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Was the First Amendment originally intended only to protect Christianity?

Master PO said:
no i didn't fail in my point, and to tell me i failed because i didn't answer what you said.:doh

your take on the bible is not going to work with me, because you not not going to change my mind, as much as i know i am not going to change yours...so why banter
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I did not say you failed in your point. I did say you failed to back up your claim. You gave an interpretation of a vague passage in scripture and when I presented scripture (from Jesus) that explained the passage and contradicted your interpretation you ignored those passages, stuck your head in the sands of denial, and repeated your claim as if those passages did not exist.

You are welcome to adhere to any opinion you like.

The fact remains that you failed to address the scripture I presented, scripture that pertained directly to your claim.

If you do not want to discuss the message of Jesus (as per what is stated in scripture) that is fine ... we can leave it at that.
 
thinkagain said:
I did not say you failed in your point. I did say you failed to back up your claim. You gave an interpretation of a vague passage in scripture and when I presented scripture (from Jesus) that explained the passage and contradicted your interpretation you ignored those passages, stuck your head in the sands of denial, and repeated your claim as if those passages did not exist.

You are welcome to adhere to any opinion you like.

The fact remains that you failed to address the scripture I presented, scripture that pertained directly to your claim.

If you do not want to discuss the message of Jesus (as per what is stated in scripture) that is fine ... we can leave it at that.
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its the same

i failed in nothing, because what i said from the beginning is, one cannot call themselves a christian and not believe in Jesus.

there are people who want the spirituality of christianity in their lives, however they want to exclude things in the bible they don't like, so they come up with things with are not truth to pacify their soul.
 
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Master PO said:
its the same

i failed in nothing, because what i said from the beginning is, one cannot call themselves a christian and not believe in Jesus.

there are people who want the spirituality of christianity in their lives, however they want to exclude things in the bible they don't like, so they come up with things with are not truth to pacify their soul.
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You failed to discuss the teachings of Jesus from scripture that contradicted your claim. If you want to spout man made dogma that you have ingested and call it your truth that is fine. Just do not try to claim it is "the truth" when you are not even willing to discuss scripture related to your claim.

If you want to ignore the teachings of Jesus from scripture that is fine. I did not ignore the scripture you posted. What more do you want me to say ?
 
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You failed to discuss the teachings of Jesus from scripture that contradicted your claim. If you want to spout man made dogma that you have ingested and call it your truth that is fine. Just do not try to claim it is "the truth" when you are not even willing to discuss scripture related to your claim.

If you want to ignore the teachings of Jesus from scripture that is fine. I did not ignore the scripture you posted. What more do you want me to say ?
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please don't run a con job on me

my original post had to do with a person saying " you can be a christian and not believe in Jesus"

my reply "no you cant", and my quote of Jesus was spot on, because the teachings of Jesus are easy it is the church which makes its more complicated.
 
Master PO said:
please don't run a con job on me

my original post had to do with a person saying " you can be a christian and not believe in Jesus"

my reply "no you cant", and my quote of Jesus was spot on, because the teachings of Jesus are easy it is the church which makes its more complicated.
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Why would you state that me posting scripture (teachings of Jesus that contradict your claim) is running a con job ? You are the one that is trying to con people in to believing that if they do not subscribe to your man made doctrine that they are not Christian.

Further, you are being duplicitous by using ambiguous terminology "belief in Jesus" when you mean "belief that Jesus was divine". "Belief in Jesus" could just as easily mean belief in the teachings of Jesus.
 
thinkagain said:
Why would you state that me posting scripture (teachings of Jesus that contradict your claim) is running a con job ? You are the one that is trying to con people in to believing that if they do not subscribe to your man made doctrine that they are not Christian.

Further, you are being duplicitous by using ambiguous terminology "belief in Jesus" when you mean "belief that Jesus was divine". "Belief in Jesus" could just as easily mean belief in the teachings of Jesus.
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jesus teaching - i am, the WAY, the truth and the life.

i already had someone tell me, that they believe in the teachings of jesus, however they are not going to listen to a book witten after Jesus death, .....which my reply would be, "where do you get the teachings you believe in then?"
 
