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"Separation of Church and State"

James972 said:
got it, god does not talk directly to you so he does not exist. Surprised no one thought of that before.
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no you still don't get it only gods that have the power to talk to me and want me to believe in them don't exist for sure


others gods only probably don't exist
 
ElChupacabra said:
There's more to treating others inhumanely than just an absence of religious morality;
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sure, there is liberalism which cuts the individual off from God and purpose. Once you have no purpose and life has no meaning you are free to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits at the moment.
 
James972 said:
sure, there is liberalism which cuts the individual off from God and purpose. Once you have no purpose and life has no meaning you are free to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits at the moment.
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I for one have always killed as many as I have wanted, all the years of my life. I've totaled it up (checked twice) and the number is zero. Zero people killed because I was free from God and purpose. Honestly I worry about the moral framework of people who think that only an unprovable higher power can prevent them from doing rampant evil. How many might you kill if you ever had a crisis of confidence in your higher power? That does happen...
 
ElChupacabra said:
Stalin was baptized and came from a Christian family; as was Hitler. So clearly they had a base of Christian values which were ignored due to a variety of reasons as they ascended to power. There's more to treating others inhumanely than just an absence of religious morality; many people who don't identify with a faith are capable of ethical and moral behavior. You make these broad assumptions to complex issues and continually embarrass yourself.
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Far as I can tell, they did just what God wanted them to do.

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please”

He made them. He made the world they lived in. He made every single thing they ever saw, touched, heard, etc. He knew what they would do and it was all part of His Plan. And since God did it, it must have been good.

"This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all."

So, obviously God's divine instruments Hitler and Stalin were good. All part of the Plan and the Plan is good.
 
James972 said:
sure, there is liberalism which cuts the individual off from God and purpose. Once you have no purpose and life has no meaning you are free to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits at the moment.
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That's quite the stretch in reasoning there. So what about the countless massacres carried out by those of faith? It doesn't seem to have stopped them either. More importantly though, it's a ridiculous assertion that being cut off from the idea of "god" would immediately lead to the idea that life has no meaning. I suppose if you're a simpleton who can only function if life and its purpose are something only others can define for you, then I guess this kind of rationale makes sense. Fortunately many who aren't of faith do just fine respecting the sanctity of life.
 
James972 said:
sure, there is liberalism which cuts the individual off from God and purpose. Once you have no purpose and life has no meaning you are free to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits at the moment.
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There is no god, so no one could ever be cut-off from anything, and people had purpose long before people invented gods.

James972 said:
wrong of course, had he been a Christian he would have made love not war that killed 60 million.
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So, why do christians commit crimes and violate the commandments and teachings of Jesus everyday?

The popes made war. Are you saying the popes aren't christitan?

There were popes who raped women in broad-daylight in front of horrified on-lookers.

How christian is that?

James972 said:
it shows the limits of human intelligence
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Human intelligence isn't limited, but technology is.

Before there were telescopes, what people thought were stars were actually galaxies.

We have technology, because human intelligence is not limited. The fact that we don't have the technology to see what was before the Big Bang doesn't mean that we won't.

Humans can already do things your god cannot do. Your god cannot heal amputees, but very soon humans will be able to do exactly that. And humans will be able to correct all the flaws your lame god made when he supposedly created humans.
 
James972 said:
sure, there is liberalism which cuts the individual off from God and purpose. Once you have no purpose and life has no meaning you are free to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits at the moment.
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your religion dosent seem to add any purpose or meaning what's the difference between a universe existing just because and a god existing just because?

your free to invent a god who wants you to kill as many as you want for whatever reason suits you at the moment


not wanting people to kill other people is the only reasonable objection to that

and if you say your god wants people dead it can **** off kinda why i don't support islamic terrorists or hindus who kill over cows it doesn't matter if they actually have a god or gods on ther side

how the **** can people cut you off from an omnipresent omnipresent being unless you are just pulling it out of you ass to try and coerce people into behaving the way you want them to


oh ya thats all you do
 
James972 said:
faith provides the incentive to investigate the real world.
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Faith is when you believe in something that you know ain't true. Faith is the antithesis of reason.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Faith is when you believe in something that you know ain't true. Faith is the antithesis of reason.
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totally wrong of course, faith is when you pray there is more to life than dying
 
