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    Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    The topic of this discussion is whether or not Islam is protected by the Constitution.

    Muslims do not like our way of life and come here to change our way of life into their way of life. They do not respect our laws and the Qur'an and Sunnah does not teach muslims to respect the laws of the kafir. They come here to murder us which is why this topic should lead to some very interesting discussion.

    I will quote from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (the interpretation of the Qur'an) to make my case that Islam is sedition to the Constitution.
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Noble Qur'an 2:193, Madinah Period

    "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).* But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

    *footnote: "(V.2:193)
    (A) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No.24).
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    Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,

    "Fight them until there is no more fitna and the deen belongs to Allah alone.
    This is a command to fight every idolater in every place according to those who say that it abrogates the previous ayats. According to those who say that it does not abrogate other ayats, it means: fight those about whom Allah says, "if they fight you". The former is the more likely meaning. It is an unqualified command to fight without any precondition of hostilities being initiated by the unbelievers. The evidence for that is in the words of Allah, "and the din belongs to Allah alone." The Prophet said, " I was commanded to fight people until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' The ayat and hadith both indicate that the reason for fighting is disbelief because Allah says, "until there is no more fitna," meaning disbelief in this case. So the goal is to abolish disbelief and that is clear.
    Ibn 'Abbas, Qatada, ar-Rabi', as-Suddi and others said that fitna here means shirk and the subsequent injury to the believers caused by it. The root of fitna is testing and trial, derived from the term for testing silver when it is put in the fire to separate the impurities from the pure metal.

    If they cease, there should be no enmity towards any but wrongdoers.
    If they stop and become Muslim or submit by paying jizya in the case of the people of the Book. Otherwise they should be fought and they are wrongdoers and only transgress against themselves. What is done to the wrongdoers is called enmity since it is the repayment of enmity. Wrongdoing and injustice involve enmity and repayment of enmity is also called enmity. The wrongdoers are either those who initiate fighting or those who remain entrenched in disbelief and fitna."

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

    "{Fitnah} meaning, disbelief and worshipping of others with Allah. {and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).} It refers to the fact that the Religion of Allah (Islam) must be prevalent over other religions. {But if they cease,} meaning, you are stop fighting them the moment they stop fighting the believers, and thereto Islam they turned; for whoever fights them after that, he is then a transgressor; and that there should be no transgression except against the polytheists and wrongdoers. Narrated Nafi' that Ibn 'Umar said that two men there came to him during the dispute of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said: "People are fighting each others. What keeps you from taking part in the fighting despite your being Ibn 'Umar and the Companion of the Prophet (PBUH)?" He said: "What keeps me as such is that Allah prohibited the killing of a Muslim." They said: "Has not Allah said: {And fight them until there is no more Fitnah}?" Ibn 'Umar said: "We fought until there were no more Fitnah and all the religion (worship) was for Allah and you want to fight till the Fitnah befalls and not to let the religion be for Allah."
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Yes, it is. /End Thread
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Muslims are permitted to lie to disbelievers if it advances Sharia law. This means they can lie under oath.

    Sahih Muslim, Vol.6, Hadith [6633] 101 - (2605),

    "Chapter 27. Prohibition Of Lying, And What Is Permitted Thereof
    [6633] 101 - (2605) Humaid bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf narrated that his mother, Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abi Mu'ait -- who was one of the first Muhajir women who swore alligiance to the Prophet--told him that she heard the Messenger of Allah say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, saying good things and conveying good things."
    Ibn Shihab said (in his Hadith that she said): "I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband."

    Sahih Muslim, Vol.2 (Summarized edition), Book 55, Chapter 49, hadith 1810,

    "(49) CHAPTER. Permissible lies
    1810. Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abu Mu'ait (who was from the first emigrants) narrated that she heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "He who makes peace between people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
    Ibn Shihab said: "I heard nothing where what people say can be permissible as lies except in three: war, to make people reconcile and a man's talk to make his wife happy."
    In another narration: Umm Kulthum said: "I heard nothing permissible as a lie except these three."
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    All muslims are expect to fight jihad against disbelievers until there are no non-muslims left. This is part of the pillars of faith in Islam.

