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Ted Cruz’s campaign is fueled by a dominionist vision for America (COMMENTARY)

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Cruz's personal religious beliefs and those of many who him support scare the crap out of me. Too many Americans really seem to believe that they as 'true' Christians are being persecuted by a secular government led by a man some believe is a follower of the Prophet Muhammed. Their hope is that they can follow Ted Cruz back to a time when America was a "Christian Nation"; a nation where non-believers and those of other faiths would be relegated to second-class categories unable to participate in the political process

Ted Cruz’s campaign is fueled by a dominionist vision for America (COMMENTARY)

Cruz resonates with the evangelical culture warriors. He mixes what New York Times columnist David Brooks describes as political “brutalism” with a belief that he is engaged in a fight with the devil for the soul of the nation. It is only a matter of time before Cruz assumes the role of the Old Testament prophet Elijah and tries to cast down fire from heaven to destroy the “prophets of Baal” who oppose his campaign.

When Cruz says he wants to “reclaim” or “restore” America, he does not only have the Obama administration in mind. This agenda takes him much deeper into the American past. Cruz wants to “restore” the United States to what he believes is its original identity: a Christian nation.

(. . .)

According to his father and Huch (pastor of New Beginnings Church), Ted Cruz is anointed by God to help Christians in their effort to “go to the marketplace and occupy the land … and take dominion” over it. This “end-time transfer of wealth” will relieve Christians of all financial woes, allowing true believers to ascend to a position of political and cultural power in which they can build a Christian civilization. When this Christian nation is in place (or back in place), Jesus will return.

Rafael Cruz and Larry Huch preach a brand of evangelical theology called Seven Mountains Dominionism.

(. . .)

(Cruz) is not interested in crafting new models of American pluralism to respond to the country’s ever-growing religious diversity. Rather, religious liberty is a code word for defending the right of Christians to continue to hold cultural authority and privilege.
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Somerville said:
Cruz's personal religious beliefs and those of many who him support scare the crap out of me. Too many Americans really seem to believe that they as 'true' Christians are being persecuted by a secular government led by a man some believe is a follower of the Prophet Muhammed. Their hope is that they can follow Ted Cruz back to a time when America was a "Christian Nation"; a nation where non-believers and those of other faiths would be relegated to second-class categories unable to participate in the political process
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Are we talking about what Ted Cruz actually believes and has stated, or what Rafael Cruz (Sr.) and his preacher buddy believe and have stated?

Look, I think Cruz is brilliant, but a religious nutblade, not qualified to be President and well, he scares me.

However, I find it ethically difficult to condemn a man for the sins of his father, or to especially apply the sins of the father to the son as if he is guilty of the same.
 
For Cruz, "religious freedom" is just an excuse to give unconstitutional, preferential treatment to Christians.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Are we talking about what Ted Cruz actually believes and has stated, or what Rafael Cruz (Sr.) and his preacher buddy believe and have stated?
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Crazy people think that Obama is a secret Muslim. Crazy people think that Cruz is some kind of would-be American theocrat. :shrug: You can't argue with conspiracy theorists, every piece of evidence against their belief (or the lack of evidence in its favor) is just "proof of how insidious/sneaky 'they' really are!"
 
Absentglare said:
For Cruz, "religious freedom" is just an excuse to give unconstitutional, preferential treatment to Christians.
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And he's going to ban birth control! And he's going to pass an executive order banning women from voting, as it interferes with their barefooted-kitchen duties!
 
cpwill said:
Crazy people think that Obama is a secret Muslim. Crazy people think that Cruz is some kind of would-be American theocrat. :shrug: You can't argue with conspiracy theorists, every piece of evidence against their belief (or the lack of evidence in its favor) is just "proof of how insidious/sneaky 'they' really are!"
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Gotta love those folks tracking down the boogie man for us.
 
cpwill said:
And he's going to ban birth control! And he's going to pass an executive order banning women from voting, as it interferes with their barefooted-kitchen duties!
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Well he did say

“Right now, the federal government is suing the Little Sisters of the Poor to try to force Catholic nuns to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.”

That is in reference to the pill BTW.
 
winston53660 said:
Well he did say

“Right now, the federal government is suing the Little Sisters of the Poor to try to force Catholic nuns to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.”

