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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Someone posted this on another forum: ""the Constitution and Supreme Court means we get a free ticket to discriminate against people we don't like (see: Masterpiece Cake shop case).

    Do conservative Christians really believe that the phrase "nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof " in the First Amendment of the Constitution and the Supreme Court's decision in the Masterpiece Cake case both mean they have the right to discriminate against gays and other "people we don't like"?
    Well I donít see what else it can mean. Why does this bother you?
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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well I don’t see what else it can mean. Why does this bother you?


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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    With all due respect this argument has been floated several times. What it misses is that constitution rights supersede local regulations. And there's a lot more depth to this subject. Selling a loaf of bread to a gay shouldn't comprise a violation of religious freedom; however providing services in support of a gay marriage could be. A blanket refusal to serve gays does, IMHO, meet the religious freedom test. A book store could, again IMHO, make a case to refuse to sell LGBT+ merchandise on religious grounds.

    And the bottom line is businesses refusing LGBT commerce effects their bottom line and public image.
    What Constitutional right allows discrimination in the market place? How is providing a service different from selling a product?

    The Bookstore analogy doesn't work. The book store refuses to sell one product to all customers alike, it doesn't discriminate. Bookstores are free to specialize, as Christian book stores do, but there is no bigotry. They sell the same thing to everyone. A Kosher deli doesn't discriminate by not selling ham. They don't sell ham to anyone. But ..... when you sell a service ...... let's say making lunch at a lunch counter and you don't sell lunch to everyone and there is a sign "Whites Only" you are discriminating. Refusing to sell a cake of any kind to a gay couple is discrimination. No where in anyone's Bible is there a prohibition against selling anything to gays.

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    What Constitutional right allows discrimination in the market place?
    What Constitutional right allows free speech?

    None, because the constitution doesn't grant rights, as the concept of a granted right is incoherent.

    Anyway, the idea that free people don't have the inherent right to do business with whom they choose is absurd, and is covered by the 9th Amendment.

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and hopefully that sort of nonsense will be struck down as being beyond legitimate government powers
    So it should be fine for a business owner to refuse to serve any woman not accompanied by a man? To refuse to serve white people?

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    forcing private businesses to deal with whom they do not want to deal with is too much government power in my view. If you assault or menace or abuse someone, there are already laws that punish such behavior. If a Hasidic Jewish business doesn't want to trade with someone who is a Nazi sympathizer, so be it
    How would they know they are a Nazi sympathizer? And where is such a thing prevented? Most of the things that are on the list when it comes to businesses not allowed to refuse service have to do with race, religion, marriage status, etc.

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Do guys have the right to force Christians to perform acts their religious beliefs proscribe? Works both ways.
    There are Christians who believe mixed marriages violate decrees in the bible. There are several religions that believe interfaith marriages, relationships violate their religious beliefs. Do they have a right to refuse such people business?

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    On top of that, a business transaction is a contract. It is a fundamental maxim of law that if you are forced into a contract, the deal is null and void.



    Me neither.
    Selling someone something is not a contract, it is a transaction.

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Capitalists are in business to make money, period. The market punishes businesses which discriminate based on superficial characteristics, that's why Democrats had to pass Jim Crow laws in order to force businesses discriminate based on race.
    Conservatives passed Jim Crow laws. Southern Democrats are not the same as liberals of today.

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    Re: "Supreme Court says we get a free ticket to discriminate "

    Quote Originally Posted by Individual View Post
    The Supreme Court ruling (7-2) was decided appropriately.
    IMO, "While another bakery provided a cake to the couple" and "although the couple could purchase other baked goods in the store.", it was a frivolous complaint to begin with. They were simply denied a custom created cake, based on the religious beliefs of the owner. And although I'm an atheist, I do support individuals Rights to practice their beliefs.
    They only lost because of they lower courts treatment of the Bakery, not for being refused a cake.

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