Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

LowDown said:

Yes, just like Stalin went for the Kulaks.

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It's important to remember it's a "christian" in this thread calling for the persecution of other religions.

Ploughboy said:

Oh, atheists have been attacking us for decades and look where it got you: Islam! Europe is the decay of the world this rot begins with the lawlessness of atheism which brought Europe an Islamic invasion. But we Christians already know what you believe. Had Hillary won many of us would be arrested and eventually we'd be exterminated just like Hitler did to the Jews. Atheism is a mania to the mind.

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Just get rid of religious protections for the US at your own peril. The liberal atheist socialists are ready to lead you to the gulags.

Ploughboy said:

Had Hillary won many of us would be arrested and eventually we'd be exterminated just like Hitler did to the Jews.

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Congratulations on winning the Hilarious Self-Victimization Quotation of the Day.

LowDown said:

People who immigrate to the US and seek citizenship are expected to pledge allegiance to the Constitution and even to take up arms in defense of the United States. I don't accept the premise that a non-Muslim can read the Koran and tell people what it implies in terms of how Muslims think they ought to act. If you want to know what a religion requires of a believer then ask a believer. Right now we have millions of Muslims who live and work productively and peacefully in the US. That ought to tell us what they think their belief requires of them.

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I'm in agreement. Except for the exceptions...those who have taken up large areas of some cities in America...such as Dearborn, have now started electing muslims onto their city councils...much talk of sharia law. This simply cannot work in America under our constitution.

The hypocrisy seen by you radical liberals is how you are willing to defend the rights of fellow totalitarians (i.e., Islam) but unwilling to lift a hand for all the abuses against the Christian faith. But relax...its all good, don't worry, you're all written in the pages of prophecy: your words and actions and everything you say and do today was first spoken by Jesus Christ. So we Christians know who you serve and it certainly isn't God. You attack the rights of Christians everywhere and then have the gull to defend Islam. This goes beyond hypocrisy; its insanity!

Ploughboy said:

Oh, atheists have been attacking us for decades and look where it got you: Islam! Europe is the decay of the world this rot begins with the lawlessness of atheism which brought Europe an Islamic invasion. But we Christians already know what you believe. Had Hillary won many of us would be arrested and eventually we'd be exterminated just like Hitler did to the Jews. Atheism is a mania to the mind.

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Atheism isn't the cause of Europe's malaise. In my opinion, it's just a symptom. Having become frustrated with the impossibility of perfecting human kind they are simply giving up. It is nihilism and guilt. If Europeans simply want to lay down and die then why shouldn't Muslims come in and take over? No need to worry about Russia doing that because they are suffering an even greater malaise. The only other source of any kind of vigor in this world is China, and they have no interest in significant territorial expansion beyond their own defense needs.

itsforthekids said:

I'm in agreement. Except for the exceptions...those who have taken up large areas of some cities in America...such as Dearborn, have now started electing muslims onto their city councils...much talk of sharia law. This simply cannot work in America under our constitution.

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No, and for now I have faith that if they try to operate on Sharia law in violation of US law then they will get their prangs whacked good and hard.

Ploughboy said:

The topic of this discussion is whether or not Islam is protected by the Constitution.

Muslims do not like our way of life and come here to change our way of life into their way of life. They do not respect our laws and the Qur'an and Sunnah does not teach muslims to respect the laws of the kafir. They come here to murder us which is why this topic should lead to some very interesting discussion.

I will quote from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (the interpretation of the Qur'an) to make my case that Islam is sedition to the Constitution.

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Yes, it is protected by the Constitution. No, they do not come here to murder us, someone is living to you.

RabidAlpaca said:

It's important to remember it's a "christian" in this thread calling for the persecution of other religions.



Just get rid of religious protections for the US at your own peril. The liberal atheist socialists are ready to lead you to the gulags.



Congratulations on winning the Hilarious Self-Victimization Quotation of the Day.

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Yeah, that was way over the top.

Islam does not recognize the rights of women. This includes liberal women.

Would Hillary have a chance to become President in an Islamic country?

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.9, Book 92, Hadith No.7099,

"Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."
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Noble Qur'an 4:15 (Muhsin Khan):

"And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way*."

*footnote: "(V.4:15) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the Verse of the Surat An-Nur (V.24:2), ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married, when four witneses testify to the crime."


