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Scottsdale won't allow Satanic Temple prayer at council meeting

Ploughboy said:
I do not care about your opinion or your emotions! All I care about is the truth. We Christians are real boring that way. Abraham Lincoln was a Christians, his administration was Christians, 99% of the soldiers who fought for Lincoln were Christians!! It was practicing Christians who freed the slaves!!
And oh, Hitler was a SATANIST. A Christian follows all the doctrines of the Bible. A Christian has no command to murder anyone. But you don't know that because you never read the Bible. Hitler was a Gnostic and Gnostics are Satanists. Hitler infiltrated and gained control over the German Church and perverted the doctrines with his filthy liberal heresies. This is precisely what you satanists are doing today!

I see nothing coming from you that what justify banning Christianity. You don't know a damn thing about history.
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It's not an opinion. It's fact. Your Christian American Founder buddies enslaved an entire race of people and exterminated another; all of it in their god's name.

If that isn't the devil's work, nothing is. Enslaving and exterminating is certainly far worse than two boys kissing.
 
I'm hardly an expert, but from my limited readings Satanists don't even literally believe in Satan. They're atheists.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm hardly an expert, but from my limited readings Satanists don't even literally believe in Satan. They're atheists.
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In the movies they have really cool sex parties.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm hardly an expert, but from my limited readings Satanists don't even literally believe in Satan. They're atheists.
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Actually, if you want to get even more technical...they are Satanists. Satan's is a liar, thief and a murderer and his goal to keep man from accepting eternal life. Satan also wants to destroy God's creation which means he will try and lead our nations into a fight that ends the world. If there is no Jesus Christ then we're all just plain screwed. Fortunately Jesus is risen and will return as He said He would.
 
Ploughboy said:
Actually, if you want to get even more technical...they are Satanists...
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...who don't believe in Satan.

Yes, it's perhaps a bit odd.
 
Ploughboy said:
I do not care about your opinion or your emotions! All I care about is the truth. We Christians are real boring that way. Abraham Lincoln was a Christians, his administration was Christians, 99% of the soldiers who fought for Lincoln were Christians!! It was practicing Christians who freed the slaves!!
And oh, Hitler was a SATANIST. A Christian follows all the doctrines of the Bible. A Christian has no command to murder anyone. But you don't know that because you never read the Bible. Hitler was a Gnostic and Gnostics are Satanists. Hitler infiltrated and gained control over the German Church and perverted the doctrines with his filthy liberal heresies. This is precisely what you satanists are doing today!

I see nothing coming from you that what justify banning Christianity. You don't know a damn thing about history.
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Do your fellow Christians a favor, please stop acting as if you speak for all or even many Christians, you speak for you and only you. Thanks
 
calamity said:
It's not an opinion. It's fact. Your Christian American Founder buddies enslaved an entire race of people and exterminated another; all of it in their god's name.

If that isn't the devil's work, nothing is. Enslaving and exterminating is certainly far worse than two boys kissing.
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I do not see a difference between mass extermination of life and homosexuality. They are both evil sins and both lead to mass extermination. Look at the LGBT movement today and tell me they don't want to exterminate all Christians. I know them well enough and have seen their hate and given power they will start another Holocaust!

Now back to the indirect reference to the Indians. Could you please show me in the Bible where Jesus or His Apostles command believers to murder people? Just because someone who said he was a Christian did this or that doesn't make him a Christian in the eyes of Jesus. Had you read the NT you would have known this.

Your buddy Anton LaVey was sure a sorry bastard when he died. His terrifying death bed surprise should be a wake up call for all Satanists because LaVey knew something was very wrong and admitted moments before his last breath that he was wrong about everything. This is because his soul was being taken into hell. Take the hint from your master's dying words. Jesus is the word made flesh...the risen and Almighty Lord and Savior and there is no other road to eternal life except through Him.

And again, nobody is out to justify atrocities. But there is this thing called consistency vs. inconsistency. You wanna know what Christians believe and how they are to live the read the NT. Everything is written there. Jesus will handle the nominal christians Himself as He warned that hypocrisy would not save anyone. Though for the sake of argument, both sides committed atrocities against each other. Even Indians committed atrocities against each other. There is a lot of history here that just never gets covered anymore about the western expansion and Indian wars. But like every nation ever founded on this planet they all have origins of being something else before what they became. But there is a certain percentage of people today who want to dwell in the past and cannot get themselves to move forward. They want to right the wrongs and in the process make new mistake and more atrocities.
 
Ploughboy said:
I do not see a difference between mass extermination of life and homosexuality. ...
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We know. That's why your silly posts are laughed at.
 
Ploughboy said:
Tim the plumber said:
The modern world of continual advancement and progress started with a gradual abandonment of religion.

Prove it!! Prove that Isaac Newton was an atheist! Prove that the Write brothers were atheists! Prove that DR.Louis Pasteur was an atheist!! Good luck...you're gonna need it, trust me. The whole of modern civilization, with all its leaps of progress and scientific endeavors, came from Christendom. You don't even get air travel without some Christians reading the Bible. Its all in prophecy written thousands of years before Darwin. You have your assumptions and I suppose to a Satanist, who believes he is god, assumptions work well. But when it comes to proving your claims all your have is your assumptions. You don't even get music and vocal theory without some Christian monks inventing it for you!



