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"Separation of Church and State"

Obscurity said:
No. It is not. It never was.
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[PDF]The Code of Canon Law and Civil Law - St. John's Law Scholarship ...
scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2189&context=tcl
by JE Serritella - ‎2017 - ‎Related articles
A canon law expert testifies that the Catholic Church is hierarchical, and the bishop is the person in the hierarchy authorized to close the Church. No other evidence is presented. The civil law follows canon law. Case closed
 
James972 said:
[PDF]The Code of Canon Law and Civil Law - St. John's Law Scholarship ...
scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2189&context=tcl
by JE Serritella - ‎2017 - ‎Related articles
A canon law expert testifies that the Catholic Church is hierarchical, and the bishop is the person in the hierarchy authorized to close the Church. No other evidence is presented. The civil law follows canon law. Case closed
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This country is founded in the enlightenment. It is not a christian nation.

Freedom of speech is a secular idea, not a christian one.

Freedom of religion is a secular idea, not a christian one.

Freedom of expression is a secular idea, not a christian one.

You fail.
 
Obscurity said:
This country is founded in the enlightenment. It is not a christian nation.

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enlightenment is Christian. Do you need to see the quotes all over again???
 
James972 said:
enlightenment is Christian. Do you need to see the quotes all over again???
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Sorry, I accept zero catholic -anything- as evidence.

The enlightenment was SECULAR.

You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. There is nothing christian about the enlightenment save a few random hack conspiracy sites.

We're done here, I will not debate this with a theocrat partisan hack.
 
wellwisher said:
In 1927, the Belgian Catholic priest Georges Lemaître proposed an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts of spiral nebulae, and calculated the Hubble law. He based his theory on the work of Einstein and De Sitter, and independently derived Friedmann's equations for an expanding universe.

A priest from the Catholic Church came up with the Big Bang theory. Science and faith are not enemies, if they both search for truth.
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You must have a very interesting definition as faith in order to compare it with science.
Faith is absolutely useless as a tool to investigate the real world.
 
James972 said:
wrong of course, most human being need religion, 85% believe in God and that his moral authority exceeds that of cake. Notice how your liberal thinking amounts to little more than grunting? Exposing the pure ignorance of liberals is I hope a worthwhile activity.
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Many human beings also need to get high. What's your point?
 
James972 said:
Love thy neighbor as thyself is great Christian commandment. Too bad school shooters, overdosers and suiciders were prevented from obeying it by brain dead liberals.
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It's derived from the golden rule which predates Christianity.
 
James972 said:
how can they be enemies if science does not deal with anything before big bang?
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Neither does religion; at least in any quantifiable way. The difference is science will present a theory and that gets challenged to either confirm or refute its premise. Religion does not and only presents a mythology that isn't questioned and is to be taken as an absolute. There's a far wider margin for error when your faith is based on stories from people a couple of thousand years ago and can't be verified.
 
James972 said:
Liberals figuratively killed God and made the likelihood of school shooters far greater.
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that all seems false

but your god not existing caring or being powerful enough to interact with the world at will is not doing it any favors
 
James972 said:
school shooters don't care about about secular law after they are dead. 1+1=2
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seems no one cares about anything after they are dead true
 
James972 said:
First great commandment about earthly behavior is, love thy neighbor s thyself. Too bad liberals prevent school shooters from obeying that commandment
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unless you convince yourself god says to make an exception or that whatever you want to do to others is love because god says so

your free to love people so again you say false things
 
James972 said:
I'm sure the victims parents would not have cared if a great fairy tale had saved their children. Is this really over a liberal's head?
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oh god i hope not for you to be sure of that you must have spoken to them and have they not already suffered enough?
 
James972 said:
proves???how?? Why would one obey Gods commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself if one had other gods???
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that you don't see any other reason to even pretend to love others unless your bribed or threatened by your sky daddy is disturbing
 
RogueWarrior said:
You must have a very interesting definition as faith in order to compare it with science.
Faith is absolutely useless as a tool to investigate the real world.
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faith provides the incentive to investigate the real world.
 
James972 said:
faith provides the incentive to investigate the real world.
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If you already think you know ultimate truth, what incentive is there to investigate anything, or be open to any new ideas or entirely different ways of thinking? You already know it all, right? Investigation and learning and seeing new stuff can be uncomfortable, unsettling, and disorienting. That’s why the faithful believers have “the comfort of faith.”
 
ElChupacabra said:
I do, but it's up to you to figure it out. It's poor form to ask people to do your homework for you.
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cut liberal BS and try to challenge conservatism if you dare.
 
James972 said:
cut liberal BS and try to challenge conservatism if you dare.
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I challenge conservatism to a duel. 2pm in the carnation garden. Tell it if it refuses to show up, I shall take that as an indication of its cowardice.
 
James972 said:
faith provides the incentive to investigate the real world.
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How so? With faith you have no need to investigate the real world. You can take any proposition or claim by faith.

But RogueWarrior’s statement was that faith is useless as a TOOL to investigate the real world. An incentive is not a to.
 
pinqy said:
With faith you have no need to investigate the real world..
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???most humans have faith and are very curious about the real world. Faith is about the world that is unreal or unknowable to science. Do you understand?
 
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