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Scottsdale won't allow Satanic Temple prayer at council meeting

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Scottsdale won't allow Satanic Temple prayer at council meeting

Scottsdale will bar the Satanic Temple from leading a scheduled prayer at a City Council meeting in July, city officials announced Monday.

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Satanic Temple spokesman Stu de Haan said the city has "pulled the rug out from under us" after twice approving plans for the invocation — first for April 5 and then for July 6 when the group had to reschedule for logistical reasons.

"Here at the last minute they decided to make up or construct some reason or pretext not to have us speak," de Haan said. "They had to have made it up, because why would they approve us in the first place then?"

Yesterday, the Satanic Temple filed suit against the City of Scottsdale for violating their rights of religious freedom and for government suppression of a specific religious belief.

In the lawsuit filing, it quotes the mayor's own website
Some say just let them do a “Satanic Prayer” and walk out. That’s not good enough. Rather than walk out, we’re standing up to this ridiculing of religion.

Some things are worth fighting for.

These invocations celebrate our diversity, as we have heard respectful and thoughtful messages from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and countless other faiths.
The Satanists filing notes that there have been no invocations by Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or "countless other faiths" since the day they were rejected.

Who do you think will win this lawsuit?
 
The Satanists usually win these things.
 
This was news in 2016,

Yesterday, the Satanic Temple filed suit against the City of Scottsdale for violating their rights of religious freedom and for government suppression of a specific religious belief.

In the lawsuit filing, it quotes the mayor's own website The Satanists filing notes that there have been no invocations by Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or "countless other faiths" since the day they were rejected.

Who do you think will win this lawsuit?

If the rule of law is to upheld the satanists
 
Wishful thinking these people would lose but they have the right to fart.
May God blessed them.
 
Scottsdale should allow the church of Botox to do the invocations.....glad that I live one mile away from Snottsdale
 
King Diamond is a practitioner of LaVeyan Satanism. I wouldn't want to hear him 'pray' but I would go to a concert :mrgreen:

 
What is it that Scottsdale is trying to prevent? To be honest I don't know anyone in Scottsdale who gives a fat rat's ass about who gives the invocations at the city council meetings. I thought the city council had decided to simply have a moment of silence before the city council meetings.

It is entirely possible, however, that the city council decided to stop having a moment of silence when they discovered that Buddhists wholeheartedly supported that option as silence is generally a standard part of many Buddhist practices. :shock:

Can't have that crap. Probably the same people who don't want a Satanist invocation believe that Buddhists are damn near the same as Satanists, you know, except for their shaved heads. So silence is probably out now on account of that.

I have Jewish friends who live in Scottsdale. I don't believe there is even one who gives a damn about which religion does the invocation as long as equality is extended to all religions. Jews are so used to being subjected to public Christian prayers and invocations and witnessing that unless the prayers and invocations call for hatred and violence toward others Jews don't likely pay attention anyway.

My opinion is that all faiths should have an equal opportunity to provide public invocations or that there should be no invocations, which would be my personal choice. The attempt to summon the deity to do favors should be something practiced by an individuals or groups of individuals who share the same deity. I support that. A lot of people who live in Scottsdale are not professed Christians.
 
The Satanists filing notes that there have been no invocations by Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or "countless other faiths" since the day they were rejected.

Who do you think will win this lawsuit?

So avoidable, but now that we have gone down this road they somewhat have a case. Terrible.
 
Satanism is not serious religion. Its nothing more than a demented and diabolical group of mentally deranged people who's only ambition in life is to illegalize Christianity. I fail to see how that is protected under a Constitution that was signed mainly by Christians! Without Jesus Christ the Satanic Church can't even stay in business. The only real goal of Satanism is the take away rights from law abiding Christians. Its a useless cult to our American society and one that definitely should not be shown any respect or be recognized as a serious religion.
 
Satanism is not serious religion. Its nothing more than a demented and diabolical group of mentally deranged people who's only ambition in life is to illegalize Christianity. I fail to see how that is protected under a Constitution that was signed mainly by Christians! Without Jesus Christ the Satanic Church can't even stay in business. The only real goal of Satanism is the take away rights from law abiding Christians. Its a useless cult to our American society and one that definitely should not be shown any respect or be recognized as a serious religion.