Oh, you mean secular humanism? The worship of men of power? There is a word for this and its called socialism. It all leads to communism, Naziism and all other forms of tyranny where a man takes the place of God. Yeah, we have learned a lot of lessons of humanity from you atheists :roll::shock:



Ah, who were those people who colonized America and lived among the times of our founding fathers? Hum?:confused: Where did all those old churches on the east coast come from? Did the Indians build them? Maybe they are new building constructions? So many old churches dating back a long way and you have the gull to say America was founded on walking away from religious thinking? Who was Noah Webster? Was he not the great American educator? What did Webster believe that made America the #1 educated nation in such a short time? It was all a Christian education! Wise up. Lose the bigotry and hate! You have got to be illiterate if you think this nation was founded on Satanism. Maybe you're conspiracy theorist who rejects history because history don't fit your personal bias?

Listen, we Christians owe no apology for our faith. You will certainly not get an apology from me! We contributed everything that made this country great! It was our hands that toiled and our minds that calculated and our achievements that you are calling your own. We were there when modern civilization was established and our nation's economy was just a booming! We looked around and did not see any atheists or Satanists. In fact, Ben Franklin said there was not one single atheist in America during his lifetime! And no, a deist was not an atheist or a Satanist. It may be today...but not back then.
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https://ancestralfindings.com/mayflower-passengers-not-religious-reasons/

So, just because your ancestor came over on the Mayflower does not mean that person was a Pilgrim. He or she could very well have been one of the many “strangers” (the Pilgrim word for non-Pilgrims on the Mayflower) who came along to the New World with them.
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That the pilgrims made the most loud histories does not change the fact that there were plenty of far less religious types in there. And that was the single boat load of pilgrims. The following ships were definately not made up of religious zelots.

I am not suggesting that the dominance of christian religion was over by the time of the founding of America but that it was far less powerful than it was in England which its' self was far more religiously liberal than almost all other places in Europe which was, as a result of the opening out of thinking that was the renaissance, was far less religiously focuse and dominated than had been the case.

The wars of religion in Europe that saw vast numbers of deaths as whole populations were killed for being slightly different in their religious practices did not happen in the New World.

I am also understanding that most of the great scientists of the enlightenment would have called themselves christian. Newton included. But, Newton especially, they often had a far from orthodox view of God and interpretation of the bible. This is a far move away from strict religious thinking.

As the understanding of the world has grown it has caused the idea of God to be less tenable. When God created all the animals and plants in an unchanging natural landscape the bible stories were not as drastically obviously wrong as when it is understood that there are billions of years of natural history leading to what we have now with innumerable species and extinctions.

My personal take on it is that the more understanding you have of anything the less you can believe in the Great Sky Daddy.
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Ploughboy said:
I do not care about your opinion or your emotions! All I care about is the truth. We Christians are real boring that way. Abraham Lincoln was a Christians, his administration was Christians, 99% of the soldiers who fought for Lincoln were Christians!! It was practicing Christians who freed the slaves!!
And oh, Hitler was a SATANIST. A Christian follows all the doctrines of the Bible. A Christian has no command to murder anyone. But you don't know that because you never read the Bible. Hitler was a Gnostic and Gnostics are Satanists. Hitler infiltrated and gained control over the German Church and perverted the doctrines with his filthy liberal heresies. This is precisely what you satanists are doing today!

I see nothing coming from you that what justify banning Christianity. You don't know a damn thing about history.
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My red.

Do you give all your posessions away to the poor?

I mean he said it twice!
 
calamity said:
This would be the time. The monsoon is coming in.
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Yep, and this is where that ball lightening comes in handy when targeting Satanists. That can roll right up into a crowded room and just blow up a Satanist without doing more than scaring the living crap out of everybody else. These things happen, my friend...Oh, alright. It might have happened once or twice in human history, and there's no definitive evidence the people that were hit with ball lightening were Satanists, but still, it could happen.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Ploughboy said:
That the pilgrims made the most loud histories does not change the fact that there were plenty of far less religious types in there. And that was the single boat load of pilgrims. The following ships were definately not made up of religious zelots.
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Ben Franklin said there was not a single atheist in America during his lifetime. I will quote that after this post as this forum does not supply enough characters for long posts here. All the early Americans were Christians. They were Puritans, Anglicans, Lutherans and Calvinists.

Tim the plumber said:
I am not suggesting that the dominance of christian religion was over by the time of the founding of America but that it was far less powerful than it was in England which its' self was far more religiously liberal than almost all other places in Europe which was, as a result of the opening out of thinking that was the renaissance, was far less religiously focuse and dominated than had been the case.
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I don't think you understand what's going on here. The later Protestant movement which we place at the Geneva scholars, the Puritans, deviated far from Catholicism and the early Protestant reformation. They were devout Christians but not led by the most sound doctrines. It was the politics they wanted to get away from and they risks their lives doing it. They didn't abandon Christianity in the slightest. They walked the tightrope of heresy but were far from apostates.