    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 26, Hadith number 36,

    "(26) Chapter. Al-Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is part of the faith.
    36.Narrated Abu Hurairah:The Prophet said, "Allah assigns for a person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah's Cause and nothing causes him to do so except belief in Allah and in His Messengers, that he will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in battle as a martyr)" The Prophet added: "Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any Sariya (an army-unit) going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His Cause."

    Comment: "Al-Jihad (Holy Fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of it's pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior. (His Word - La ilaha illallah - none has a right to be worshiped but Allah), and His Religion Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanishes. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries escape from his duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."
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    Sahih Muslim, Vol.1, Book 1, Chapter 8, Hadith [124] 32 - (20),

    "Chapter 8. The Command To Fight The People Until They Say La ilaha illallah Muhammad Rasul-Allah, And Establish Salat, And Pay The Zakat, And Believe In Everything That The Prophet Brought. Whoever Does That, His Life And His Wealth Are Protected Except By Its Right, And His Secrets Are Entrusted To Allah, the Most High. Fight Those Who Withhold Zakat Or Other Than That Is One Of The Duties Of Islam And The Imam Should Be Concerned With The Laws Of Islam

    [124] 32 - (20) It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: "When the Messenger of Allah died and Abu Bakr succeeded (as Khalifah) after him, and some of the Arabs reverted to Kufr, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said to Abu Bakr: 'How can you fight the people when the Messenger of Allah said: 'I have been commanded to fight the people until they say La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshiped but Allah), and whoever says La ilaha illallah, his wealth and his life are protected from me except for a right that is due, and his reckoning will be with Allah"?' Abu Bakr said: 'By Allah! I will most certainly fight those who separate Salat and Zakat, for Zakat is what is due on wealth. By Allah, if they withhold from me a rope that they used to give to the Messenger of Allah, I will fight them for withholding it.' 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said, 'By Allah, as soon as I saw that Allah had opened Abu Bakr's heart to the idea of fighting, I knew that he was right'"
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    Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,

    "Chapter 2. Stern Warning Against Forsaking Jihad

    3099. It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said, "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy ." (Sahih)
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    I did not even cover the bases with this here. My question is this: Where in the Constitution does it say that a foreign army can come in under the guise of emigrants and exterminate the entire population of non-muslims? Since it is Islamic doctrine to murder all disbelievers until there is no more disbelief, this would make such teachings illegal in the United States and not protected by the Constitution.

    If anyone disagrees with this then tell me where I have gone wrong?
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    Yes, it is. /End Thread
    So could you please show me in the Constitution and Bill of Rights where a worldview that demands the deaths of all disbelievers is legal and authorized by the Constitution?
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ploughboy View Post
    I did not even cover the bases with this here. My question is this: Where in the Constitution does it say that a foreign army can come in under the guise of emigrants and exterminate the entire population of non-muslims? Since it is Islamic doctrine to murder all disbelievers until there is no more disbelief, this would make such teachings illegal in the United States and not protected by the Constitution.

    If anyone disagrees with this then tell me where I have gone wrong?
    Given that 99.9% of Muslims in America have not killed a single person, perhaps that is a good indication that your bolded statement is a load of bull.

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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ploughboy View Post
    The topic of this discussion is whether or not Islam is protected by the Constitution.

    Muslims do not like our way of life and come here to change our way of life into their way of life. They do not respect our laws and the Qur'an and Sunnah does not teach muslims to respect the laws of the kafir. They come here to murder us which is why this topic should lead to some very interesting discussion.

    I will quote from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (the interpretation of the Qur'an) to make my case that Islam is sedition to the Constitution.
    There are no thoughtcrimes in the U.S. and the absolute freedom of belief is protected by the Free Exercise Clause.
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    Re: Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

    "Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press" - First Amendment

    Freedom of religion goes for Muslims just as much as they go for anyone else.

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