If a muslim women is raped, four men must testify she was not raped.
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Women are considered mentally deficit,

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Chapter 12, hadith No. 2658,

"(12) CHAPTER. The witness of women.

And the Statement of Allah: "...And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women..." (V.2:282)."

2658. Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
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Child molesting legalized,

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.7, Book 67, Chapter 60, Hadith 5158,

"(60) CHAPTER. Whoever consummated his marriage with a lady of nine years of age.

5158. Narrated 'Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

From Ibn Ishaq "The life of Muhammad" (The Sira)

1461 "When Mohammed saw Ummul Fadl she was a crawling baby and he said, "If she grows up and I am still alive, I will marry her." At this time he was about 55."

Muhammad lusted after a crawling baby! This is why in some Islamic countries men are allowed to marry babies! Its the Sunnah of Muhammad to do so!
Muslims don't name their kids "Muhammad" for nothing!
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Raping of non-muslim women is legal in Islam...as long as a muslim (or gang of muslims) can catch them.

Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol.2, Chapter 43/44, Hadith 2155,

"Chapter 43/44. Regarding Intercourse With Captives

2155. Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri narrated that the Messenger of Allah sent an expedition to Awtas on the Day of Hunain, and they met the enemy, fought them, and won the battle. They captured some slaves, but some of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah felt uncomfortable in having relations with them because of their pagan husbands. At this, Allah revealed: "And chaste, free women, except for those whom your right hand possesses..." meaning that they are allowed for you after their waiting periods have finished." (Sahih)

This is why Europe has such an alarming high rape epidemic! It doesn't matter if the husbands are still alive either. Sex slavery and rape was the occupation of Muhammad and his companions.

How is this authorized by the Constitution? Its not! Islam is an invasion of all things good and nobody, either conservative or liberal, should be defending this kind of evil! This is one issue liberals and conservatives need to agree upon.

LowDown said:

Yeah, that was way over the top.

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You liberals really don't care what happens to Americans, do you? Its like a sickness with you. You defend all things antichrist and persecute all things Christ. Islam is not on your side. Islam is for Islam and no human rights are recognized in Islam. Even the earth itself has no rights in Islam! How much longer will you liberals be so dull minded about this issue? How many more terrorist attacks will it take before you arrive to the conclusion I have arrived to?

There will come a time when every single person in America will wished they had banned every single muslim from the nation. But hopefully under the right leadership we can at least stand a fighting chance against Europe when it comes one big Islamic Empire....complete with all the nuclear weapons of Europe. You people do not see what is going on because none of you understand religion. You all assume its all the same and its not.

Ploughboy said:

Islam does not recognize the rights of women. This includes liberal women.

Would Hillary have a chance to become President in an Islamic country?

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.9, Book 92, Hadith No.7099,

"Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."
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Noble Qur'an 4:15 (Muhsin Khan):

"And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way*."

*footnote: "(V.4:15) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the Verse of the Surat An-Nur (V.24:2), ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married, when four witneses testify to the crime."


If a muslim women is raped, four men must testify she was not raped.
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Women are considered mentally deficit,

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Chapter 12, hadith No. 2658,

"(12) CHAPTER. The witness of women.

And the Statement of Allah: "...And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women..." (V.2:282)."

2658. Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
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Child molesting legalized,

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.7, Book 67, Chapter 60, Hadith 5158,

"(60) CHAPTER. Whoever consummated his marriage with a lady of nine years of age.

5158. Narrated 'Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

From Ibn Ishaq "The life of Muhammad" (The Sira)

1461 "When Mohammed saw Ummul Fadl she was a crawling baby and he said, "If she grows up and I am still alive, I will marry her." At this time he was about 55."

Muhammad lusted after a crawling baby! This is why in some Islamic countries men are allowed to marry babies! Its the Sunnah of Muhammad to do so!
Muslims don't name their kids "Muhammad" for nothing!
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Raping of non-muslim women is legal in Islam...as long as a muslim (or gang of muslims) can catch them.

Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol.2, Chapter 43/44, Hadith 2155,

"Chapter 43/44. Regarding Intercourse With Captives

2155. Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri narrated that the Messenger of Allah sent an expedition to Awtas on the Day of Hunain, and they met the enemy, fought them, and won the battle. They captured some slaves, but some of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah felt uncomfortable in having relations with them because of their pagan husbands. At this, Allah revealed: "And chaste, free women, except for those whom your right hand possesses..." meaning that they are allowed for you after their waiting periods have finished." (Sahih)

This is why Europe has such an alarming high rape epidemic! It doesn't matter if the husbands are still alive either. Sex slavery and rape was the occupation of Muhammad and his companions.

