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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Lawsuits take time and money to bring about.
    The school broke no law.

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    I am not pleased with the boy scouts policy of discrimination. That dude got raped by right wing zealots.
    You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    He was victimized by unfair right wing fanatics.
    Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You right-wingers need to understand that neither you, nor your religious institutions, are above the law.
    That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

    Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

    I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    In most people's opinions actually.

    There is a fringe of elitests who do not agree.
    Got some facts to back up that asinine claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Installing morals is one thing. Forcing them down the child's throat is quite another. This is yet another gray area for right-wingers.
    No grey area here. Unless you think the state should step in and insure parents are "forcing" the values they hold down a child's throat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The thing is ... that school is not offering a PROPER education.


    They are licensed by the state. So obviously you are wrong again.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The school broke no law.



    You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.



    Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.



    That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

    Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

    I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.
    Yet more republican religious support spewage.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    They are licensed by the state. So obviously you are wrong again. [/QUOTE]

    That's speculation on your part. Having a license does not make one a good and unbiased educator.

    The conservative in you just lacks the courage to admit an error.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yet more republican religious support spewage.
    Thanks for proving me correct.

    "Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

    I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.
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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    That's speculation on your part. Having a license does not make one a good and unbiased educator.
    The school is licensed by the state of Ohio. If they did not offer a "proper education" the license would be taken away.

    Speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The conservative in you just lacks the courage to admit an error.
    An error did occur. Unfortunately it is on you because you don't understand state licensing of educational facility's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The school broke no law.



    You mean those "people" as many have been kicked out since then including children. The local, state and SCOTUS has upheld the membership as legal and private every time.



    Him and his father agreed to the rules. So how could he be a victim? That is just silly and makes no sense at all.



    That is the problem as many of us have shown multiple times, and the SCOTUS has upheld in every case so far, they broke no law.

    Now if you would post a link to at least one case were this is not true you mite have a case. So far you got nothing but hot air.

    I now you can't and will just spout more "right wing" this and "Nazi" that (Godwins law) and you will prove again nothing.
    Here is evidence that I am correct:

    It is also well-established that states have the power to regulate private schools. Based on the "high responsibility for education of its citizens, [a State] may impose reasonable regulations for the control and duration of basic education." Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 213 (1972). See also Board of Ed. of Cent. Sch. Dist. No.1 v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236, 246-247 (1968). The state's interest in an informed and self-sufficient citizenry capable of participating in a democratic society is generally cited to support the regulation of private schools. Yoder at 221; Kentucky State Board v. Rudasill, 589 S.W.2d 877, 883 (1979).

    The right to regulate is not without limitations, however. Since 80 percent of America's private schools are religious institutions, any regulation of these schools must conform to the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion. <--- Charter Schools did not do this.

    While the parameters of state regulation of private schools is to a large extent shaped by our federal constitution, it should also be noted that federal law on occasion directly influences the operations of private schools. For example, federal law prohibits discrimination in the admission policies of nonsectarian schools, (42 U.S.C. § 1981; Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)). And the relationship between state governments and private schools can be forged through federal grant statutes. For example, regulations implementing several federal funding grants direct that states and local educational agencies provide private school children with a genuine opportunity to participate, consult with private school officials and provide comparable benefits for the private school students. 34 C.F.R. 76.650 et seq., 299.6 et seq. But the actual regulation of private schools remains the prerogative of the state governments.

    Oh ... and as to your comment about there not being a lawsuit: YOU ARE WRONG:

    READ: England further threatens that, if he learns that Frost “is involved with alcohol or sex” at the prom, he will be expelled from Heritage. Frost’s family is planning a lawsuit against the school.

    Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

    YOU ARE WRONG
    WRONG
    WRONG

    The Frost Family IS PLANNING SUIT THE ASS END OUT OF HERITAGE NAZI TRAINING SCHOOL.

    Now. We have established that the Frosts ARE GOING TO SUE. DID I MENTION YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT... SEVERAL TIMES?

    As to your rubbish about him not being denied his education: AGAIN YOU WERE WRONG: ... OH THE SHOCK!!!

    READ: Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students. Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students.

    Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom

    Clearly ... I am not the one who is confused here.

    You people need to wake up and start being Americans again.

    Clearly the boy is being cheated of his education because some zealots feel the need to force their morals on him. This in unacceptable. It is a 1st Amendment violation and the school is going to pay out their crooked asses for what they have done.
    Last edited by Vader; 06-03-09 at 01:02 AM.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Here is evidence that I am correct:
    Finaly I get to trash evidence from a Free Republic blog LMAO!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It is also well-established that states have the power to regulate private schools. Based on the "high responsibility for education of its citizens, [a State] may impose reasonable regulations for the control and duration of basic education." Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 213 (1972). See also Board of Ed. of Cent. Sch. Dist. No.1 v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236, 246-247 (1968). The state's interest in an informed and self-sufficient citizenry capable of participating in a democratic society is generally cited to support the regulation of private schools. Yoder at 221; Kentucky State Board v. Rudasill, 589 S.W.2d 877, 883 (1979).
    This applies to the time and quality of the education. It does not apply to admissions, discipline and rules agreed to for entrance into said private facility.