That is in reference to the pill BTW.
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It's in reference to abortiofascients. And he is correct. This administration would rather sit nuns than place the First Amendment above the governments desire to regulate employers.
 
cpwill said:
It's in reference to abortiofascients. And he is correct. This administration would rather sit nuns than place the First Amendment above the governments desire to regulate employers.
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Uhmm no the case he is talking is about the the pill. And many on the far right do consider the pill since it can prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine wall same goes for IUDs as well. Maybe he was just tailoring his speech for the radicals or maybe he believes it:shrug:

FYI The Nuns had a way out it they just refused to do it.
 
winston53660 said:
Uhmm no the case he is talking is about the the pill. And many on the far right do consider the pill since it can prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine wall same goes for IUDs as well. Maybe he was just tailoring his speech for the radicals or maybe he believes it:shrug:

FYI The Nuns had a way out it they just refused to do it.
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No, they didn't. "Here, just compromise your faith and most deeply held beliefs" is not "a, way out".
 
cpwill said:
No, they didn't. "Here, just compromise your faith and most deeply held beliefs" is not "a, way out".
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They had to sign a piece of paper that's all.
 
winston53660 said:
They had to sign a piece of paper that's all.
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They had to agree to violate their faith. Describing it as "signing a piece of paper" is to confuse the function with the effect.

For example, I would bet that a deed transferring all your worldly goods to me would go unsigned, despite the fact that it is merely "a piece of paper".


[Later Edit: if you are really dedicated to this argument and or truly believe that I am wrong, please pm me your info, and I will happily pay all legal fees getting that written up pronto :mrgreen:]
 
Somerville said:
Cruz's personal religious beliefs and those of many who him support scare the crap out of me.
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I think you are easily scared.

Too many Americans really seem to believe that they as 'true' Christians are being persecuted by a secular government led by a man some believe is a follower of the Prophet Muhammed.
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Not this American. I know very well I am a damn poor Christian. As someone who strongly supports our Constitution, I treasure the fact the Establishment Clause of its First Amendment guarantees a secular national government. I don't know if B. Hussein Obama is a Muslim--what he says about it means nothing. I do know he is a G--damned Marxist liar who sympathizes with Muslims and resents the very nation he is sworn to support.

Their hope is that they can follow Ted Cruz back to a time when America was a "Christian Nation"; a nation where non-believers and those of other faiths would be relegated to second-class categories unable to participate in the political process
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You seem to have a vivid imagination. However much the fact makes sulky atheists shriek and pout, America was founded largely by English Protestants, and it has been primarily a Christian nation--and a tolerant one--from the beginning. The Supreme Court has more than once acknowledged the important role of religious faith in this country's history and institutions. For example, this, by William O. Douglas, one of the most liberal justices to serve on the Court:


We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being. We guarantee the freedom to worship as one chooses. We make room for as wide a variety of beliefs and creeds as the spiritual needs of man deem necessary. We sponsor an attitude on the part of government that shows no partiality to any one group and that lets each flourish according to the zeal of its adherents and the appeal of its dogma. When the state encourages religious instruction or cooperates with religious authorities by adjusting the schedule of public events to sectarian needs, it follows the best of our traditions. For it then respects the religious nature of our people and accommodates the public service to their spiritual needs. To hold that it may not would be to find in the Constitution a requirement that the government show a callous indifference to religious groups. Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306, 313-314 (1952).
 
cpwill said:
They had to agree to violate their faith. Describing it as "signing a piece of paper" is to confuse the function with the effect.

For example, I would bet that a deed transferring all your worldly goods to me would go unsigned, despite the fact that it is merely "a piece of paper".


[Later Edit: if you are really dedicated to this argument and or truly believe that I am wrong, please pm me your info, and I will happily pay all legal fees getting that written up pronto :mrgreen:]
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Oh god way talk about going off the deep end:roll:

All they had to do for the religious exemption was to sign a piece of paper file it and wallah their insurance doesn't have to do it! Now does filing a religious objection violate their faith and or rights? I don't think so. BTW I bet if those Little Sisters had their way all contraception would be illegal.

[Later Edit: if you are really dedicated to this argument and or truly believe that I am wrong, please pm me your info, and I will happily pay all legal fees getting that written up pronto :mrgreen:]
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Sure but I get your soul when you die :devil:
 
winston53660 said:
Oh god way talk about going off the deep end:roll:

All they had to do for the religious exemption was to sign a piece of paper file it and wallah their insurance doesn't have to do it! Now does filing a religious objection violate their faith and or rights? I don't think so. BTW I bet if those Little Sisters had their way all contraception would be illegal.
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:roll: that's brilliant. Demonstrate the ludicrous nature of the belief that there is a willingness to trample on religious liberty by ad homining elderly nuns.