How is this authorized by the Constitution? Its not! Islam is an invasion of all things good and nobody, either conservative or liberal, should be defending this kind of evil! This is one issue liberals and conservatives need to agree upon.

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Again, quoting the Koran without reference to how believers actually interpret it is bogus.

Muslims in the US accept that women have equal rights.
Muslims are no more likely to rape than anyone else.
Same with child molesting.

The Bible has been used to justify slavery, and scriptural quotes can be found that seem to support that. We don't interpret it that way any more. If you want to know what the Bible means then ask a believer, non a non-believer. I'm sure it's the same with the Koran.

The ultimate goal of Islam is to destroy the earth and all life therein. Now as a Christian I believe in Christ' second coming. But one would think you atheists might think a little harder about this considering your views on death after death. Allah is Satan and Satan's goal is to destroy mankind and the earth ad here's the proof:

Qur'an 2:193 commands the death of all disbelievers worldwide. But can we find a command in the Qur'an to use nukes against disbelievers?

Noble Qur'an 8:60,

"And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly."

So the Qur'an calls for the use of missiles which includes nuclear missiles. And this way when muslims nuke a nation they can just say Allah nuked when they did nuke (Qur'an 8:17). And since Paradise in a mystical realm (a celestial realm), and the earth in the mind of Allah was just a place of testing the pious, then destroying all life on earth is no big deal for muslm leaders. Here's the proof:

Allah Destroys All Life On Earth:

Noble Qur'an 18:7-8,

7.Verily, we have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in deeds. [i.e those who do good deeds in the most perfect manner, that means to do them (deeds) totally for Allah's sake and in accordance to the legal ways of the Prophet].
8. And verily, We shall make all that is on it (the earth) bare dry soil (without any vegetation or trees).

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

Verse 7: "Then Allah, the Almighty states that He doomed the life of this world to removal, making it a temporary abode, adorned with transitory beauty, only as place of trail, and not a place of settlement saying: {Verily! We have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in deeds.} It is authentically stated that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "Verily, this world is sweet and green (flourishing), and Allah makes you generations succeeding one another, so He is watching what you will do. Beware of women, for the first trails from which the Children of Israel had suffered was that of women."

Verse 8: "Then Allah, the Almighty affirms the fact that this world is doomed to removal, vanishing, bareness and destruction saying: {And verily! We shall make all that is on it (the earth) a bare dry soil.} i.e. Allah says: "We will set it to debris, destruction, all demolishing all that is on its surface, making it useless, all the while setting it to bareness, producing no vegetations." Mujahid said: "This world will be turned into a dry barren plain." Qatadah said: "It will be turned into a plain on which there are no trees or vegetation."

Noble Qur'an 38:15,

"And these only wait for a single Saihah [shout (i.e. the blowing of the Trumpet by the angel Israfil)] there will be no pause or ending thereto [till everything will perish except Allah (the only God full of majesty, bounty and honour)]."

Noble Qur'an 55:26-27,

26. Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish.
27. And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will remind forever."

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Imam Bukhari, Chapter 436, Hadith 962,

"Chapter 436: [This World Is More Worthless In The Sight Of Allah Than A Dead Goat]
962. Jabir b.'Abdullah said: "The Messenger of Allah passed the market on his way in from the high part of the city and the people were on both sides of him. He passed a dead goat with both ears cut off and reached out and took the ear. Then he said, 'Who would like to buy this for a dirham? The people said, 'Why would we want to when it is worthless? What would we do with it?' He said, 'Would you like to have it?' They said, 'No.' He said that to them three times and they said, 'No, by Allah! If it were alive, it would have a defect as it has no ear. Why would we want it when it is dead?' The Prophet said, 'By Allah, this world is less in the sight of Allah than this dead goat is to you.' "

The antithesis to John 3:16!!!

The Holy Bible:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10).

Revelation 11:18, Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

"The nations were angry,
but Your wrath has come.
The time has come
for the dead to be judged
and to give the reward
to Your servants the prophets,
to the saints, and to those who fear Your name,
both small and great,
and the time has come to destroy
those who destroy the earth."