Master PO said:
jesus teaching - i am, the WAY, the truth and the life.

i already had someone tell me, that they believe in the teachings of jesus, however they are not going to listen to a book witten after Jesus death, .....which my reply would be, "where do you get the teachings you believe in then?"
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Just because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life" does not mean that those who follow the teachings of Jesus (but do not believe Jesus was divine) are not Christians/ and by inference will not make it to heaven.

The passage you quote is about eternal life and the way to get there through Jesus (I am the way) and through the teachings of Jesus (truth). If you think this passage is talking about something else then say what you think.

I posted scripture from Jesus where he is shown as the "gate keeper" = you have to go through Jesus to gain eternal life.

I also posted scripture from Jesus explaining "The way" what Jesus states is "the way" to heaven.

if you want to ignore the teachings of Jesus in relation the 9 words of scripture that is your choice.

What is absurd is you willfully ignoring the teachings of Jesus and then saying:

i already had someone tell me, that they believe in the teachings of jesus, however they are not going to listen to a book witten after Jesus death, .....which my reply would be, "where do you get the teachings you believe in then
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Are you talking about yourself here ? It is you that does not want to listen to the teachings of Jesus and in fact you yourself admitted that you did not want to listen/discuss scripture I posted.
 
thinkagain said:
Just because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life" does not mean that those who follow the teachings of Jesus (but do not believe Jesus was divine) are not Christians/ and by inference will not make it to heaven.

The passage you quote is about eternal life and the way to get there through Jesus (I am the way) and through the teachings of Jesus (truth). If you think this passage is talking about something else then say what you think.

I posted scripture from Jesus where he is shown as the "gate keeper" = you have to go through Jesus to gain eternal life.

I also posted scripture from Jesus explaining "The way" what Jesus states is "the way" to heaven.

if you want to ignore the teachings of Jesus in relation the 9 words of scripture that is your choice.

What is absurd is you willfully ignoring the teachings of Jesus and then saying:


i am the way = path...... to believe in the teachings of jesus, one must accept that Jesus sacrifice of himself on the cross, in which he took the worlds sins upon himself, when you accept that, your sins are covered with the blood of Jesus.

when one accepts jesus into their heart, then they will live by the word Jesus taught.



Are you talking about yourself here ? It is you that does not want to listen to the teachings of Jesus and in fact you yourself had admitted this a few posts ago.
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no i didn't, you would like to think so, but i have stated to a simple truth

the teachings of Jesus come from the bible, once they do not come from that source then they can be corrupted.
 
Master PO said:
no i didn't, you would like to think so, but i have stated to a simple truth

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You say right here that you did not answer.

Master PO said:
no i didn't fail in my point, and to tell me i failed because i didn't answer what you said.:doh
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What I presented was passages from the Bible. Passages that you have consistently refused to discuss despite my asking you to discuss these passes numerous times.

It is you that has refused to comment or discuss the passages from the Bible I presented and then you turn around and start talking about people that do not want to listen to the book written after the death of Jesus.

the teachings of Jesus come from the bible, once they do not come from that source then they can be corrupted
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Then why do you continually refuse to discuss the teachings from Jesus given in the passages from the Bible I presented ?
 
Reading the First Amendment isn't hard. What's hard, is reading it and pretending it says what it doesn't say. Concerning religion, it says:
"Congress shall make no law concerning the establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercies thereof...."

That's it. Really simple. Really easy to understand. Until you want the Constitution to guarantee there will be no religion. Then it's a problem.


In its entirety:
"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
 
thinkagain said:
You say right here that you did not answer. P



What I presented was passages from the Bible. Passages that you have consistently refused to discuss despite my asking you to discuss these passes numerous times.

It is you that has refused to comment or discuss the passages from the Bible I presented and then you turn around and start talking about people that do not want to listen to the book written after the death of Jesus.



Then why do you continually refuse to discuss the teachings from Jesus given in the passages from the Bible I presented ?
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I dont debate deep into the bible, because as a christian it is foolhish to do so, my point has been simple ,your not a christian if you dont beleve jesus is the way...path
 
Master PO said:
I dont debate deep into the bible, because as a christian it is foolhish to do so, my point has been simple ,your not a christian if you dont beleve jesus is the way...path
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Why is it foolish for a Christian to try to understand the teachings of Jesus ? At you listening to what you are saying ?

