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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Taxing religious organizations is not going to reduce your property taxes by any appreciable amount.

    They're tax-exempt because your fellow citizens don't want to tax their houses of worship.

    It's also a pretty old tradition, dating back to Constantine.

    US law stipulates that churches that engage in political advocacy lose their tax-exempt status; though rarely enforced, this reinforces the separation of church and state. If tax exemptions are gone, churches will be free to endorse candidates and advocate political positions. And of course, they may get politically involved to regain their former tax-exempt status. There may be valid reasons to revoke the exemption, but "taxing churches will increase the separation of church and state" is not one of them.

    Last but not least, they are non-profit organizations, which are generally tax-exempt.

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    As a land owner in San Antonio who pays a substantial amount of $$ in property taxes, I am perplexed why I should subsidize religious organizations thru my property taxes. I live quite close to downtown, a location where there are many large Churches, some with pay as you go parking lots, childcare centers, and restaurants. These Churches sit on large lots with multiple buildings. and I for one feel like as a property tax payer my rights (separation of Church and State) are being violated by subsidizing there tax exempt status. Churches use local and community services, they should pay up like the rest of us. Opinions? Please lets not bash anyone religion, that's not the intent, a sane rational discussion of why the Federal government allows this free ride would be cool.

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    Pope Francis Calls for Ending Tax-Exempt Status of Churches That Don't Help the Needy
    You might wanna read that 1st amendment again(for the first time), it doesn't say anything about separation of church and state

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    question?..... then why am i and others to subsidize people on welfare, and other government social programs.
    I wont answer that one as it will steer the conversation off post. There are lots of other postings on this site in regards to government social programs, this thread concerns JUST Churches.

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    I understand the concern and it is valid. But in the grand scheme of things, I got no problem just leaving the churches alone. For now.

    We got bigger fish to fry. Very low hanging fruit.

    I would be more worried about the Exxon, Walmart, and all of those other corporate welfare recipients than I would worry about some church exemption.

    Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    I wont answer that one as it will steer the conversation off post. There are lots of other postings on this site in regards to government social programs, this thread concerns JUST Churches.
    well its not so much the social programs, it anything of a subsidy, i was referring.

    now i am not pointing at you,so don't take it that way...... " why do people say that there should not be subsidies on things they don't like, yet are for subsidies on things they do like"

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Sure, and homosexuals can just pay a little something say $10,000 a year for marriage licenses to help offset the subsidies paid for their AIDS epidemic, too. Yes, let's go with your 'reasoning'.
    As a gay man, I can honestly say, I don't find that offense, quite the opposite. It clearly shows your ignorance on the issue.

    And what does that have to do with the taxation of churches? Nothing!!

    Keep on topic

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well its not so much the social programs, it anything of a subsidy, i was referring.

    now i am not pointing at you,so don't take it that way...... " why do people say that there should not be subsidies on things they don't like, yet are for subsidies on things they do like"
    Then why bring it up?

    We are discussing tax free status on churches

    Not social programs, or the AIDS virus, jeesh

    Did I hit a nerve? Certainly this has brought a few of the crazies out

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I understand the concern and it is valid. But in the grand scheme of things, I got no problem just leaving the churches alone. For now.

    We got bigger fish to fry. Very low hanging fruit.

    I would be more worried about the Exxon, Walmart, and all of those other corporate welfare recipients than I would worry about some church exemption.

    Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

    Then why respond, its important to me and others? I don't judge what is important to others, do you?

    That's the trouble with this country. People are more worried about terror cells than they are about cancer cells. Doing the numbers, a lot of people's prioritization of concerns don't really make sense.
    I don't know about other communities, but San Antonio has a church on almost every corner, I have no issues with churches or those that wish to attend.

    And how does the IRS determine what is a church? Obviously L Ron Hubbard was right, its an easy way to rake in cash lol

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    As a gay man, I can honestly say, I don't find that offense, quite the opposite. It clearly shows your ignorance on the issue.

    And what does that have to do with the taxation of churches? Nothing!!

    Keep on topic
    What was the topic again? Your ignorant claim that "separation of church and state" is a right? or maybe your ignorance of Walz v Tax Commission of the City of New York (1970) which ruled that property tax exemptions dont violate the establishment clause?

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    Re: Tax Exemption for Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    Then why bring it up?

    We are discussing tax free status on churches

    Not social programs, or the AIDS virus, jeesh

    Did I hit a nerve? Certainly this has brought a few of the crazies out
    no, my nerve are not hit this forum does not do that to me...... but i hear the theme of subsidies often.

    please understand my comment was not dig at you.

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