Muslims are permitted to nuke and destroy the earth and all life therein,

Noble Qur'an 8:60,

"And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly."

Noble Qur'an 8:17,

"You killed them not, but Allah killed them. And you (Muhammad) threw not when you did throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair trial from Him. Verily, Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

Since muslims can update their beliefs, this verse can also be written to fit verse 60 of the same chapter to say:

"You killed them not, but Allah killed them. And you (Muslim) nuked not when you did nuke, but Allah nuked, that He might test the believers by a fair trial from Him. Verily, Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

And then there is supporting evidence in the Qur'an for the above update:

Noble Qur'an 9:14,

"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

Noble Qur'an 9:52,

"Say: "Do you wait for us (anything) except one of the two best things (martyrdom or victory); while we await for you either that Allah will afflict you with a punishment from Himself or at our hands. So wait, we too are waiting with you."

Noble Qur'an 18:7-8,

7.Verily, we have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in deeds. [i.e those who do good deeds in the most perfect manner, that means to do them (deeds) totally for Allah's sake and in accordance to the legal ways of the Prophet].
8. And verily, We shall make all that is on it (the earth) bare dry soil (without any vegetation or trees).

So here again, not only do muslims work the hand of Allah, but they are to destroy the earth and all life therein. And somehow Islam is a religion of peace? There is no peace in Islam, only death.

Ploughboy said:

You liberals really don't care what happens to Americans, do you? Its like a sickness with you. You defend all things antichrist and persecute all things Christ. Islam is not on your side. Islam is for Islam and no human rights are recognized in Islam. Even the earth itself has no rights in Islam! How much longer will you liberals be so dull minded about this issue? How many more terrorist attacks will it take before you arrive to the conclusion I have arrived to?

There will come a time when every single person in America will wished they had banned every single muslim from the nation. But hopefully under the right leadership we can at least stand a fighting chance against Europe when it comes one big Islamic Empire....complete with all the nuclear weapons of Europe. You people do not see what is going on because none of you understand religion. You all assume its all the same and its not.

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Muslims are not going to be going away anytime soon. In the US we have had remarkable good luck with Muslims, who blend in very well for the most part simply because, according to studies done of this, they are treated with equality and dignity here. Maybe they will be a source of vigor that helps save the US from the overall Western malaise.

They have less luck in Europe, where European class customs tend to enforce division.

By the way, most people would not mistake me for a liberal.

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Joke of the day. London suffered three major terrorist attacks in one month after electing a muslim mayor. This kind of terrorism never happened before. His excuse was that Islamic terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city! But London never had to deal with the body parts of little girls being flung everywhere before Islamic emigrants flooded into the nation. Tokyo is a much larger city than London and not one single terrorist attack! So he does not protect non-muslim Londoners at all. The record amount of terrorist attacks happened in London while he was mayor.

He's fighting jihad against Britain as commanded by Muhammad in the Sunnah and Allah in the Qur'an. But Allah is just the sock-puppet of Muhammad so its all Muhammad's words if you want to break it down.

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Coldjoint, is that you?

We cannot discriminate against the Muslims as long as we let people like the MS 13 gang members into this country.

Ploughboy said:

Islam does not recognize the rights of women. This includes liberal women.

Would Hillary have a chance to become President in an Islamic country?

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Why not? There have been plenty of female leaders of Islamic countries.

LowDown said:

In the US we have had remarkable good luck with Muslims

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmedslmeiUc

LowDown said:

who blend in very well for the most part

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhkjoQOy8bM

LowDown said:

simply because, according to studies done of this, they are treated with equality and dignity here.

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They were treated with equality and dignity in Lebanon and now Lebanon is a muslim country. They are treated with equality and dignity in Israel and look how the Palestinians return the love :roll:
No matter where they go, as history testifies, death and sorrow follow.

LowDown said:

Maybe they will be a source of vigor that helps save the US from the overall Western malaise. .

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Boy you really have faith in your muslim buddies, don't you. Maybe you are trying to say that they might be the source of victory over Christians and conservatives. So you vote for millions of emigrants hoping to raise an army to take over the nation and then you win and its all rainbows and unicorns after that? Do you know anything...anything at all...about Islamic history? If you knew anything then you would know how muslims broke all treaties and alliances with those they allied with in battle. What happened to the Byzantine empire? They trusted muslims. Muhammad already said in a hadith before his death to betray the Byzantine empire. They have made these plans for you and your children and grandchildren. You have got to be one warped individual to entertain Islamic emigration. Islam is a violation of everything our Constitution represents.