You are also being disingenuous in relation to what your point has been.

I said earlier that point of being a "Christian" is that if you follow the teachings of Christ you will get to heaven/avoid hell. You disagreed.

Your point was that you have to believe that Jesus is Divine in order to get into heaven.

The question then is what is Jesus saying when he says "I am the way, the truth the life" You keep repeating this over and over but you have not even said what it means to say ... A Christian has to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth the life.

All I did was give some passages to shed some light on what Jesus meant when he said "I am the way, the truth, the life"

Why on earth would I accept your interpretation over the interpretation of Jesus ?

What you are essentially saying is that I should accept your interpretation of this passage over the words of Jesus in relation to this passage because it is foolish for a Christian to look to the Bible for answers ?

Sorry but this just makes no sense IMO.
 
thinkagain said:
Why is it foolish for a Christian to try to understand the teachings of Jesus ? At you listening to what you are saying ?

You are also being disingenuous in relation to what your point has been.

I said earlier that point of being a "Christian" is that if you follow the teachings of Christ you will get to heaven/avoid hell. You disagreed.

Your point was that you have to believe that Jesus is Divine in order to get into heaven.

The question then is what is Jesus saying when he says "I am the way, the truth the life" You keep repeating this over and over but you have not even said what it means to say ... A Christian has to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth the life.

All I did was give some passages to shed some light on what Jesus meant when he said "I am the way, the truth, the life"

Why on earth would I accept your interpretation over the interpretation of Jesus ?

What you are essentially saying is that I should accept your interpretation of this passage over the words of Jesus in relation to this passage because it is foolish for a Christian to look to the Bible for answers ?

Sorry but this just makes no sense IMO.
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you are not listening, i am secure in my faith, and dont have to deabte with people over it.

Why do people want to debate faith, who have no need of it?

Is it an attempt to dissuade people that do.?

If i did not believe i would not watse my time on it.

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Master PO said:
you are not listening, i am secure in my faith, and dont have to deabte with people over it.

Why do people want to debate faith, who have no need of it?

Is it an attempt to dissuade people that do.?

If i did not believe i would not watse my time on it.

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I did listen. You keep repeating one quote from Jesus over and over again but can not explain what it means.

You tell people they are not Christians if they do not believe that Jesus is "the way, the truth, the life" but will not say what you mean by this. Then you turn around and claim others are trying to dissuade you from your faith ? Is this not what you are doing ?

You call out others of not wanting to look at a book written after the death of Jesus (the Bible) and then infer that it is foolish for Christians to study the Bible.

You accused me of trying to con you because I brought up passages from Jesus that related to the passage you kept repeating.

You call out others claiming they are not Christians for having a different interpretation of the definition of what it means to be a Christian than you do ... and now you are saying you do not want to debate issues of faith.

You have contradicted your self so many times I have lost count. I do not know what your particular faith entails but, contradiction and hypocrisy does not seem a sound foundation.

Although you have intimated that you think it is foolish for Christians to study the teachings of Jesus, I am going to quote from the man yet once again.

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25*The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26*But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27*The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
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IMO ... a foundation of contradiction and hypocrisy is one built on sand.
 
Master PO said:
you are not listening, i am secure in my faith, and dont have to deabte with people over it.
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Yet you are debating it. You seemingly have a need to debate non-believers.

Master PO said:
Why do people want to debate faith, who have no need of it?

Is it an attempt to dissuade people that do.?

If i did not believe i would not watse my time on it.

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Religious zealots will spend as much time debating atheists when they know they're not going to change their minds. So why do they waste their time? We have science on our side. You have a 2000 year old book written by anonymous, superstitious people that had to make up gods to explain life. No shred of evidence of a massive flood or of a burning bush or a meeting on the mount or a guy walking on water. Yet you still debate. All the while, scientists are actually trying to explain the causes of the universe and life.
 
thinkagain said:
I did listen. You keep repeating one quote from Jesus over and over again but can not explain what it means.

You tell people they are not Christians if they do not believe that Jesus is "the way, the truth, the life" but will not say what you mean by this. Then you turn around and claim others are trying to dissuade you from your faith ? Is this not what you are doing ?