Not to take away your rights but to take away your privilage.

Try not having any religion involved with the state's business.
 
Not to take away your rights but to take away your privilage.

Try not having any religion involved with the state's business.

Oh, you mean remove the tax except status from the church? You would love that wouldn't you. My church, for example, is not run by the government. It is tax exempt because the money made comes from tithe which is used to pay the bills. Donations are given to charity and my church as well as many others do a great deal to help the homeless and those in need. What are Satanic churches doing? The answer: NOTHING!

What Satanists want is for the government to take over the churches and this will automatically happen when the tax exemption is removed. Churches will not be able to stay afloat without exemption and most will shut down almost immediately. Those that stay open will become government churches. This is what Satanist want.
 
Oh, you mean remove the tax except status from the church? You would love that wouldn't you. My church, for example, is not run by the government. It is tax exempt because the money made comes from tithe which is used to pay the bills. Donations are given to charity and my church as well as many others do a great deal to help the homeless and those in need. What are Satanic churches doing? The answer: NOTHING!

What Satanists want is for the government to take over the churches and this will automatically happen when the tax exemption is removed. Churches will not be able to stay afloat without exemption and most will shut down almost immediately. Those that stay open will become government churches. This is what Satanist want.

No.

I want the tax exempt status removed because they are a scam.

If they are not making a profit due to all this giving away they will be not liable for tax.

Further this example of privilage for christianity is not about that at all. It is the privilage of the christian church over all other religions and all other people.

You should not have privilage.

You should practice see the issue from the other side.
 
No.

I want the tax exempt status removed because they are a scam.

If they are not making a profit due to all this giving away they will be not liable for tax.

Further this example of privilage for christianity is not about that at all. It is the privilage of the christian church over all other religions and all other people.

You should not have privilage.

You should practice see the issue from the other side.

Sorry but modern civilization was solely a product of Christian morality. No devil worshipers ever contributed to modern civilization. Our entire nation was founded by mostly all Christians for a few small exceptions like Franklin and Jefferson. The early settlers were Christians and we are still a majority Christian nation. And if you don't like it you can move. Though in reality we Christians are not doing any harm to you.

Churches are tax exempt by our Constitutional right. We give more to charity than the government could ever possibly achieve! In fact, if the Christian faith was not constantly under attack all the time, our charities could manage the entire country with much more money than any government program could afford and that's the no spin truth! So by taxing the churches you are in fact causing those in poverty to sink lower and lower until they die off. While you Satanists are causing more people to become homeless, we are helping those you put on the streets! So you need to find a new hobby because this Satanist thing ain't working for you.
 
Sorry but modern civilization was solely a product of Christian morality. No devil worshipers ever contributed to modern civilization. Our entire nation was founded by mostly all Christians for a few small exceptions like Franklin and Jefferson. The early settlers were Christians and we are still a majority Christian nation. And if you don't like it you can move. Though in reality we Christians are not doing any harm to you.

Churches are tax exempt by our Constitutional right. We give more to charity than the government could ever possibly achieve! In fact, if the Christian faith was not constantly under attack all the time, our charities could manage the entire country with much more money than any government program could afford and that's the no spin truth! So by taxing the churches you are in fact causing those in poverty to sink lower and lower until they die off. While you Satanists are causing more people to become homeless, we are helping those you put on the streets! So you need to find a new hobby because this Satanist thing ain't working for you.

The modern world of continual advancement and progress started with a gradual abandonment of religion.

When christianity was all powerful christendom was a slow backward poor badly smelling vaguely ignored backwater.

The focus of looking at the world with a view to understanding and using this understanding to advance humanity and solve probles.

The constution of the USA and the rest of American culture, its' remarkable diversity and dynamism, is a result of this walking away from religious thinking.
 
The modern world of continual advancement and progress started with a gradual abandonment of religion.