LowDown said:

They have less luck in Europe, where European class customs tend to enforce division.

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Less luck? Less luck? Muslims are conquering Europe! Wise up!

LowDown said:

By the way, most people would not mistake me for a liberal.

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Oh really, is that so? I know of no conservatives who defend mass genocide of Americans. But you apparently are alright with it.

Aristaeus said:

Why not? There have been plenty of female leaders of Islamic countries.

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Name one. Name me one female musliim leader from an Islamic country..

You do also realize that Muhammad, not you, not even an Islamic scholar, has more authority than Muhammad. Muhammad has the final say in all matters of Islam. Had you actually read the post you responded to you would have seen how women in Islam are nothing but trash bags to abuse.

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Less luck? Less luck? Muslims are conquering Europe! Wise up!

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No, more like Europeans are just dying off because they are too enlightened and secular to breed, and Muslims are filling a vacuum, mostly in response to an invitation for young people to come in and do the labor that there are no young Europeans to do.

Oh really, is that so? I know of no conservatives who defend mass genocide of Americans. But you apparently are alright with it.

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Muslims don't want to kill us. They want the good things that America has to offer. They want to come here and be Americans. Some of them do regard Americans as libertines too consumed with consumerism and easy sex and drugs, and maybe they have a point. In any case, they are here. Where I work, in Houston, Halal eateries are all over, signs in Sanskrit are common, and people in traditional Muslim dress can be seen out and about. There are lots of doctors and other professional people who come from the Middle East or are second generation Americans. They are smart, hard workers and seem to buy the whole American pie. There is not a scintilla of radical Islam among them.

Don't worry! Be happy!

Ploughboy said:

Noble Qur'an 2:62,

"Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve*."

Noble Qur'an 2:109,

"Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command*. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things."

Noble Qur'an 9:29,

"Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Noble Qur'an 5:69,

"Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah, in His Messenger Muhammad, and all that was revealed to him from Allah), and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, --- whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." *

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Removing all the 'interpretations' the verses are clear, people of the book are accepted and shall have no fear or reason to grieve. If they don't accept Islam as THIER religion fear not as if and when Allah appears He'll deal with the situation.

During Muslim occupation Jews and Christians paid a tax but were also exempt from military service.

No where does it claim a 'true' follower of Allah MUST kill people of the book... try thinking for yourself and not someone else's 'footnotes'... :roll:

Now address your false claims about London and Tokyo... :2wave:

Ploughboy said:

I have not quoted from just any sources here. I have quoted from the Qur'an: the most important book of Islam. I have quoted from the Tafsir: not just any muslim is allowed to interpret the Qur'an. Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Tafsir Al-Qurtubi are classical tafsirs and accepted by all Sunni muslims which make up 75% of the Islamic world. I have quoted from the Hadith which is the traditions of Muhammad and part of the Sunnah

Noble Qur'an 3:31,

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

So every word I quote from the Sunnah (Seerah and Hadith) is also Islamic Scripture. Now you clearly did not read anything I posted about what muslims believe and/or are willing to pretend they don't believe it. But a muslim cannot even make into Islam Paradise without waging jihad against disbelievers.

Noble Qur'an 57:25,

"Indeed We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance (justice) that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power (in matters of war*), as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help Him (His religion) and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty."

*Footnote: "(V.57:25) Paradise is under the blades of swords (Jihad in Allah's Cause).
a) Narrated Al-Mughirah bin Shu'bah: Our Prophet told us about the Message of our Lord that..."Whoever amongst us is killed (in Jihad in Allah's Cause) will go to Paradise." 'Umar asked the Prophet, "Is it not true that our men who are killed (in Jihad in Allah's Cause) will go to Paradise and their's (i.e. those of the pagan's) will go to the (Hell) Fire?" The Prophet said, "Yes."
b) Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, ! Allah's Messenger said. "Know that Paradise is under the shades of the sword (Jihad in Allah's cause)." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.73 and its chapter No.22)."

This is what Islam teaches. My case is clear and muslims who follow this belief system are terrorists.

