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Mike Pence’s selective piety

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Is VP Pence clueless or a hypocrite?

Mike Pence’s selective piety

“The overwhelming majority of Americans enjoy their faith, and we have all different kinds of faith in this country,” Pence said during an event broadcast on C-Span. “My Christianity is the most important thing in my life. I try and start every day by opening the good book. My wife and I try to have a prayer together before I leave every morning. I can honestly tell you my faith sustains me in all that I do.”
(. . .)
Pence had a lot to say about a religious joke by a comedian who is paid to say such things, but nothing about the immoral example his boss has set. It’s in stark contrast to when Pence presented himself as deeply devout Christian on a talk show he hosted years ago and declared adultery a serious offense that said something disturbing about leaders who commit such acts.

It’s why Pence’s words about his faith ring hollower by the day. They sound hypocritical, situational, unprincipled. They also illustrate just how much damage white evangelical Christians have done to the religion they profess to love. They’ve created a new reality, one in which leaders’ actions don’t matter, so long as they have the right ideology and can help secure a few long-sought political victories. It underscores why liberal Christians in the South are going to have to lead the flock out of this self-imposed spiritual wilderness.

What will be the consequences of this selective blindness?
If religious leaders can make God-centered arguments in favor of an unrepentant man like Trump – and plenty of high-profile white Christian conservatives have – no behavior can be deemed out-of-bounds. It has put a stain on the religion that won’t be easily washed away, no matter how piously people like Pence speak about the faith.
 
Is VP Pence clueless or a hypocrite?



What will be the consequences of this selective blindness?

Hypocrite. He cannot be clueless to his boss's un-Christian like behavior and by not standing up against it, he appears to condone it.

This is a guy who won't go to a dinner party without his wife but won't stand up and denounce someone having an extra-marital affair with a porn star because of who that guy is? gtfohwtbs
 
I honestly think Pence as president would be worse than Trump.

“My Christianity is the most important thing in my life."

That's exactly what makes you so onerous. You would place [your interpretation of] religion above constitution and country.
 
I honestly think Pence as president would be worse than Trump.



That's exactly what makes you so onerous. You would place [your interpretation of] religion above constitution and country.

He would be hobbled by the fact that he was not elected president and the lingering stench of the president he chose to serve under
 
I think the most used contortion by evangelicals, to explain their support for Trump, is that God uses flawed people. In reality it is just an excuse to support someone that they know will promote far right politics without having to deal with his obvious moral failings. Pence is an evangelical and a politician, which allows him to both excuse Trump for all of his many flaws, and strategically avoid acknowledging anything that may negatively affect his career. Is he clueless or is he a hypocrite? Both, he is an evangelical politician.
 
There are only two kind of evangelicals. Low life piece of crap hypocrites and primitive thinking uneducated minions.
 
Is VP Pence clueless or a hypocrite?



What will be the consequences of this selective blindness?

He is the President in waiting and if he does not survive trump then it is Ryan.
 
Hypocrite. He cannot be clueless to his boss's un-Christian like behavior and by not standing up against it, he appears to condone it.

This is a guy who won't go to a dinner party without his wife but won't stand up and denounce someone having an extra-marital affair with a porn star because of who that guy is? gtfohwtbs
Some just don't understand the Word.
Show me one who does not sin.

Vice president Pence loves God.
Some hate both.

We're hear often that Trump has not repented. Most don't even know what that means.

M-Bob
 
Is VP Pence clueless or a hypocrite?



What will be the consequences of this selective blindness?

This is laughable. A socialist judging a Christian on Christian values. :lol:
 
This is laughable. A socialist judging a Christian on Christian values. :lol:

"laughable"? Yes, your level of ignorance is definitely laughable. There are socialists who are Christians and there are 'Christians' who behave in very un-Christ-like ways.

You may have heard of a guy named George Will, it is my understanding that he calls himself "conservative". A couple months past he wrote a column which focused on VP Pence. Mr Will does know a few polysyllabic words and how those words may be used to provide the readers with his, George Will's, opinions.

Trump is no longer the worst person in government
Donald Trump, with his feral cunning, knew. The oleaginous Mike Pence, with his talent for toadyism and appetite for obsequiousness, could, Trump knew, become America’s most repulsive public figure. And Pence, who has reached this pinnacle by dethroning his benefactor, is augmenting the public stock of useful knowledge. Because his is the authentic voice of today’s lickspittle Republican Party, he clarifies this year’s elections:
Vote Republican to ratify groveling as governing.

More recently, yesterday, Frank Bruni wrote a piece in the NYTimes laying out his views on just how 'Christian' Mike Pence would be as President:
Mike Pence, Holy Terror
Are you sure you want to get rid of Donald Trump?

There are problems with impeaching Donald Trump. A big one is the holy terror waiting in the wings.

That would be Mike Pence, who mirrors the boss more than you realize. He’s also self-infatuated. Also a bigot. Also a liar. Also cruel.

To that brimming potpourri he adds two ingredients that Trump doesn’t genuinely possess: the conviction that he’s on a mission from God and a determination to mold the entire nation in the shape of his own faith, a regressive, repressive version of Christianity.
Trade Trump for Pence and you go from kleptocracy to theocracy.
. . . and The Handmaid's Tale approaches reality.
 
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Weird. I'd love to hear what conversations about faith and marriage must sound like between Trump and Pence.
 
Quote...

