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Tim the plumber

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/opinion/project-blitz-christian-nationalists.html

The second, more difficult category for Project Blitz consists of bills intended to promote the teaching and celebration of Christianity in public schools and elsewhere. These bills are a means of spreading the message that Christian conservatives are the real Americans, and everybody else is here by invitation only.
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In another piece of model legislation, the blitzers’ goal is to get state legislatures to resolve that, notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s recent decision on same-sex marriage, “This state supports and encourages marriage between one man and one woman and the desirability that intimate sexual relations only take place between such couples.” We have known for a long time that Christian nationalists seek to control what goes on in other people’s bedrooms. The striking thing about this model bill is the cruelty with which it advances the argument. The bill claims that people in same-sex relationships have a “higher instance of serious disease.”
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All would be equal before the law, just some more equal than others.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well except the Buddhists maybe.
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You musta missed the recent stories about the Rohingya.

Sooner or later, all religions will want to enter into a Faustian pact with the state if you let them.
 
ataraxia said:
You musta missed the recent stories about the Rohingya.

Sooner or later, all religions will want to enter into a Faustian pact with the state if you let them.
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Of course I have not missed them, but that is more an anomaly with Buddhism. In contrast, its a feature of most other religions.
 
Tim the plumber said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/opinion/project-blitz-christian-nationalists.html



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All would be equal before the law, just some more equal than others.
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And then there's this:

"Many women have experienced horrific abuses within the power structures of our Christian world," Beth Moore, an evangelical teacher, wrote in a letter. ~~Snip~~ It asks the convention to confess that throughout the church's history, men have "wronged women, abused women, silenced women, objectified women by ungodly comments and ungodly acts, preyed on women, left women unprotected, failed to report injustices and evils committed against women to civil authorities established by God and failed to act out of the overflow of the image of Christ."

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country's largest evangelical denomination, is headed for a showdown over its treatment of women that could not only have far-reaching ramifications for the church.

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In practice, the policy has reshaped the church "according to the philosophy of the conservative men who launched a campaign to take over the Southern Baptist Convention 40 years ago."

Rooted in the first chapter of Timothy, which says Jesus doesn't "allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man," the doctrine institutionalized the man's role as the "servant leader" of the family, with his wife's submission seen as an act of grace. As a consequence, women have gradually but inexorably become second-class citizens within the church.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/s...s-face-reckoning-over-treatment-women-n880216
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Jack Hays said:
President Trump is not a morally upstanding man, writes Salena Zito, yet he has the love of millions of Christian conservatives.
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What Salena Zito has tapped into there, though doesn't explicitly discuss it, is that Christian doctrine and the bible does not command perfection. In fact, most of the more prominent conduits of God's law on Earth in the bible were flawed people. Saul (and every other apostle), Job, David, Jonah, Mary Magdalene etc. etc. were all sinners, but all also played their part in the teachings of God's law. Saying "Trump is a SINNER!!" doesn't really have much of an effect on anyone who understands the Bible and the basic tenets of Christianity. Yes, Trump is a sinner, so is everyone.
 
American said:
The fastest growing religion is Islam, and very popular in the prison system.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy...uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Based on polling, the number of Muslims supporting Shariah Law, in the US, is rising.
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Sorry, I am not buying from an extreme right wing anti-Muslim bunch. Moreover, it still has nothing to do with what I posted. Evangelical as a group remain some of the biggest assholes and hypocrites meddling in politics and other people's lives.
 
prometeus said:
Sorry, I am not buying from an extreme right wing anti-Muslim bunch. Moreover, it still has nothing to do with what I posted. Evangelical as a group remain some of the biggest assholes and hypocrites meddling in politics and other people's lives.
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There are many assholes and hypocrites in politics.
 
jmotivator said:
What Salena Zito has tapped into there, though doesn't explicitly discuss it, is that Christian doctrine and the bible does not command perfection. In fact, most of the more prominent conduits of God's law on Earth in the bible were flawed people. Saul (and every other apostle), Job, David, Jonah, Mary Magdalene etc. etc. were all sinners, but all also played their part in the teachings of God's law. Saying "Trump is a SINNER!!" doesn't really have much of an effect on anyone who understands the Bible and the basic tenets of Christianity. Yes, Trump is a sinner, so is everyone.
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True, but lets face a basic fact. If you had a Democrat with the same moral record as Trump, they would feel much different and you wouldn't be saying this.
 
