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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "[FONT="]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

    The Declaration of independence declares that humans were "created" and states a reliance on "divine Providence." Isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state?
    No. Thomas Jeferson wrote both the Declaration and the phrase separation of church and state and didnt see any conflict between the two.

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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "[FONT="]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

    The Declaration of independence declares that humans were "created" and states a reliance on "divine Providence." Isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state?
    Not unconstitutional in the slightest...

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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "[FONT="]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

    The Declaration of independence declares that humans were "created" and states a reliance on "divine Providence." Isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state?
    Though it speaks of divinity it does not delineate and is more rhetorical about western beliefs at the time. So, no it's not a "religious" statement. The Ten Commandments ARE a religious statement.

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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    President Trump has declared a Declaration Of Independence of which I fully endorse.

    MAGA!

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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Displaying our countries birth announcement is not unconstitutional. But it does contain several lies of which were quoted in the OP.
    Bull****. You revisionist crap not withstanding, lies require conscious knowledge that what is being said is not the truth. Hindsight doesn't change that.
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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nope, because it does not establish any particular religion.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

    IMO, it only implies that all religions will be treated equally by our government. We are not a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Muslim, or any other religious or non-religious form of government.

    Even display of the 10 Commandments does not bother me.

    1. You shall have no other Gods but me.
    2. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
    3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
    4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
    5. Respect your father and mother.
    6. You must not commit murder.
    7. You must not commit adultery.
    8. You must not steal.
    9. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
    10. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

    Although I simply ignore the first 4, which neither church nor government can impose upon me, as a result of the 1st amendment.
    Perhaps if the 10th was eliminated, fewer people would complain about their display by government.

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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Bull****. You revisionist crap not withstanding, lies require conscious knowledge that what is being said is not the truth. Hindsight doesn't change that.
    Jefferson knew that Africans were human. He thus LIED about them having equal rights.
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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Jefferson knew that Africans were human. He thus LIED about them having equal rights.
    Still pure bull****. You're ignorant of the culture of the times. IF you had any understanding of the temper of the times and the discussions going on to deal with slave vs free state disagreements you'd realize how foolish you sound.
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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Still pure bull****. You're ignorant of the culture of the times. IF you had any understanding of the temper of the times and the discussions going on to deal with slave vs free state disagreements you'd realize how foolish you sound.
    Resorting to personal insults against me does not make for a debate.

    Thomas Jefferson was NOT ignorant of the culture of the times and said in his own writings that Africans were human beings but he denied them the same equals rights he claimed they had. He lied.
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    Re: Is displaying the Declaration of Independence in government buildings and schools unconstitution

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Resorting to personal insults against me does not make for a debate.

    Thomas Jefferson was NOT ignorant of the culture of the times and said in his own writings that Africans were human beings but he denied them the same equals rights he claimed they had. He lied.
    I never said Jefferson was ignorant of the culture of the times, I said YOU WERE. And you continue to prove it.
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