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Organized Religion, State & Gods (Part 2)

Flanders

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Let us say there really are supernatural forces concerned with the individual’s spiritual well-being in the next world. A quick look at the past two thousand years should tell everyone the workload is just too much for one God. I know this is so because even the Pope has trouble getting through to the boss. For as long as I can remember, every time it was reported “Pope Prays For Peace” I knew a lot of people were about to die somewhere in the world.

On the other hand, Muslim extremists bent on killing infidels appear to have a direct line to their guy —— they thank Allah for answering their prayers after every successful act of terrorism. (I have to admit God is Good —— to terrorists.)

Roman Catholicism does have saints on the payroll to handle minor requests, but if it is a serious matter you have to get in touch with God. At least with an army of equal gods on call there is a good chance your special favorite will be available to hear your request in times of personal distress.

As it stands now, if you want your prayers to be heard where it counts you are expected to go through a middleman to reach God’s ear before your petition is considered. God’s earthly gatekeepers will never admit it at a prayer meeting, but they frown upon direct personal contact with the CEO whenever that contact is too far removed from the collection plate.

Of course, the salespeople merchandising assorted gods would still expect a small donation. Nevertheless, a bit of healthy competition in the hereafter marketplace should keep donations, and political power, at reasonably low levels; benefits not to be taken lightly.

The ideal is for every god to stay out of government altogether; however, being part realist and part cynic the best I can expect is severely restricted religious participation in the mundane affairs of severely limited government. A thousand or so full-fledged gods cutting up the take does not leave much room for mischief caused by the one God sharpshooters splitting the pot, and the soul pool, among themselves.

Even though I have a hankering for more gods, I am convinced that all of those one God religions is a negative thing. The followers of every supreme God always end up trying to assert their own guy’s Right to occupy the apex unchallenged. And now we have to contend with the Socialist priesthood pushing their God of economic morality in addition to the zealots of every other one and only True God strangling mankind. God! —— Will humanity never see an end to religious meddling?

Having said the above, I have to admit it is possible for every person in the world to belong to one of the traditional organized religions. Every religion except Socialism would gladly embrace everyone. However, Socialism’s true believers must feed on the labors of others without giving anything of value in return; so there must always be a large percentage of the population excluded from joining the congregation.

Throughout history, the hierarchies of organized religion took all the best of it because they, too, lived on the labors of their flocks. In return for a church’s riches priesthoods offered the laity God, and a better life in the hereafter. As Socialism gains political influence through taxation its liberal priests must finally be exposed as the frauds they are because they cannot offer eternal life to the people who do the work. Indeed, Socialists dare not bestow church membership on the working class because it is absolutely impossible for everyone to live well on tax dollars. Somebody has to do the work and that somebody is NOT going to be a Socialist priest.

In truth, one God religions sell eternal salvation to the workers while Socialism promotes tax slavery without offering any spiritual reward; leading to the obvious conclusion —— Socialism is one sorry-ass religion when you get right down to it.

Finally, a breathing spell for mankind is the only thing killing organized religion’s freakazoid’s will accomplish. If everyone of them is eliminated they will be back in a century or two unless decent men figure out how to change human nature.

See Part 1
 
Way too much bold.

I hope no one replies.
 
Why God why were these not put in the same thread?
 
To Rogue Valley: You did.

To OrphanSlug: As Far As I know there is a 5,000 character limit on messages.

(Most message boards have higher limits. They range between 10 and 20 thousand.)

What I mean is reply to your own thread and break it up (which is not very wise either but you get the point.)
 
What I mean is reply to your own thread and break it up (which is not very wise either but you get the point.)

To OrphanSlug: Thanks. That is another way. Next time I will try it that way.
 
How do you know that God is good to terrorists? You don't have any idea if they get their 72 virgins.
 
...The ideal is for every god to stay out of government altogether; however, being part realist and part cynic the best I can expect is severely restricted religious participation in the mundane affairs of severely limited government. A thousand or so full-fledged gods cutting up the take does not leave much room for mischief caused by the one God sharpshooters splitting the pot, and the soul pool, among themselves.

Even though I have a hankering for more gods, I am convinced that all of those one God religions is a negative thing. The followers of every supreme God always end up trying to assert their own guy’s Right to occupy the apex unchallenged. And now we have to contend with the Socialist priesthood pushing their God of economic morality in addition to the zealots of every other one and only True God strangling mankind. God! —— Will humanity never see an end to religious meddling?

Having said the above, I have to admit it is possible for every person in the world to belong to one of the traditional organized religions. Every religion except Socialism would gladly embrace everyone. However, Socialism’s true believers must feed on the labors of others without giving anything of value in return; so there must always be a large percentage of the population excluded from joining the congregation.

Throughout history, the hierarchies of organized religion took all the best of it because they, too, lived on the labors of their flocks. In return for a church’s riches priesthoods offered the laity God, and a better life in the hereafter. As Socialism gains political influence through taxation its liberal priests must finally be exposed as the frauds they are because they cannot offer eternal life to the people who do the work. Indeed, Socialists dare not bestow church membership on the working class because it is absolutely impossible for everyone to live well on tax dollars. Somebody has to do the work and that somebody is NOT going to be a Socialist priest.

In truth, one God religions sell eternal salvation to the workers while Socialism promotes tax slavery without offering any spiritual reward; leading to the obvious conclusion —— Socialism is one sorry-ass religion when you get right down to it.

Finally, a breathing spell for mankind is the only thing killing organized religion’s freakazoid’s will accomplish. If everyone of them is eliminated they will be back in a century or two unless decent men figure out how to change human nature.
See Part 1[/B]

To call socialism a religion is as off base as to call Protestantism a belief. It's too vague. I would agree that communism, like Libertarianism, is LIKE a religion, as its tenets are not naturally achievable, but it's not magic, just wishful thinking. Yes, many ass wipes go around pretending they can create a libertarian world by undoing the evolved social structure of this world, but what they are really doing is not creating Libertarianism, they're killing the weak. On the other hand, those who dream of a communist future are naïve about our nature, as you mentioned, the unchanging truth of mankind can't be promised away. We can't all live that communist ideal because it suppresses ambition, a naturally occurring desire in many of us.

So, while I appreciate your cynical view of religion, I don't agree that Socialism is any kind of religion. It's not a specific thing really, it's an attitude. Unlike a religion, there is no way to make Socialism bad for humanity because, by definition, it must be good for it. God can order us murdered arbitrarily but a Socialist would have to prove it's necessity. The distinction is important.

Your personal god of greed is one you can't deny, though. If you rail against the idea that morality should ever be applied to finances, you are on the wrong side of whatever. The idea that money, the primary ethical hurdle in existence, must be separate from ethics couldn't echo more loudly and falsely if you screamed it up Trump's ass. You are someone who writes with moments of eloquence followed by long spells of hateful gibberish. Wow.
 
You are someone who writes with moments of eloquence followed by long spells of hateful gibberish. Wow.

To D_NATURED: Putting me on your Ignore List will solve your problem.
 
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