Tim the plumber said:
The wars of religion in Europe that saw vast numbers of deaths as whole populations were killed for being slightly different in their religious practices did not happen in the New World.
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The number of deaths total in the Inquisition were about 250,000. The number of deaths done by atheists in a very short time span in the 20th century total about 200,000,000. I have seen thousands of atheist-socialists openly talking about the mass extermination of all Christians and Jews. Dictators is what you get when you worship man as God.

Tim the plumber said:
I am also understanding that most of the great scientists of the enlightenment would have called themselves christian. Newton included. But, Newton especially, they often had a far from orthodox view of God and interpretation of the bible. This is a far move away from strict religious thinking.
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Newton, much like Henry Morris, was a Calvinist. They do hold to some heretical views on the soul but apart from that are devout Christians despite there heresies. I have all of Newton's books and he was a very devout Christian as were all the other scientists before the Darwinian synthesis.

Tim the plumber said:
As the understanding of the world has grown it has caused the idea of God to be less tenable. When God created all the animals and plants in an unchanging natural landscape the bible stories were not as drastically obviously wrong as when it is understood that there are billions of years of natural history leading to what we have now with innumerable species and extinctions.
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Trust me, those long age dating methods are ideologically driven. For one, you simply cannot date the earth using unnatural dating methods. Secondly, there were no multiple extinctions. Third, there never has been a mass extinction caused by an asteroid. I have studied and debated this for so long I can refute all these lies in my sleep. Evolution theory is the greatest hoax of the 20th century and Europe is proof of that.

Tim the plumber said:
My personal take on it is that the more understanding you have of anything the less you can believe in the Great Sky Daddy.
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No Christian I know believes in a great sky daddy. Look, we're all looking at he same information. We are just analyzing it different. It all depends on the lens in which you analyze which will determine the results.
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In his pamphlet entitled Information to Those Who Would Remove to America, written to Europeans who were considering the move to America or intending to send their young people to seek their fortune in this land of opportunity, Benjamin Franklin wrote:

"Hence bad examples to youth are more rare in America, which must be a comfortable consideration to parents. To this may be truly added, that serious religion, under its various denominations, is not only tolerated, but respected and practiced.
Atheism is unknown there; Infidelity rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country without having their piety shocked by meeting with either an atheist or an Infidel.
And the Divine Being seems to have manifested his approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness with which the different sects treat each other; by the remarkable prosperity with which he has been pleased to favor the whole country."
(America's God And Country: Encyclopedia Of Quotations, William J.Federer, p.247)
 
Ploughboy said:
Tim the plumber said:
Ben Franklin said there was not a single atheist in America during his lifetime. I will quote that after this post as this forum does not supply enough characters for long posts here. All the early Americans were Christians. They were Puritans, Anglicans, Lutherans and Calvinists.



I don't think you understand what's going on here. The later Protestant movement which we place at the Geneva scholars, the Puritans, deviated far from Catholicism and the early Protestant reformation. They were devout Christians but not led by the most sound doctrines. It was the politics they wanted to get away from and they risks their lives doing it. They didn't abandon Christianity in the slightest. They walked the tightrope of heresy but were far from apostates.



The number of deaths total in the Inquisition were about 250,000. The number of deaths done by atheists in a very short time span in the 20th century total about 200,000,000. I have seen thousands of atheist-socialists openly talking about the mass extermination of all Christians and Jews. Dictators is what you get when you worship man as God.


Newton, much like Henry Morris, was a Calvinist. They do hold to some heretical views on the soul but apart from that are devout Christians despite there heresies. I have all of Newton's books and he was a very devout Christian as were all the other scientists before the Darwinian synthesis.



Trust me, those long age dating methods are ideologically driven. For one, you simply cannot date the earth using unnatural dating methods. Secondly, there were no multiple extinctions. Third, there never has been a mass extinction caused by an asteroid. I have studied and debated this for so long I can refute all these lies in my sleep. Evolution theory is the greatest hoax of the 20th century and Europe is proof of that.



No Christian I know believes in a great sky daddy. Look, we're all looking at he same information. We are just analyzing it different. It all depends on the lens in which you analyze which will determine the results.
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The 30 years war would be a good place to start a genuine understanding of history. 3/4 of the population of Germany lost amongst other places being savaged.

Your idea that evolution is a hoax is 100% about your desperate search for identity rather than honesty.
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It’s funny how often the creation/evolution debate gets dragged into threads that have nothing to do with that topic.
 
Here is the deal!

Sure, the Constitution protects religious rights and freedom of religion.

I do not endorse a worshiping of Satan. Now, having that said, worshiping Satan is just another religion, and our Constitution guarantees their right to do so.

I don't care if you worship orangutans- the right to do so by the Constitution guarantees your freedom to do so.
 
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