Prove it!! Prove that Isaac Newton was an atheist! Prove that the Write brothers were atheists! Prove that DR.Louis Pasteur was an atheist!! Good luck...you're gonna need it, trust me. The whole of modern civilization, with all its leaps of progress and scientific endeavors, came from Christendom. You don't even get air travel without some Christians reading the Bible. Its all in prophecy written thousands of years before Darwin. You have your assumptions and I suppose to a Satanist, who believes he is god, assumptions work well. But when it comes to proving your claims all your have is your assumptions. You don't even get music and vocal theory without some Christian monks inventing it for you!

When christianity was all powerful christendom was a slow backward poor badly smelling vaguely ignored backwater.

Ah, no. You clearly are a history flunky who wants to start a debate with a history master. Who were those people who ushered in the era of modern science? Who were they? They weren't atheists. So who were they? If you check into the lives of all those major scientists who ushered in the era of modern science your gonna end up with a very long list of Christians!! Meanwhile, where were all the atheists? Where were all the Satanists? They weren't there!


QUOTE=Tim the plumber;1068651059]The focus of looking at the world with a view to understanding and using this understanding to advance humanity and solve probles.


Oh, you mean secular humanism? The worship of men of power? There is a word for this and its called socialism. It all leads to communism, Naziism and all other forms of tyranny where a man takes the place of God. Yeah, we have learned a lot of lessons of humanity from you atheists :roll::shock:

The constution of the USA and the rest of American culture, its' remarkable diversity and dynamism, is a result of this walking away from religious thinking.

Ah, who were those people who colonized America and lived among the times of our founding fathers? Hum?:confused: Where did all those old churches on the east coast come from? Did the Indians build them? Maybe they are new building constructions? So many old churches dating back a long way and you have the gull to say America was founded on walking away from religious thinking? Who was Noah Webster? Was he not the great American educator? What did Webster believe that made America the #1 educated nation in such a short time? It was all a Christian education! Wise up. Lose the bigotry and hate! You have got to be illiterate if you think this nation was founded on Satanism. Maybe you're conspiracy theorist who rejects history because history don't fit your personal bias?

Listen, we Christians owe no apology for our faith. You will certainly not get an apology from me! We contributed everything that made this country great! It was our hands that toiled and our minds that calculated and our achievements that you are calling your own. We were there when modern civilization was established and our nation's economy was just a booming! We looked around and did not see any atheists or Satanists. In fact, Ben Franklin said there was not one single atheist in America during his lifetime! And no, a deist was not an atheist or a Satanist. It may be today...but not back then.
 
I'll start monitoring the lightening strikes in that region in the meantime.

This would be the time. The monsoon is coming in.
 
Prove it!! Prove that Isaac Newton was an atheist! Prove that the Write brothers were atheists! Prove that DR.Louis Pasteur was an atheist!! Good luck...you're gonna need it, trust me. The whole of modern civilization, with all its leaps of progress and scientific endeavors, came from Christendom. You don't even get air travel without some Christians reading the Bible. Its all in prophecy written thousands of years before Darwin. You have your assumptions and I suppose to a Satanist, who believes he is god, assumptions work well. But when it comes to proving your claims all your have is your assumptions. You don't even get music and vocal theory without some Christian monks inventing it for you!



Oh, you mean secular humanism? The worship of men of power? There is a word for this and its called socialism. It all leads to communism, Naziism and all other forms of tyranny where a man takes the place of God. Yeah, we have learned a lot of lessons of humanity from you atheists :roll::shock:



Ah, who were those people who colonized America and lived among the times of our founding fathers? Hum?:confused: Where did all those old churches on the east coast come from? Did the Indians build them? Maybe they are new building constructions? So many old churches dating back a long way and you have the gull to say America was founded on walking away from religious thinking? Who was Noah Webster? Was he not the great American educator? What did Webster believe that made America the #1 educated nation in such a short time? It was all a Christian education! Wise up. Lose the bigotry and hate! You have got to be illiterate if you think this nation was founded on Satanism. Maybe you're conspiracy theorist who rejects history because history don't fit your personal bias?