You call out others of not wanting to look at a book written after the death of Jesus (the Bible) and then infer that it is foolish for Christians to study the Bible.

You accused me of trying to con you because I brought up passages from Jesus that related to the passage you kept repeating.

You call out others claiming they are not Christians for having a different interpretation of the definition of what it means to be a Christian than you do ... and now you are saying you do not want to debate issues of faith.

You have contradicted your self so many times I have lost count. I do not know what your particular faith entails but, contradiction and hypocrisy does not seem a sound foundation.

Although you have intimated that you think it is foolish for Christians to study the teachings of Jesus, I am going to quote from the man yet once again.



IMO ... a foundation of contradiction and hypocrisy is one built on sand.
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i said you don't listen and i said you are running a con - job, and i going to prove it now.

here is my quote of what i said:

Master PO said:
you are not listening, i am secure in my faith, and dont have to debate with people over it.
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here is your reply to my quote:

thinkagain said:
Although you have intimated that you think it is foolish for Christians to study the teachings of Jesus, I am going to quote from the man yet once again.
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there in ZERO relationship between the word debate and study, to debate is two sided argument, to study to devote time to knowledge, there is no connection of the two words....... so you didn't listen



i said you were running a con-job, and you are.

i said no person can be be a christian and not believe in Jesus, by way of Jesus saying i am the way, the truth and the life.

you have put forth that people can be christian and not believe in Jesus is the Son of God.

well i only to end your con -job now

in Jesus teachings to his disciples,Mattew 16:15 -17 by the sea of Galilee, Jesus said to his of his disciples, " who do you think i am"

to which Peter replied "YOU are the Son of God", to which Jesus said " you could not have KNOWN this Peter, unless it had be revealed to you by God"

Jesus in his teachings makes it clear, right then and there, he is the Son of God

so for you to say people believe in Jesus teachings and not believe Jesus is the Son of God....... is as i said..... it was a con -job.

because Jesus is very clear, he is the Son of God to his disciples.



Matthew 16:15 - He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Matthew 16:16 - Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:17 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
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Brewdog said:
Yet you are debating it. You seemingly have a need to debate non-believers.

although i am debating, it was not me would sought this, and i just ended my debate, by proving the other guy as not listening and not understanding what the bible's teaches, and mans relationship with the lord.

Religious zealots will spend as much time debating atheists when they know they're not going to change their minds. So why do they waste their time? We have science on our side. You have a 2000 year old book written by anonymous, superstitious people that had to make up gods to explain life. No shred of evidence of a massive flood or of a burning bush or a meeting on the mount or a guy walking on water. Yet you still debate. All the while, scientists are actually trying to explain the causes of the universe and life.
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i believe in Jesus, that is my belief, i myself don't care if you believe.

why do people who don't believe .....care?

if i did not believe in god, i would not spend my time debating, it makes no sense, do you really think you going to convert /dissuade people who believe over to your side by typing a few words to them?
 
Master PO said:
why do people who don't believe .....care?
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Real quick: the general non-believer position is that we don't care, as long as any religious belief is not made law, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the teaching and advancement of real science. That's it.

There are unfortunately, militant atheist a-holes, and FWIW, I do apologize for them. But most of us just want to be left alone to not believe as we see fit. And generally that's my experience--I am not hassled or oppressed by any religious group, and I hold the firm and unshakeable belief that one has the right to any religious belief that appeals to them, so long as it is not forced on anyone else. My only caveat to that is that I happen to live in a part of the world and in a part of this country (the U.S.) where my [non] belief suffers me no ill consequences. That isn't always the case everywhere so some people feel more strongly about these things than I do.
 
Opopanax said:
Real quick: the general non-believer position is that we don't care, as long as any religious belief is not made law, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the teaching and advancement of real science. That's it.

There are unfortunately, militant atheist a-holes, and FWIW, I do apologize for them. But most of us just want to be left alone to not believe as we see fit. And generally that's my experience--I am not hassled or oppressed by any religious group, and I hold the firm and unshakeable belief that one has the right to any religious belief that appeals to them, so long as it is not forced on anyone else. My only caveat to that is that I happen to live in a part of the world and in a part of this country (the U.S.) where my [non] belief suffers me no ill consequences. That isn't always the case everywhere so some people feel more strongly about these things than I do.
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i can understand, and i can respect people who don't believe in god, because of their conviction.
 
