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Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitutional?

ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, because it does not establish any particular religion.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

IMO, it only implies that all religions will be treated equally by our government. We are not a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Muslim, or any other religious or non-religious form of government.

Even display of the 10 Commandments does not bother me.

1. You shall have no other Gods but me.
2. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Respect your father and mother.
6. You must not commit murder.
7. You must not commit adultery.
8. You must not steal.
9. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
10. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Although I simply ignore the first 4, which neither church nor government can impose upon me, as a result of the 1st amendment.
Perhaps if the 10th was eliminated, fewer people would complain about their display by government.
 
Bullseye said:
Bull****. You revisionist crap not withstanding, lies require conscious knowledge that what is being said is not the truth. Hindsight doesn't change that.
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Jefferson knew that Africans were human. He thus LIED about them having equal rights.
 
haymarket said:
Jefferson knew that Africans were human. He thus LIED about them having equal rights.
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Still pure bull****. You're ignorant of the culture of the times. IF you had any understanding of the temper of the times and the discussions going on to deal with slave vs free state disagreements you'd realize how foolish you sound.
 
Bullseye said:
Still pure bull****. You're ignorant of the culture of the times. IF you had any understanding of the temper of the times and the discussions going on to deal with slave vs free state disagreements you'd realize how foolish you sound.
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Resorting to personal insults against me does not make for a debate.

Thomas Jefferson was NOT ignorant of the culture of the times and said in his own writings that Africans were human beings but he denied them the same equals rights he claimed they had. He lied.
 
haymarket said:
Resorting to personal insults against me does not make for a debate.

Thomas Jefferson was NOT ignorant of the culture of the times and said in his own writings that Africans were human beings but he denied them the same equals rights he claimed they had. He lied.
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I never said Jefferson was ignorant of the culture of the times, I said YOU WERE. And you continue to prove it.
 
Bullseye said:
I never said Jefferson was ignorant of the culture of the times, I said YOU WERE. And you continue to prove it.
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It is Jefferson and his words and actions in the era that he lived which are being discussed. Stick to the issue and stop trying to make it personal.
 
haymarket said:
It is Jefferson and his words and actions in the era that he lived which are being discussed. Stick to the issue and stop trying to make it personal.
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Your opinion IS the issue.
 
joko104 said:
"[FONT="]We hold [U][B]these truths[/B][/U] to be self-evident, that [B][U]all men are created[/U][/B] equal, that they are endowed [U][B]by their Creator[/B][/U] with certain unalienable Rights..."

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#555555][FONT="] And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

The Declaration of independence declares that humans were "created" and states a reliance on "divine Providence." Isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state? [/FONT]
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What language in the constitution would prohibit the declaration of independence from being displayed?
 
Bullseye said:
Your opinion IS the issue.
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It is the words and actions of Jefferson which is the issue.

That is true no matter how much you would desire to make it personal.
 
haymarket said:
It is the words and actions of Jefferson which is the issue.

That is true no matter how much you would desire to make it personal.
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Haymarket is again engaged in cherry picking which parts of the constitution he wants to nullify based on Jefferson/slavery/he lied again, eh?

When in doubt I guess engaging in circular reasoning devoid of a logical argument remains a go to when you have nothing else.
 
haymarket said:
It is the words and actions of Jefferson which is the issue.

That is true no matter how much you would desire to make it personal.
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LOL, sure, tell yourself whatever it takes.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Haymarket is again engaged in cherry picking which parts of the constitution he wants to nullify based on Jefferson/slavery/he lied again, eh?

When in doubt I guess engaging in circular reasoning devoid of a logical argument remains a go to when you have nothing else.
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We are NOT talking about the Constitution. That is your error. Please pay better attention. It is the Declaration.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
No. It is a historical document of our nation.
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If every US historic document was to be displayed in every school more wall space would be required. The thousands of Confederate laws and proclamations, undoubtedly historic, alone would require hundreds of square metres.
 
haymarket said:
We are NOT talking about the Constitution. That is your error. Please pay better attention. It is the Declaration.
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Core concept is the same. Discrediting Jefferson based on using today's standards of social justice. Its a fool's errand and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Core concept is the same. Discrediting Jefferson based on using today's standards of social justice. Its a fool's errand and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows it.
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No it is not. They are two very separate and different things. Do try and learn so you can keep up with the discussion.

I am using the very own words of Jefferson as compared to his own actions to discredit him.
 
haymarket said:
No it is not. They are two very separate and different things. Do try and learn so you can keep up with the discussion.

I am using the very own words of Jefferson as compared to his own actions to discredit him.
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Which is the same argument you peddle with regards to the Constitution. I don't need to learn anything from you, what you teach is toxic.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Which is the same argument you peddle with regards to the Constitution. I don't need to learn anything from you, what you teach is toxic.
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One thing you obviously need to know by virtue of the error in your own post is the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
 
haymarket said:
One thing you obviously need to know by virtue of the error in your own post is the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
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Same argument to discredit a different document and the two are linked in many ways.

Your argument is semantic.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Same argument to discredit a different document and the two are linked in many ways.

Your argument is semantic.
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The two are very different as any student of American History knows. I would urge you to educate yourself on the matter.
 
haymarket said:
The two are very different as any student of American History knows. I would urge you to educate yourself on the matter.
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I urge you to quote using pompous phrasing to run cover for your ****ty arguments.

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OpportunityCost said:
I urge you to quote using pompous phrasing to run cover for your ****ty arguments.

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Why is your inability to distinguish between the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution a personal problem of mine that warrants your continual attacks?
 
haymarket said:
Why is your inability to distinguish between the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution a personal problem of mine that warrants your continual attacks?
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There it is, the whining. Calling your responses ****ty isn't calling you ****ty. I have a hard time believing this is anything more than a pathetic debate tactic because this has been explained to you hundreds of times now. You should go cry in a corner, maybe you will feel better about your posts.
 
OpportunityCost said:
There it is, the whining. Calling your responses ****ty isn't calling you ****ty. I have a hard time believing this is anything more than a pathetic debate tactic because this has been explained to you hundreds of times now. You should go cry in a corner, maybe you will feel better about your posts.
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Pointing out that you lack knowledge about the basics is not whining.... it is merely observing the truth.

And insulting me for doing so gets you nothing.
 
haymarket said:
Pointing out that you lack knowledge about the basics is not whining.... it is merely observing the truth.

And insulting me for doing so gets you nothing.
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I have not insulted you at all. The common denominator is not the documents but the author. You have tried this argument before, its a failure.
 
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