Listen, we Christians owe no apology for our faith. You will certainly not get an apology from me! We contributed everything that made this country great! It was our hands that toiled and our minds that calculated and our achievements that you are calling your own. We were there when modern civilization was established and our nation's economy was just a booming! We looked around and did not see any atheists or Satanists. In fact, Ben Franklin said there was not one single atheist in America during his lifetime! And no, a deist was not an atheist or a Satanist. It may be today...but not back then.
Your Christian heroes held slaves and exterminated an entire race of people. If you ask me, the founders of this country were statanists. They certainly did his work and made him proud.
 
Your Christian heroes held slaves and exterminated an entire race of people. If you ask me, the founders of this country were statanists. They certainly did his work and made him proud.

I do not care about your opinion or your emotions! All I care about is the truth. We Christians are real boring that way. Abraham Lincoln was a Christians, his administration was Christians, 99% of the soldiers who fought for Lincoln were Christians!! It was practicing Christians who freed the slaves!!
And oh, Hitler was a SATANIST. A Christian follows all the doctrines of the Bible. A Christian has no command to murder anyone. But you don't know that because you never read the Bible. Hitler was a Gnostic and Gnostics are Satanists. Hitler infiltrated and gained control over the German Church and perverted the doctrines with his filthy liberal heresies. This is precisely what you satanists are doing today!

I see nothing coming from you that what justify banning Christianity. You don't know a damn thing about history.
 
The modern world of continual advancement and progress started with a gradual abandonment of religion.

Prove it!! Prove that Isaac Newton was an atheist! Prove that the Write brothers were atheists! Prove that DR.Louis Pasteur was an atheist!! Good luck...you're gonna need it, trust me. The whole of modern civilization, with all its leaps of progress and scientific endeavors, came from Christendom. You don't even get air travel without some Christians reading the Bible. Its all in prophecy written thousands of years before Darwin. You have your assumptions and I suppose to a Satanist, who believes he is god, assumptions work well. But when it comes to proving your claims all your have is your assumptions. You don't even get music and vocal theory without some Christian monks inventing it for you!



Oh, you mean secular humanism? The worship of men of power? There is a word for this and its called socialism. It all leads to communism, Naziism and all other forms of tyranny where a man takes the place of God. Yeah, we have learned a lot of lessons of humanity from you atheists :roll::shock:



Ah, who were those people who colonized America and lived among the times of our founding fathers? Hum?:confused: Where did all those old churches on the east coast come from? Did the Indians build them? Maybe they are new building constructions? So many old churches dating back a long way and you have the gull to say America was founded on walking away from religious thinking? Who was Noah Webster? Was he not the great American educator? What did Webster believe that made America the #1 educated nation in such a short time? It was all a Christian education! Wise up. Lose the bigotry and hate! You have got to be illiterate if you think this nation was founded on Satanism. Maybe you're conspiracy theorist who rejects history because history don't fit your personal bias?

Listen, we Christians owe no apology for our faith. You will certainly not get an apology from me! We contributed everything that made this country great! It was our hands that toiled and our minds that calculated and our achievements that you are calling your own. We were there when modern civilization was established and our nation's economy was just a booming! We looked around and did not see any atheists or Satanists. In fact, Ben Franklin said there was not one single atheist in America during his lifetime! And no, a deist was not an atheist or a Satanist. It may be today...but not back then.

Ahem...my apologies, once again, on behalf of non-crazy, real Christians... :roll: We do recognize that many cultures have contributed great things to Western society, not just Christians. This is because we actually did go to school, and read the same history books as the rest of you. Most of us, anyway. We also know that Christ would have been called a dirty pinko commie if he were in ministry today...and that he would have most likely been rooting for Bernie Sanders in the last election... ;)

I think this move on the part of "Satanists", many of whom are simply militant atheists doing as much as they can to make uptight Christians have a seizure, is pure assholery. But, if there were a proper separation between church and state in this situation, which the Bible certainly can be demonstrated to support, it would be assholery that no one would have to deal with. I guess if they say their prayers under their breath it's tougher to put "Super Christian" on their resume come election time.

Anyway...sorry.
 
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