Master PO said:
i said you don't listen and i said you are running a con - job, and i going to prove it now.

here is my quote of what i said:




here is your reply to my quote:



there in ZERO relationship between the word debate and study, to debate is two sided argument, to study to devote time to knowledge, there is no connection of the two words....... so you didn't listen



i said you were running a con-job, and you are.

i said no person can be be a christian and not believe in Jesus, by way of Jesus saying i am the way, the truth and the life.

you have put forth that people can be christian and not believe in Jesus is the Son of God.

well i only to end your con -job now

in Jesus teachings to his disciples,Mattew 16:15 -17 by the sea of Galilee, Jesus said to his of his disciples, " who do you think i am"

to which Peter replied "YOU are the Son of God", to which Jesus said " you could not have KNOWN this Peter, unless it had be revealed to you by God"

Jesus in his teachings makes it clear, right then and there, he is the Son of God

so for you to say people believe in Jesus teachings and not believe Jesus is the Son of God....... is as i said..... it was a con -job.

because Jesus is very clear, he is the Son of God to his disciples.
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Of course there is a contextual relationship between your claim that it is foolish for Christians to debate the Bible and studying the Bible.

First off.. in case you did not realize .. this is a debate forum. If you are not here to debate/exchange ideas than go away. Debate is a form of idea exchange and idea exchange is a form of study.

I presented passages from Jesus which related to the passage you keep repeating over and over. You said you did not want to "debate" those passages. You were the one that used the term debate. In context what you are also saying is that you did not want to study those passages to see if the content shed light on the passage you keep quoting "I am the way, the Truth, the Light".

You are the one running a con job. The person you are conning is yourself. You have contradicted yourself numerous times and said many hypocritical things.

Then you start rambling on about whether or not Jesus is the "Son of God". Like I am supposed to assess your Biblical support for your claims (when you have stated that you will you do not want to look at the Biblical support I provided - as in your mind that would be "debating)

Even though you refuse to consider the scripture I give. I will consider yours as I have been all along. You present scripture as evidence that Jesus was the Son of God. I have never said he was not ?

The question before us is whether or not one has to believe that Jesus is the Son of God to obtain eternal life.

I presented Jesus's most famous sermon (Matt 5-7) Sermon on the mount. In this sermon Jesus does not ever mentioned that belief in him is required. Jesus talks about works being the will of the Father and says that only those that do the will of the Father get into heaven.

I also presented the Sheep and Goat's parable (Matt 25) where Jesus is shown as the gate-keeper in the act of deciding who get's eternal life and who does not.
Again Jesus decides on the basis of works but, in this passage the analogy is that the people who get into heaven do not know Jesus. They are judged on the basis of works and not whether or not they believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Your passage "The way, the truth, the life" is explained.. Of course Jesus is "the way". He is the Gate keeper .. he is Judge and Jury. You do not get into heaven without going through Jesus. One must go through Jesus to get into heaven. Further Jesus is the one that gives eternal life. He is the keeper of the fountain of youth. Last, if you follow the truth that Jesus speaks, follow his message, this is the path to eternal life.

You can disagree with my interpretation if you like. I do not profess to "speak for God" as you do. Telling others that if they do not follow my interpretation they will roast in hell as you do. I am not the arbiter of who get's in and who does not. I am not going to put myself in the place of Jesus (the Logos) - intermediary between God and Man.

but ... at least, I have provided Biblical support for my interpretation. You have not provided any Biblical support for your interpretation nor addressed the scripture I presented.

All you have done is repeat man made dogma as if this was the message of Jesus. Who is the con man here ?
 
thinkagain said:
Of course there is a contextual relationship between your claim that it is foolish for Christians to debate the Bible and studying the Bible.

First off.. in case you did not realize .. this is a debate forum. If you are not here to debate/exchange ideas than go away. Debate is a form of idea exchange and idea exchange is a form of study.

I presented passages from Jesus which related to the passage you keep repeating over and over. You said you did not want to "debate" those passages. You were the one that used the term debate. In context what you are also saying is that you did not want to study those passages to see if the content shed light on the passage you keep quoting "I am the way, the Truth, the Light".

