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Franklin Graham’s Stunning Defense of POTUS

If he's holding up Trump as an example of the moral character we need strive for, he's got a screw loose!
 
JANFU said:
Look at his support of laws targeting Gays. Not my kind of Christian.
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But being gay is a sin. It says so right there in Leviticus, where it says eating pork and shellfish and cutting your hair is a sin. Well, that other stuff only applies to Jews or it's just no longer binding but gay, that's still a sin.
 
Grand Mal said:
But being gay is a sin. It says so right there in Leviticus, where it says eating pork and shellfish and cutting your hair is a sin. Well, that other stuff only applies to Jews or it's just no longer binding but gay, that's still a sin.
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Don't F with my lobster or pork spare ribs.
 
Grand Mal said:
But being gay is a sin. It says so right there in Leviticus, where it says eating pork and shellfish and cutting your hair is a sin. Well, that other stuff only applies to Jews or it's just no longer binding but gay, that's still a sin.
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If you do not belong to the (J)ewish line, as in Ethnicity, you really do not need to worry about Leviticus or The Old Testament too much when it comes to 'Laws'. Those Old Testament 'Laws' were only given to the children of (J)acob and even the Apostle Paul says not to the Gentiles.

The Letter to the Gentile Believers

Acts 15:22-29

abstain from meats offered to idols,
and from blood,
and from things strangled,
and from fornication:
from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


But ask yourself what meats offered to idols, what blood, what things strangled what fornication means before thinking of what 'sin' means.

The word 'fornication' also has arguments left and right.


Fornication:
4202. porneia


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fornication.
From porneuo; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry -- fornication.

see GREEK porneuo



4203. porneuó

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
commit fornication.
From porne; to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry -- commit (fornication).



4204. porné

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
prostitute, harlot
Feminine of pornos; a strumpet; figuratively, an idolater -- harlot, whore.



4205. pornos

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fornicator, whoremonger.
From pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of piprasko); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine) -- fornicator, whoremonger.



4097. pipraskó

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
sell.
A reduplicated and prolonged form of prao (prah'-o); (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses) contracted from perao (to traverse; from the base of peran); to traffic (by travelling), i.e. Dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively) -- sell.

see GREEK peran



4008. peran

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
beyond, further, over.
Apparently accusative case of an obsolete derivative of peiro (to "pierce"); through (as adverb or preposition), i.e. Across -- beyond, farther (other) side, over.



Whore: (New Testament)
4204. porné

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
prostitute, harlot
Feminine of pornos; a strumpet; figuratively, an idolater -- harlot, whore.


Whore: (Old Testament)

2181. zanah

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
cause to commit fornication, continually, great, be an, play the harlot
A primitive root (highly-fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively, to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah) -- (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.




W, The People, surrounding the House Of Representatives, E


cause to commit fornication
 
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Sex Education in Grade School.

THE other day, I got an email from a 21-year-old college senior about sex — or perhaps more correctly, about how ill equipped she was to talk about sex. The abstinence-only curriculum in her middle and high schools had taught her little more than “don’t,” and she’d told me that although her otherwise liberal parents would have been willing to answer any questions, it was pretty clear the topic made them even more uncomfortable than it made her.

So she had turned to pornography. “There’s a lot of problems with porn,” she wrote. “But it is kind of nice to be able to use it to gain some knowledge of sex.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/when-did-porn-become-sex-ed.html



Is it Abstinence or Sex Education? Do either 'need' to be part of grade school curriculum or even high school curriculum?

Can't 'information' be given rather than 'education' pertaining to sex?

Why do adults I'm not on an intimate level with 'need' to educate/teach me on the proper way to put on a condom or use a female condom? Why do they 'need' to educate/teach me on the proper way to 'relax' or 'dilate'? Why do they 'need' to instruct me on 'lube' and comfort zones?

Some may have never even known of such a thing as 'anal sex' until taught/educated.

Now, what youth over a certain age, doesn't?


W.H.O made these sex curriculums 'mandatory'?


That country over there has its own sets of rules and laws, but in the U.S, W.H.O mandatorily set these practices in Grade Schools?


Okay.. fine.. that was then.. we're moving on..

Okay, Sure.. What new things is The House of Representatives 'passing' or 'not'?