The paper was to authorize the sale of the abortiofascients to the provider, and its provision to the individual. Yes, that's a violation of their faith. It's not a position I share, but it's theirs, and they have a sacred right to it. It doesn't matter if you think the distinction isn't important - it matters that they do.

Sure but I get your soul when you die [emoji317]
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:lamo not even if you were as rich as Donald Trump thinks he is.
 
cpwill said:
The paper was to authorize the sale of the abortiofascients to the provider, and its provision to the individual. Yes, that's a violation of their faith. .
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That is just the Nun's trying to force their views on other people. And I'm sure they would love to see Comstock laws back.

not even if you were as rich as Donald Trump thinks he is.
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Does he even have a soul?
 
winston53660 said:
That is just the Nun's trying to force their views on other people.
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You have it exactly incorrect. This is a case of the administration trying to force it's views on them.

And I'm sure they would love to see Comstock laws back.
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Ad hominem followed by Strawmen? Man, were you hit with a ruler as a kid of something? [emoji14]

Does he even have a soul?
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Everybody gets one. Trumps is probably not in the best condition.
 
A good 96% of the Republican Party wants to return the U.S. to the dark ages, whence Theocrats rule and have absolute power - and non-believers are held as infidels and burned at the stake... I mean jailed/second-class citizens with limited rights. At least it seems that way to me.
 
cpwill said:
:roll: that's brilliant. Demonstrate the ludicrous nature of the belief that there is a willingness to trample on religious liberty by ad homining elderly nuns.

The paper was to authorize the sale of the abortiofascients to the provider, and its provision to the individual. Yes, that's a violation of their faith. It's not a position I share, but it's theirs, and they have a sacred right to it. It doesn't matter if you think the distinction isn't important - it matters that they do.
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It seems to me that the Little Sisters of the Poor are arguing that their religious beliefs are more important than the health and safety of their female employees. It is the Little Sisters and several other religious groups which are demanding the right to impose their religious views upon their employees, not all of whom hold the same faith.

How far does one person's faith extend control over the rights of a non-believer?

another little point - the word is abortifacients not abortiofascients
 
Beaudreaux said:
Are we talking about what Ted Cruz actually believes and has stated, or what Rafael Cruz (Sr.) and his preacher buddy believe and have stated? Look, I think Cruz is brilliant, but a religious nutblade, not qualified to be President and well, he scares me. However, I find it ethically difficult to condemn a man for the sins of his father, or to especially apply the sins of the father to the son as if he is guilty of the same.
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I found this press release dated 10 august of last year. it is for a Family Leadership Summit held by the Family Leader, Citizens United, Heritage Action, and the National Organization for Marriage.

They quote Ted as saying- "My dad and i are honored to be included in this year's summit..."

Bob Plaats, the CEO and President of Family Leader is quoted as saying- "We are thrilled Senator Ted Cruz and his father, Pastor Rafael Cruz, are pairing up together to join...."

Dunno if i'd call it 'sins' or use the term 'guilty' but Cruz, at least in the early stages seemed to enjoy speaking with his father at highly Conservative rallies... :peace
 
cpwill said:
Crazy people think that Obama is a secret Muslim. Crazy people think that Cruz is some kind of would-be American theocrat. :shrug: You can't argue with conspiracy theorists, every piece of evidence against their belief (or the lack of evidence in its favor) is just "proof of how insidious/sneaky 'they' really are!"
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I don't think he is a secret Muslim because he was taught to be a good Christian by Jerimiah Wright and when that relationship became inconvenient, he disowned the Reverend. I do believe he feels a close connection to the Muslim culture however.
 
notquiteright said:
I found this press release dated 10 august of last year. it is for a Family Leadership Summit held by the Family Leader, Citizens United, Heritage Action, and the National Organization for Marriage.

They quote Ted as saying- "My dad and i are honored to be included in this year's summit..."

Bob Plaats, the CEO and President of Family Leader is quoted as saying- "We are thrilled Senator Ted Cruz and his father, Pastor Rafael Cruz, are pairing up together to join...."

Dunno if i'd call it 'sins' or use the term 'guilty' but Cruz, at least in the early stages seemed to enjoy speaking with his father at highly Conservative rallies... :peace
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Link?

Please?
 
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