jmotivator said:
What Salena Zito has tapped into there, though doesn't explicitly discuss it, is that Christian doctrine and the bible does not command perfection. In fact, most of the more prominent conduits of God's law on Earth in the bible were flawed people. Saul (and every other apostle), Job, David, Jonah, Mary Magdalene etc. etc. were all sinners, but all also played their part in the teachings of God's law. Saying "Trump is a SINNER!!" doesn't really have much of an effect on anyone who understands the Bible and the basic tenets of Christianity. Yes, Trump is a sinner, so is everyone.
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It's funny how that was not the story when the Clinton/Lewinsky affair was going on. These same Christians were all livid with rage and all holier-than-thou and telling us how they were the standard-bearers of morality.

Come on, the hypocrisy, confusion, and contradictions of the Evangelicals has made them lose all credibility with anyone with half a brain. They are just a political tribe now.
 
Tim the plumber said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/opinion/project-blitz-christian-nationalists.html



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All would be equal before the law, just some more equal than others.
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Its funny and sad at the same time how upset people get that equal rights are winning and the AMERICANS that they see as lessers are being treated equal.
Its shame that they are trying to drag Christianity and Christians through the md with them because they do not represent either. In the end these complete nutters will lose, they already have they just dont know it yet.
 
rocket88 said:
True, but lets face a basic fact. If you had a Democrat with the same moral record as Trump, they would feel much different and you wouldn't be saying this.
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The fact is I wouldn't support them for a whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with how good of a Christian I thought they were.
 
ataraxia said:
It's funny how that was not the story when the Clinton/Lewinsky affair was going on. These same Christians were all livid with rage and all holier-than-thou and telling us how they were the standard-bearers of morality.
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"These same Christians"? :roll:

Clinton wasn't impeached for an affair, he was impeached for lying under oath.

Come on, the hypocrisy, confusion, and contradictions of the Evangelicals has made them lose all credibility with anyone with half a brain. They are just a political tribe now.
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No contradictions on my part, I can't speak to your personal stereotype of Christians, though.
 
ataraxia said:
It's funny how that was not the story when the Clinton/Lewinsky affair was going on. These same Christians were all livid with rage and all holier-than-thou and telling us how they were the standard-bearers of morality.

Come on, the hypocrisy, confusion, and contradictions of the Evangelicals has made them lose all credibility with anyone with half a brain. They are just a political tribe now.
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About 50% of Protestants and Catholics voted for Bill Clinton second time around. Did the left write breathless story after story about how the Christian right has lost credibility ?? The left has never given Christian credibility, so stop with appeal to hypocrisy.

Who would you vote for, Nero or Caligula ??
 
jmotivator said:
"These same Christians"? :roll:

Clinton wasn't impeached for an affair, he was impeached for lying under oath.
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The Christians didn’t impeach him. They were eager to judge. They were outraged about the morality of a presidential infidelity, not about some legal technicality of lying under oath. I guess you “forgot”.

For some reason Clinton never got the “mulligan” they so easily bestowed on Trump.
 
ataraxia said:
The Christians didn’t impeach him. They were eager to judge. They were outraged about the morality of a presidential infidelity, not about some legal technicality of lying under oath. I guess you “forgot”.

For some reason Clinton never got the “mulligan” they so easily bestowed on Trump.
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"The Christians". Still painting with a broad brush, eh? And no, I think you as incapable of reading the minds of "The Christians" as you are at mind reading with anyone else.

And what Mulligan? You realize that the rumors of Clinton's infidelities were well know before his 1992 run, right? And you realize he was elected twice? He split the protestant vote in 1992, and won the Catholic vote in 1992 and 1996 by 12 points and 20 points respectively (source). So your premise is broken nonsense built of your own set of bigotries and not backed up by the data.

And, by the way, if you are planning to blame the 1996 Protestant vote on infidelity rumors don't bother. The Lewinski scandal broke in 1998, well after that.
 
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