None of you have answered my question: Where in the Constitution does it say that a foreign army of psychopaths can enter into our nation and kill all disbelievers until there is no more disbelief? Just show me where it says that and I'll shut up about it. I do not think you can find anything that excuses mass extermination of all Americans who don't convert to Islam.

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And as I already said, just about any belief system or set of values can be warped or manipulated to suit an agenda. That is all you are doing here---warping things to suit your anti-constitutional agenda.

I see you haven't bothered to actually pay attention to nuance, but then again you and other anti-constitutional bigots never do when you are trying to attack innocent people. Muslims are allowed to pretend not to be Muslim in order to save their lives, or the lives of those around them; it has nothing to do with your fevered delusions that every Muslim is plotting to murder someone.

Considering that the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims don't kill anyone, your argument is downright laughable.

Your case is a joke and nothing more than yet another attempt to attack the constitution in the name of hatred and bigotry. The 0.0000001% of Muslims who agreed with you are being actively combated by American and Allied troops--- including thousands of Muslims.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say psychopaths can try to destroy it because they hate and fear a minority. The founding fathers would spit on you and your ilk.

notquiteright said:

Removing all the 'interpretations' the verses are clear, people of the book are accepted and shall have no fear or reason to grieve. If they don't accept Islam as THIER religion fear not as if and when Allah appears He'll deal with the situation.

During Muslim occupation Jews and Christians paid a tax but were also exempt from military service.

No where does it claim a 'true' follower of Allah MUST kill people of the book... try thinking for yourself and not someone else's 'footnotes'... :roll:

Now address your false claims about London and Tokyo... :2wave:

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Have you read anything I have posted? The few nice verses there were in the Qur'an were abrogated by the violent ones which muslims are sill to follow since they are not abrogated.

Noble Qur'an 2:62,

"Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve*."

*footnote: "(V.2:62) This Verse (and Verse 5:69), mentioned in the Qur'an should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn Abbas (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.1, Page 323) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 3:85: "And whosoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be one of the losers." [i.e. after the coming of Prophet Muhammad on earth, no other religion except Islam, will be accepted from anyone]."

Noble Qur'an 2:109,

"Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command*. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things."

*footnote: "(V.2:109) The provision of this verse has been abrogated by the (V.9:29). (Tafsir At-Tabari)"

Noble Qur'an 9:29,

"Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Noble Qur'an 5:69,

"Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah, in His Messenger Muhammad, and all that was revealed to him from Allah), and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, --- whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." *

*footnote: "(V.5:69) This verse (V.5:69) and (Verse 2:62) should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn 'Abbas (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.1, Page 323) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the (V.3:85). And after the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, no other religion except Islam will be accepted from anyone."
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Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Book 56, Chapter 94, Hadith 2925,

"(94) CHAPTER. Fighting against the Jews.
2925. Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "You (Muslims) will fight against the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e., slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Book 56, Hadith 2926,

"Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Messenger said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight against the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be behind will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.' "

Ploughboy said:

Joke of the day. London suffered three major terrorist attacks in one month after electing a muslim mayor. This kind of terrorism never happened before. His excuse was that Islamic terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city! But London never had to deal with the body parts of little girls being flung everywhere before Islamic emigrants flooded into the nation. Tokyo is a much larger city than London and not one single terrorist attack! So he does not protect non-muslim Londoners at all. The record amount of terrorist attacks happened in London while he was mayor.

He's fighting jihad against Britain as commanded by Muhammad in the Sunnah and Allah in the Qur'an. But Allah is just the sock-puppet of Muhammad so its all Muhammad's words if you want to break it down.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...London#Republican_attacks_during_the_Troubles

You were saying?

Oh, and Tokyo would beg to differ. They had a major incident about twenty years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

Do you have any evidence that the Mayor of London is working for terrorists? Or this yet another one of your frothing at the mouth fantasies?

Ploughboy said:

Have you read anything I have posted? The few nice verses there were in the Qur'an were abrogated by the violent ones which muslims are sill to follow since they are not abrogated.

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Perhaps a handful of Muslims follow those verses -- but the vast majority do not.

We have more than 3 million Muslims in the United States and all but a dozen or so, have caused us any grief.

I don't care for Islam because of the way it treats its women -- like second-class citizens, but I'm also aware that fundamental Christians are often of a similar mind.

Christianity is about 200 years more evolved than current Islam, but Islam is coming along, and soon (hopefully) we'll see an end to all fundamental religion.