    So it does not apply. Lets move on...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The right to regulate is not without limitations, however. Since 80 percent of America's private schools are religious institutions, any regulation of these schools must conform to the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion. <--- Charter Schools did not do this.
    So what? Again it does not apply here. Unless you want 80% of private schools shut down for not breaking any law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    While the parameters of state regulation of private schools is to a large extent shaped by our federal constitution, it should also be noted that federal law on occasion directly influences the operations of private schools. For example, federal law prohibits discrimination in the admission policies of nonsectarian schools, (42 U.S.C. § 1981; Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)). And the relationship between state governments and private schools can be forged through federal grant statutes. For example, regulations implementing several federal funding grants direct that states and local educational agencies provide private school children with a genuine opportunity to participate, consult with private school officials and provide comparable benefits for the private school students. 34 C.F.R. 76.650 et seq., 299.6 et seq. But the actual regulation of private schools remains the prerogative of the state governments.
    This also has nothing to do with the issue. Only nonsectarian schools are affected by what is highlighted in red, not religions institutions.

    Shall we move on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Oh ... and as to your comment about there not being a lawsuit: YOU ARE WRONG:

    READ: England further threatens that, if he learns that Frost “is involved with alcohol or sex” at the prom, he will be expelled from Heritage. Frost’s family is planning a lawsuit against the school.

    Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    YOU ARE WRONG
    WRONG
    WRONG

    The Frost Family IS PLANNING SUIT THE ASS END OUT OF HERITAGE NAZI TRAINING SCHOOL.

    Now. We have established that the Frosts ARE GOING TO SUE. DID I MENTION YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT... SEVERAL TIMES?
    That story is from May 8th of this year. Here is the followup...

    "He may have a point. Like the Taliban, these Christians reject music, dancing and other modern habits. I find them perfectly medieval but they have a right to run a school according to their beliefs so long as they meet the state requirements and regulations. If Frost finds the school to be in the dark ages, he and his family should not support such a place with their tuition dollars." - Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom JONATHAN TURLEY

    It has been almost 30 days since the suspension. No lawsuit as I have said, and it is probably not going to happen. It would be a major waist of their money as I said before. So no, I am not wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    As to your rubbish about him not being denied his education: AGAIN YOU WERE WRONG: ... OH THE SHOCK!!!

    READ: Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students. Principal Tim England says that Frost was supposed to receive his diploma on May 24 but will now receive an “incomplete” on his remaining assignments. He absence will be hard to miss: he is in a class of four students.

    Source: Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom
    This has nothing to do with being denied an education. Don't like the rules? Go to another school, problem solved. People transfer schools all the time for various reasons.

    People are also expelled from public and private schools for different reasons. No one is claiming they are being denied an education. That is just moronic in the extreme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Clearly ... I am not the one who is confused here.

    You people need to wake up and start being Americans again.

    Clearly the boy is being cheated of his education because some zealots feel the need to force their morals on him. This in unacceptable. It is a 1st Amendment violation and the school is going to pay out their crooked asses for what they have done.
    Hehehehehe!

    Fantasy is a wonderful thing.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Finaly I get to trash evidence from a Free Republic blog LMAO!



    This applies to the time and quality of the education. It does not apply to admissions, discipline and rules agreed to for entrance into said private facility.

    So it does not apply. Lets move on...



    So what? Again it does not apply here. Unless you want 80% of private schools shut down for not breaking any law?



    This also has nothing to do with the issue. Only nonsectarian schools are affected by what is highlighted in red, not religions institutions.

    Shall we move on?





    That story is from May 8th of this year. Here is the followup...

    "He may have a point. Like the Taliban, these Christians reject music, dancing and other modern habits. I find them perfectly medieval but they have a right to run a school according to their beliefs so long as they meet the state requirements and regulations. If Frost finds the school to be in the dark ages, he and his family should not support such a place with their tuition dollars." - Dirty Dancing: Christian High School Suspends Student for Attending a School Prom JONATHAN TURLEY

    It has been almost 30 days since the suspension. No lawsuit as I have said, and it is probably not going to happen. It would be a major waist of their money as I said before. So no, I am not wrong.



    This has nothing to do with being denied an education. Don't like the rules? Go to another school, problem solved. People transfer schools all the time for various reasons.

    People are also expelled from public and private schools for different reasons. No one is claiming they are being denied an education. That is just moronic in the extreme.



    Hehehehehe!

    Fantasy is a wonderful thing.

    You can choke the right-wing chicken all you want. It's still a chicken... and you're still wrong.

    You and your religious friends are NOT above the law.

    You need to realize that.

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    Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You can choke the right-wing chicken all you want. It's still a chicken... and you're still wrong.
    Absolutely brilliant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You and your religious friends are NOT above the law.
    No one is saying anyone is. We are saying (and you don't seem to get it) that no law was broken. As I have shown many, many times at this point, none have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You need to realize that.
    No. You need to realize that when you use the government take away rights from one private institution or even a person, you are often jeopardizing the rights of many people.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 06-03-09 at 01:50 AM.

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