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    Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    David Barton, well-known Liar for Jesus and pseudo-historian, apparently believes his speech and that of others who have the same religious beliefs as his is more protected than ordinary, non-religious speech.

    David Barton Claims Constitution Gives Him ‘More Protection’ Because He’s Religious

    “Secular speech is protected by the Constitution,” Barton said, “but religious speech has several protections in the First Amendment.”

    Barton said that while everyone has a right to free speech, religious speech and expression are “protected by three clauses,” which means that his speech is entitled to “more protection, if you will, than just normal, secular speech.”

    He insisted that the idea that secular speech or expression should receive the same protections as religious speech or expression is unconstitutional because “that’s not what the First Amendment gave me.”

    “It gave me more protection because I get my speech but if it’s religious, I get it twice, and if it is religious with others, I get it three times,” Barton claimed. “In addition to free speech, there is also free exercise of religion, which often involves free speech. For me to exercise my faith means I will speak about it, I will live it out, I will activate it, I will do it. And, by the way, I have the right to assembly, so I can get together with other believers and we can act out our faith … While religious folks have at least three different forms of protection under the First Amendment for their speech, secular folks have their protections as well for speech and assembly, but they just don’t have the same religious motivations.”

    When Barton’s son, Tim, tried to clarify that all citizens “have the exact same protections that a religious person does,” Barton disputed that assessment.
    Those who are familiar with Barton and his ravings will know that Barton is only speaking of his specific version of Christianity when he is talking about "religion."
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    These interpretations are the express reason we see arguments based on someone's rights being more important than someone else's rights, said another way this is why we see rights weaponized to the point that someone else is marginalized.
    "Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    David Barton, well-known Liar for Jesus and pseudo-historian, apparently believes his speech and that of others who have the same religious beliefs as his is more protected than ordinary, non-religious speech.



    Those who are familiar with Barton and his ravings will know that Barton is only speaking of his specific version of Christianity when he is talking about "religion."
    This guy is a total ****ing idiot... how do you get more protection than 100% protection.

    """ Geee... you have 100% protection because you have freedom of speech but I have 200% because I have freedom of speech AND freedom of religion... so Check-Mate Bitch... I win because I have Speech AND Religion!! """

    what an uneducated douche bag...

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    These interpretations are the express reason we see arguments based on someone's rights being more important than someone else's rights, said another way this is why we see rights weaponized to the point that someone else is marginalized.
    Yep, try to get a personal appointment to discuss X with your congress critter - then try again but enclose a $10K campaign contribution.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    David Barton, well-known Liar for Jesus and pseudo-historian, apparently believes his speech and that of others who have the same religious beliefs as his is more protected than ordinary, non-religious speech.



    Those who are familiar with Barton and his ravings will know that Barton is only speaking of his specific version of Christianity when he is talking about "religion."
    Note that in all of this you never actually make an argument for why Barton is wrong. Not only that your source never makes an argument for why he’s wrong, nor do they ever articulate a valid criticism of Barton. Clearly this source you cited is just ravings of hateful atheists

    It’s like leftists don’t live in reality, oh wait you people literally believe men can become women, you don’t live in reality
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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Note that in all of this you never actually make an argument for why Barton is wrong. Not only that your source never makes an argument for why he’s wrong, nor do they ever articulate a valid criticism of Barton. Clearly this source you cited is just ravings of hateful atheists

    It’s like leftists don’t live in reality, oh wait you people literally believe men can become women, you don’t live in reality
    If secular speech is protected, and it is, then it's protected. How does adding another level onto "protected" make religious speech more protected? What can he do with this three levels of protection of speech that someone speaking about secular matters cannot? Please be specific if you want to defend this dumb idea.

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If secular speech is protected, and it is, then it's protected. How does adding another level onto "protected" make religious speech more protected? What can he do with this three levels of protection of speech that someone speaking about secular matters cannot? Please be specific if you want to defend this dumb idea.
    Because religion also entails practice and a practical need to meet religious obligations. It's not enough to be allowed to say homosexual "marriage" Is not marriage, if one is compelled by government violence to be a homosexual's slave like the liberals argue Jack Phillips should be. It's not enough to merely have a seal of confession, the state cannot compel ministers to divulge a sacramental confession, as California tried to do.

    It's not enough merely to say men and women are different when the radicals are now saying three year olds should be shot up with hormones to change their gender, and just wait you will see leftists trying to seize children to make them trans in the next ten years.
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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Because religion also entails practice and a practical need to meet religious obligations. It's not enough to be allowed to say homosexual "marriage" Is not marriage, if one is compelled by government violence to be a homosexual's slave like the liberals argue Jack Phillips should be. It's not enough to merely have a seal of confession, the state cannot compel ministers to divulge a sacramental confession, as California tried to do.

    It's not enough merely to say men and women are different when the radicals are now saying three year olds should be shot up with hormones to change their gender, and just wait you will see leftists trying to seize children to make them trans in the next ten years.
    WOW! The rational might begin to wonder where they too can find the 'knowledge' that allows the Very Conservative to make such proclamations - but then again they might not.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    WOW! The rational might begin to wonder where they too can find the 'knowledge' that allows the Very Conservative to make such proclamations - but then again they might not.
    Books. I would recommend

    Reflections on the Revolution in France by Sir Edmund Burke

    The Conservative Mind by Russell Kirk

    The Holy Bible (KJV) (Note, I'm not saying the KJV is the only valid version, as a Catholic I don't use it for study, however one should read it because it will allow you to read prose better

    These will get you started, you should also learn some basic philosophy, Plato and Aristotle in particular, Saint Thomas Aquinas is another, also read James Madison's notes on the Constitutional convention plus federalist and anti-federalist letters.

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    Re: Is Religious Speech more protected under the Constitution than Political Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Because religion also entails practice and a practical need to meet religious obligations. It's not enough to be allowed to say homosexual "marriage" Is not marriage, if one is compelled by government violence to be a homosexual's slave like the liberals argue Jack Phillips should be. It's not enough to merely have a seal of confession, the state cannot compel ministers to divulge a sacramental confession, as California tried to do.

    It's not enough merely to say men and women are different when the radicals are now saying three year olds should be shot up with hormones to change their gender, and just wait you will see leftists trying to seize children to make them trans in the next ten years.
    LOL - "homosexual's slave." I suppose restaurants who have to serve blacks are slaves too. But the point is a business open to the public can be forced to serve both and be slaves.

    So you didn't answer the question and decided for some reason to bring up your weird obsession with trans issues. Sounds like it will be scary in 10 years. Will the leftists be seizing children before or after the Global Jewish Cabal wipe out 2/3 of the population with chem trails and vaccines?

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