Journeyman said:
I for one have always killed as many as I have wanted,
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you made a simple choice and so do all the school shooters. All the victims wish the school shooters had found the God liberals hid from him. Do you understand?
 
blarg said:
your religion dosent seem to add any purpose or meaning what's the difference between a universe existing just because and a god existing just because?
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god promises eternal life in heaven with loved ones 1+1=2
 
James972 said:
you made a simple choice and so do all the school shooters. All the victims wish the school shooters had found the God liberals hid from him. Do you understand?
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No. I've seen no evidence that belief in a god leads to magically better morality. And apart from all the school shooters obviously not being True Scotsmen tm, I wasn't aware they were uniformly lacking in religion.

I also wasn't aware that liberals had the power to hide God. I was under the impression that his glory was supposedly manifest. Now perhaps God wanted to be hidden by liberals. He does have a plan, or so I'm told. Hard for me to fathom why he would want to be hidden so that school shooters couldn't find him, but then it is hard for me to fathom a lot of what he does. Being as that he is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, I lay quite a bit at his feet. Or at least I do if I am operating under the framework that he exists as Christians describe him to me. How they claim to know is rather beyond me as well. Some claim divine inspiration which He has chosen not to reveal to me. Others claim it is divine texts that He has chosen not to reveal to me as divine. Not having access to any of this and seeing what appear to me as various obvious contradictions, I'm left to suppose it is all made up.
 
James972 said:
god promises eternal life in heaven with loved ones 1+1=2
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god did you ;promise that?


nope your making stuff u again just as likely you will exist after death with people you love without a god as with 1 more likely if ther no ones sending your love dones off to be endlessly tortured

but nothing to support that or gods
 
James972 said:
god promises eternal life in heaven with loved ones 1+1=2
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Hey jimmy, why can't the 40,000+ groups calling themselves Christian agree on who gets the "eternal life in heaven"? What if their loved ones follow a different faith? Do they get into heaven also?
 
James972 said:
They are representative in that irreligious people don't have morality that came from religion. 200 million dead people wish they had had religious morality. Had it not been for liberals those 200 million would be alive
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Stalin and Mao did have a religion. It was a secular religion called Communism.
 
James972 said:
totally wrong of course, faith is when you pray there is more to life than dying
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No. Praying is a ritual. Depending on your philosophical view on the concept of self, the desire for an afterlife is based on an ego centric perspective. The question is why anyone would think there isn't more to life than dying; that seems like such a depressing perspective. In my experience there is everything in between the moment you're born until the day you die. I don't worry about death at all; I just make sure to live the best life I can so when I die I will be happy with how I lived it.
 
Journeyman said:
No. I've seen no evidence that belief in a god leads to magically better morality.
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thats really dumb its like saying I see no evidence that growing up speaking english leads to magically better english. Of course it does!
 
Somerville said:
Hey jimmy, why can't the 40,000+ groups calling themselves Christian agree on who gets the "eternal life in heaven"? What if their loved ones follow a different faith? Do they get into heaven also?
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who cares? our issue is that believing in great Christian commandment" love thy neighbor" who prevent liberal school shooters.
 
RogueWarrior said:
Stalin and Mao did have a religion. It was a secular religion called Communism.
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if they had had followed great Christian commandment, love thy neighbor, those 200 million would not be dead. 1+1=2
 
James972 said:
if they had had followed great Christian commandment, love thy neighbor, those 200 million would not be dead. 1+1=2
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I love how you appropriate the 'love thy neighbors' meme for christianity. Can you prove it is uniquely christian to back up this appropriation?
 
James972 said:
thats really dumb its like saying I see no evidence that growing up speaking english leads to magically better english. Of course it does!
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No, growing up in an English-speaking environment DOES NOT lead to "magically better english" Without competent, well-trained teachers, a person will not learn grammatically-correct English.
 
James972 said:
who cares? our issue is that believing in great Christian commandment" love thy neighbor" who prevent liberal school shooters.
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About that "magically better english", jimmy you might wish to engage a tutor.

Please provide the book, chapter and verse in the Bible that tells us to "love thy neighbor". I don't remember that being one of the Ten Commandments
 
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