grants direct that states and local educational agencies provide private school children with a genuine opportunity to participate, consult with private school officials and provide comparable benefits for the private school students. 34 C.F.R. 76.650 et seq., 299.6 et seq. But the actual regulation of private schools remains the prerogative of the state governments.

This also has nothing to do with the issue. Only nonsectarian schools are affected by what is highlighted in red, not religions institutions.

Shall we move on?

Oh ... and as to your comment about there not being a lawsuit: YOU ARE WRONG:

READ: England further threatens that, if he learns that Frost “is involved with alcohol or sex” at the prom, he will be expelled from Heritage. Frost’s family is planning a lawsuit against the school.

Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

YOU ARE WRONG
WRONG
WRONG

The Frost Family IS PLANNING SUIT THE ASS END OUT OF HERITAGE NAZI TRAINING SCHOOL.

Now. We have established that the Frosts ARE GOING TO SUE. DID I MENTION YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT... SEVERAL TIMES?

That story is from May 8th of this year. Here is the followup...

"He may have a point. Like the Taliban, these Christians reject music, dancing and other modern habits. I find them perfectly medieval but they have a right to run a school according to their beliefs so long as they meet the state requirements and regulations. If Frost finds the school to be in the dark ages, he and his family should not support such a place with their tuition dollars." - Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom JONATHAN TURLEY

It has been almost 30 days since the suspension. No lawsuit as I have said, and it is probably not going to happen. It would be a major waist of their money as I said before. So no, I am not wrong.

As to your rubbish about him not being denied his education: AGAIN YOU WERE WRONG: ... OH THE SHOCK!!!

READ: Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students. Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students.

Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

This has nothing to do with being denied an education. Don't like the rules? Go to another school, problem solved. People transfer schools all the time for various reasons.

People are also expelled from public and private schools for different reasons. No one is claiming they are being denied an education. That is just moronic in the extreme.

Clearly ... I am not the one who is confused here.

You people need to wake up and start being Americans again.

Clearly the boy is being cheated of his education because some zealots feel the need to force their morals on him. This in unacceptable. It is a 1st Amendment violation and the school is going to pay out their crooked asses for what they have done.

Hehehehehe!

Fantasy is a wonderful thing.
 
Finaly I get to trash evidence from a Free Republic blog LMAO!



This applies to the time and quality of the education. It does not apply to admissions, discipline and rules agreed to for entrance into said private facility.

So it does not apply. Lets move on...



So what? Again it does not apply here. Unless you want 80% of private schools shut down for not breaking any law? :lol:



This also has nothing to do with the issue. Only nonsectarian schools are affected by what is highlighted in red, not religions institutions.

Shall we move on?





That story is from May 8th of this year. Here is the followup...

"He may have a point. Like the Taliban, these Christians reject music, dancing and other modern habits. I find them perfectly medieval but they have a right to run a school according to their beliefs so long as they meet the state requirements and regulations. If Frost finds the school to be in the dark ages, he and his family should not support such a place with their tuition dollars." - Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom JONATHAN TURLEY

It has been almost 30 days since the suspension. No lawsuit as I have said, and it is probably not going to happen. It would be a major waist of their money as I said before. So no, I am not wrong.



This has nothing to do with being denied an education. Don't like the rules? Go to another school, problem solved. People transfer schools all the time for various reasons.

People are also expelled from public and private schools for different reasons. No one is claiming they are being denied an education. That is just moronic in the extreme.



Hehehehehe!

Fantasy is a wonderful thing.


You can choke the right-wing chicken all you want. It's still a chicken... and you're still wrong.

You and your religious friends are NOT above the law.

You need to realize that.
 
You can choke the right-wing chicken all you want. It's still a chicken... and you're still wrong.

Absolutely brilliant. :roll:

You and your religious friends are NOT above the law.

No one is saying anyone is. We are saying (and you don't seem to get it) that no law was broken. As I have shown many, many times at this point, none have.

You need to realize that.

No. You need to realize that when you use the government take away rights from one private institution or even a person, you are often jeopardizing the rights of many people.
 
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Absolutely brilliant. :roll:
No one is saying anyone is. We are saying (and you don't seem to get it) that no law was broken. As I have shown many, many times at this point, none have.

Yes, and you and your friends are mistaken.

Moreover, you're willing to ruin Mr. Frost's life because he did something 90% of American high school kids have done. I find this to be deplorable conduct on your part and on the part of the school.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

No. You need to realize that when you use the government take away rights from one private institution or even a person, you are often jeopardizing the rights of many people.

Yes, I know it would be a nightmare if your right-wing christian nazi buddies got told no publicly. It would jeopardize the ability of some other collection of zealtous assholes from ruining another child's life.
 
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Yes, and you and your friends are mistaken.

Moreover, you're willing to ruin Mr. Frost's life because he did something 90% of American high school kids have done. I find this to be deplorable conduct on your part and on the part of the school.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Yes, I know it would be a nightmare if your right-wing christian nazi buddies got told no publicly. It would jeopardize the ability of some other collection of zealtous assholes from ruining another child's life.

This pretty much sums up your argument and debate skills...

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This pretty much sums up your argument and debate skills...

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Yes, you call me names because I said something you disagree with. Typical right-wing misbehavior.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Knock off the trolling, Blackdog, or there will be further consequences.
 
Yes, you call me names because I said something you disagree with. Typical right-wing misbehavior.

You mean like you do?

"Go goose-step elsewhere dude.

Your brownosing of a collection of nazi assbags is sickening.

I characterize you as a far right wing nutjob.

Your views favor the far right nazi zealots at the school. This makes you no better than them.

We're not discussing private property. That is retarded right wing bull****.

If you were not a far right nazi republiscumbag supporter, you would be able to see past your religion and programming.

I am sorry you're not educated enough to see that comparsion for what it is.

The uneducated always scream "bigotry" when they know their argument is defeated.

This is the prattle of the far right zealot supporting religious nut. It's their trademark and YOU ARE DISPLAYING IT NICELY!

You arguments failed to be anything more than far right conformist bull****.

Yet more Republicanazi excuse making.

Conservatives tend to be nazi-like. It's in their nature.
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This is a good one here...

"Yet another conseravite supporter of religious tyranny.

Conservatives and religious tyranny go togther like:

Eggs and Bacon
Death and Taxes
Politics and Corruption
Stupidity and George W. Bush
"

No trolling here.

"Yet more anti-American conservative nonsense.

You are WRONG. You lack the gonads to admit it.

You and your motely crew of brow-nosing conservative nazism supporters represent one of the major issues with this country.

We all know you're a *former" catholic. You were raised to believe the same nonsensical bull**** that the charter school is spewing. Naturally you would be sympathetic to their nazi tactics.

You sir lack the objectivity to debate this topic.

As does the squad of brown-nosers who seems to be following you.

I will not bow down to confused right-wingers who think they and their religious institutions are above the law.

You right-wingers need to understand that neither you, nor your religious institutions, are above the law.

Yet more republican religious support spewage.

The conservative in you just lacks the courage to admit an error.

You can choke the right-wing chicken all you want. It's still a chicken... and you're still wrong.
"

So saying your argument and debate kills make you sound like a moonbat (with a picture no less) may be trolling according to the mod, but this makes it no less true and not name calling.

Pot meet kettle.
 
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