Which 'sector(s)' do they have influence over within the U.S?


What about the M.Kavanaugh case/hearings? What is the House of Representatives doing about that?

What about personal property rights as far as placing 'crosses' and U.S flags on private personal properties?

What about the freedom of Speech to be able to pray before agreed upon meetings? Why are laws being passed on the basis of a 'few' when the prayer was agreed upon by the majority?
 
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What about 'freedom of Expression'; to be able to speak your opinion of certain things without the 'fear' of being fired or let go from your employment?


How is the House Of Representatives assisting the U.S in these matters?

How many of them think the U.S was NOT founded upon Christian Principles?


What does 'come out of her my people' mean regardless of what or who the whore is or was?

It might mean to not jump on the bandwagon of approval for unjust and unlawful living. And if you are on the wagon that approves of everything, then maybe getting off it.


That was then... Things have moved on.. They might not have known the consequences and they might have had good intentions. But since what was done has been done, there would be nothing wrong or no hurt feelings if those 'things/teachings/approvals' were left and to move onward as well. Leave those things behind, or correct them, but definitely not approve nor partake in those things.

So if the sexuality part has been left behind, what is the U.S facing now? crime? homelessness? drug addiction? abuse? human trafficking?


4097. pipraskó

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
sell.
A reduplicated and prolonged form of prao (prah'-o); (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses) contracted from perao (to traverse; from the base of peran); to traffic (by travelling), i.e. Dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively) -- sell.
 
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crazyme said:
What about 'freedom of Expression'; to be able to speak your opinion of certain things without the 'fear' of being fired or let go from your employment?
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:lamo
 
The Letter to the Gentile Believers

Acts 15:22-29

abstain from meats offered to idols,
and from blood,
and from things strangled,
and from fornication:
from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


But ask yourself what meats offered to idols, what blood, what things strangled what fornication means before thinking of what 'sin' means.

The word 'fornication' also has arguments left and right.


Fornication:
4202. porneia


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fornication.
From porneuo; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry -- fornication.

see GREEK porneuo


Why would I become something, as far as job title, if I'm not going to do what I'm able to in that job? Why would I become a Janitor if I'm not going to clean anything more than what I want?

Important persons need to keep up with their jobs and not let what they are responsible for/over become slack or complacent. They might be able to make some really big changes that can turn the place around from the direction it is heading into, which might be plagues and hardships in the future.

Otherwise, they would have become as 'supervisors' with no one working under them..

Is it wrong to ask for a 'good' future for future persons and/or is it wrong to admit I could get better in my line of work?



For the Gentile Christians that want to 'improve' on their relationship/walk with The Lord: is it wrong to apply what His Apostle handed to the Gentiles?

Acts 15:1 "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved."

Acts 15:28-29 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."



The Letter to the Gentile Believers

Acts 15:22-29

abstain from meats offered to idols,
and from blood,
and from things strangled,
and from fornication:
from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


But ask yourself what meats offered to idols, what blood, what things strangled and what fornication means before thinking of what 'sin' means.

Also ask yourself what meats offered to idols, what blood, what things strangled and what fornication means to/in your own living/lifestyle and how 'you' partake or not partake of these things.


Is it difficult to not eat meats offered to idols? Is it difficult to not eat blood? Is it difficult to not eat things strangled? Is it difficult to have or not have knowledge of what 'fornication' means?


Is it wrong to admit I can improve?
 
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ecofarm said:
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Why so funny? Freedom of expression is not slavery to expression. It's being 'free' enough to express in freedom and not in slavery.

Is a person who smokes cigarettes usually 'free' to smoke or in slavery to smoke? Although I can smoke as much as I want, am I truly 'free'?

But at the same time, am I contrary to God because I smoke?


Acts 15:22-29

abstain from meats offered to idols,
and from blood,
and from things strangled,
and from fornication:
from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


If one of these said, 'and abstain from smoking',
from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Would I argue against what it says/said? If I did argue, does that make me 'free' or in chains?


And so once again.. What is 'fornication'?

How many cigarettes is too much if I'm to abstain from it? Absolutely ZERO?

Absolutely ZERO sexual encounters? Marriage only?
 
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If porne; is to act the harlot,
but I'm a male,
How can I play a female role?