You are the one running a con job. The person you are conning is yourself. You have contradicted yourself numerous times and said many hypocritical things.

Then you start rambling on about whether or not Jesus is the "Son of God". Like I am supposed to assess your Biblical support for your claims (when you have stated that you will you do not want to look at the Biblical support I provided - as in your mind that would be "debating)

Even though you refuse to consider the scripture I give. I will consider yours as I have been all along. You present scripture as evidence that Jesus was the Son of God. I have never said he was not ?

The question before us is whether or not one has to believe that Jesus is the Son of God to obtain eternal life.

I presented Jesus's most famous sermon (Matt 5-7) Sermon on the mount. In this sermon Jesus does not ever mentioned that belief in him is required. Jesus talks about works being the will of the Father and says that only those that do the will of the Father get into heaven.

I also presented the Sheep and Goat's parable (Matt 25) where Jesus is shown as the gate-keeper in the act of deciding who get's eternal life and who does not.
Again Jesus decides on the basis of works but, in this passage the analogy is that the people who get into heaven do not know Jesus. They are judged on the basis of works and not whether or not they believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Your passage "The way, the truth, the life" is explained.. Of course Jesus is "the way". He is the Gate keeper .. he is Judge and Jury. You do not get into heaven without going through Jesus. One must go through Jesus to get into heaven. Further Jesus is the one that gives eternal life. He is the keeper of the fountain of youth. Last, if you follow the truth that Jesus speaks, follow his message, this is the path to eternal life.

You can disagree with my interpretation if you like. I do not profess to "speak for God" as you do. Telling others that if they do not follow my interpretation they will roast in hell as you do. I am not the arbiter of who get's in and who does not. I am not going to put myself in the place of Jesus (the Logos) - intermediary between God and Man.

but ... at least, I have provided Biblical support for my interpretation. You have not provided any Biblical support for your interpretation nor addressed the scripture I presented.

All you have done is repeat man made dogma as if this was the message of Jesus. Who is the con man here ?
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your done, because you made errors by not listening and saying study instead of debate, which the two are different.

and you done, because as i told you already Jesus teachings are he is the Son of God, so if one follows the teachings of jesus, one follows that central teaching.

if the dont follow that, then they are not christian.
 
Master PO said:
your done, because you made errors by not listening and saying study instead of debate, which the two are different.

and you done, because as i told you already Jesus teachings are he is the Son of God, so if one follows the teachings of jesus, one follows that central teaching.

if the dont follow that, then they are not christian.
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I'm not done. Clearly you are not done either because you are still trying to "debate" the Bible; even through you said it was foolish for Christians to debate the Bible.

Hypocrisy and contradiction.... yet again.

I wish you were done ... done conning people by telling them if they don't not believe that Jesus is son of God they will roast in hell and then accuse those who try to correct your folly of being con artists.

Proverbs states that the fool hates correction.

What I think is foolish is one who claims to speak for God. Just my opinion but you are not Jesus - the one who is authorized to speak for God.

You do not have the authority to determine who goes to hell and who goes to heaven.

Jesus says that almost any sin can be forgiven ...the one sin that can not be forgiven (from my analysis of the passage) is "Speaking for God".

Perhaps my interpretation is flawed. You better hope so.

Jesus has a few unkind words about hypocrites as well, and those who spread false doctrine.
 
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Opopanax said:
Real quick: the general non-believer position is that we don't care, as long as any religious belief is not made law, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the teaching and advancement of real science. That's it.

There are unfortunately, militant atheist a-holes, and FWIW, I do apologize for them. But most of us just want to be left alone to not believe as we see fit. And generally that's my experience--I am not hassled or oppressed by any religious group, and I hold the firm and unshakeable belief that one has the right to any religious belief that appeals to them, so long as it is not forced on anyone else. My only caveat to that is that I happen to live in a part of the world and in a part of this country (the U.S.) where my [non] belief suffers me no ill consequences. That isn't always the case everywhere so some people feel more strongly about these things than I do.
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The really important part of your post is that religious dogma and superstitions NOT be incorporated into the secular law. In too many cases that has failed, and the secular law advances one religion over another. Bad law, invalid law.
 
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