" “My Christianity is the most important thing in my life. I try and start every day by opening the good book. My wife and I try to have a prayer together before I leave every morning. I can honestly tell you my faith sustains me in all that I do.” "

Later in the quote...

" They also illustrate just how much damage white evangelical Christians have done to the religion they profess to love. "

Liberal/Demo tactic on attacking someone who is proud to express and practice his religious freedom shared with his wife and now he's damaging his religion using the term "white" against him.
The race card B0t exe has definitely been enabled here.
 
Quote...

" “My Christianity is the most important thing in my life. I try and start every day by opening the good book. My wife and I try to have a prayer together before I leave every morning. I can honestly tell you my faith sustains me in all that I do.” "

Later in the quote...

" They also illustrate just how much damage white evangelical Christians have done to the religion they profess to love. "

Liberal/Demo tactic on attacking someone who is proud to express and practice his religious freedom shared with his wife and now he's damaging his religion using the term "white" against him.
The race card B0t exe has definitely been enabled here.

The problem that some who call themselves Christian refuse to acknowledge in their claims of oppression - not all Americans are Christians AND not all Americans who call themselves Christian agree with the claims of religious persecution.

Pence is not attacked for his faith, he is attacked for his attempts to force his specific beliefs to be enshrined in to secular law.
 
The problem that some who call themselves Christian refuse to acknowledge in their claims of oppression - not all Americans are Christians AND not all Americans who call themselves Christian agree with the claims of religious persecution.

Pence is not attacked for his faith, he is attacked for his attempts to force his specific beliefs to be enshrined in to secular law.

Give that man a cigar !
 
"laughable"? Yes, your level of ignorance is definitely laughable. There are socialists who are Christians and there are 'Christians' who behave in very un-Christ-like ways.

You may have heard of a guy named George Will, it is my understanding that he calls himself "conservative". A couple months past he wrote a column which focused on VP Pence. Mr Will does know a few polysyllabic words and how those words may be used to provide the readers with his, George Will's, opinions.



More recently, yesterday, Frank Bruni wrote a piece in the NYTimes laying out his views on just how 'Christian' Mike Pence would be as President:
. . . and The Handmaid's Tale approaches reality.

Bruni talks like an idiot, and Will went off the deep end. I would trust their opinion on Christianity anymore than I'd trust yours.
 
Some just don't understand the Word. Show me one who does not sin. Vice president Pence loves God. Some hate both. We're hear often that Trump has not repented. Most don't even know what that means. M-Bob

Oh some of we understand all too well the Two Faced nature of 'good' Christians...

This isn't about being sinless before casting the first stone but standing up for the principles many rabid right religious ranters claim is the bedrock of our nation. 'Good' christians free quite free to denounce their fellow citizens for 'sinful' behavior (gay rights comes to mind) but not the leader of the nation. They claim great concern for the unborn but forget Matthew 25:31-46.

Most do know what repented means and Trump doubles down on his greed, gluttony, adultery, lies and putting no God before the 'true' god. Keeping the Sabbath holy... yanno the basic 'good' Christian stuff.... :peace
 
Bruni talks like an idiot, and Will went off the deep end. I would trust their opinion on Christianity anymore than I'd trust yours.

So you only believe what you WANT to believe and 'trust' only the opinions that support your ideas...

There are a few words for that.... quite a few not very nice... :peace
 
I honestly think Pence as president would be worse than Trump.



That's exactly what makes you so onerous. You would place [your interpretation of] religion above constitution and country.

Absolutely! Pence would be worse for the United States and the world than Donald Trump. Trump is about as bad as it gets. Pence would be a little bit worse.

Under Pence the Christian extremists would make major strides toward establishing an American Christian theocracy. We see the nation slide toward a real life Handmaiden's Tale and it wouldn't be pretty.
 
Is VP Pence clueless or a hypocrite?



What will be the consequences of this selective blindness?
I can't wait to see them excuse Trump paying for an abortion
 
Ahh, Jesus wasn't a Christian. Jesus WAS a socialist.

Yeah, well Jesus is God; he can do that if he wants. But I don't trust regular people, we see how that goes.
 
This is laughable. A socialist judging a Christian on Christian values. :lol:

A thousand atheists pulling in the same direction could not topple Christianity faux monument in American life as effectively as one Donald Trump and the band of Evangelical apologists kissing his butt.
 
Yeah, well Jesus is God; he can do that if he wants. But I don't trust regular people, we see how that goes.

God ain't gonna like the bold.

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Exodus 20:1-3)
 
Yeah, well Jesus is God; he can do that if he wants. But I don't trust regular people, we see how that goes.

VP Pence is merely keeping the lid on this nuclear time bomb of a President.

I pray every day for Pence, just as I pray every hour for a Pence/Kasich administration to bring our Great Nation to Healing.
 
The problem that some who call themselves Christian refuse to acknowledge in their claims of oppression - not all Americans are Christians AND not all Americans who call themselves Christian agree with the claims of religious persecution.

Pence is not attacked for his faith, he is attacked for his attempts to force his specific beliefs to be enshrined in to secular law.

There it is. :thumbs:

If the vast majority of Americans wanted to believe as Pence does they would. There is nothing preventing Americans from believing as Pence does. Most Americans do not believe as Pence does. As such most Americans do not want to live in the world Pence wants to live in. The major problem is people like Pence will not and cannot accept that.
 
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