So how does 'fornication or sexual immorality' apply to males?


Maybe this 'fornication' thing applies more to females than to males?? If females were/are chaste, then how would the males be as adulterers?


So what would apply to/for males?

'respect'?


Romans 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."


When letters were written to the Churches, it was usually the 'males' who read out loud in the Church and when and while the women did not 'speak' in Church pertaining to the things being read.

Basic plain and simple. If women do speak in Churches, why don't they teach the other women to be 'chaste' and keep fidelity to their sexualities while they have the other women in the Church to listen to good advice?


But rather, today, you have the righteous being slaughtered, the just being condemned and the innocent being murdered. Why?

Let's not forget the 'reality' part of life either. Everyday, the righteous get slaughtered, the just get condemned and the innocent are murdered... why?


Slaughter, condemned, murdered... What do they all have in common?

Lack of Law enforcing. Lack of judging rightly.


Who are these that are 'employed' to enforce Law and to Judge rightly?


Romans 13

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."




higher powers
of God
ordained of God
ordinance of God
minster(s) of God
revenger
God's ministers



Then surely, there will be safety.
 
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Franklin's daddy Billie used to be adviser to US Presidents. Franklin got stuck with Donald.

I'd be pissed.
 
1751Texan said:
Franklin's daddy Billie used to be adviser to US Presidents. Franklin got stuck with Donald.

I'd be pissed.
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Well, remember that Billy Graham was kind of exposed as anti semitic in a 1972 Oval Office meeting with president Richard Nixon. The recording of the conversation came out several years later when the tapes were released to the public.

The apple doesn't fall from the tree. I'm not sure Franklin inherited his father's oratory skills, though.


Check out Franklin's sermon here.
 
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1751Texan said:
Franklin's daddy Billie used to be adviser to US Presidents. Franklin got stuck with Donald.

I'd be pissed.
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The entire nation got stuck with Trump, but only 55% of us seem pissed. What the hell is wrong with the 45% who think he's just dandy?
And don't get me started on the Evangelical Christians who accept this whore monger, lying SOB as THEIR preferred leader!!
I am a devout Biblical Christian who is sick of the the support given to Trump by other Christians.
Most admit they are sure all Dems are all in favor of abortion. So they will support this lying, cheating creature despite his evocation of evil ideas, thoughts and actions.
I don't think God Our Father is too happy right now. And you recall what happened to Egypt in the Old Testament.
 
did you ever wonder if there is a special place in hell for fake Christians?
 
Rexedgar said:
The evangelical point of view?

Reverend Graham assails U.S. moral character, praises Pres. Trump | MSNBC

Also listened to a Trump support focus group and one woman said, “the Bible has the answer for everything, if the President has a question, the answer is in the good book.”
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I am a Biblical born-again evangelical Christian living in a highly unchurched area in Metro New York City.
Franklin Graham has lost his spiritual bearings. And so have a majority of evangelical Christians.
Their support of Donald Trump makes a mockery of their testament and faith. They overlook Trump's evil character because of a single concern--Republican anti-abortion support.
Trump is a whore monger, lying cheater and disgusting person. He does not follow or even understand the basic teachings of Jesus Christ.
Holding Trump up as any sort of Christian, other than as an example of a "fallen" Christian makes a mockery of modern Christianity.
If anything, Mr Trump exudes the evil that Satan wishes would overtake human kind as he wishes to separate us from God.

Christians who give their support to Trump undermine the basic teachings of Jesus. Satan has tricked believers into supporting a monstrosity as their leader!
 
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dcaraz said:
I am a Biblical born-again evangelical Christian living in a highly unchurched area in Metro New York City.
Franklin Graham has lost his spiritual bearings. And so have a majority of evangelical Christians.
Their support of Donald Trump makes a mockery of their testament and faith. They overlook Trump's evil character because of a single concern--Republican anti-abortion support.
Trump is a whore monger, lying cheater and disgusting person. He does not follow or even understand the basic teachings of Jesus Christ.
Holding Trump up as any sort of Christian, other than as an example of a "fallen" Christian makes a mockery of modern Christianity.
If anything, Mr Trump exudes the evil that Satan wishes would overtake human kind as he wishes to separate us from God.
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Don’t hold back......
 
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