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    Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Here is a interesting read I found on atheism that exemplifies to some extent the root philosophy and 'substantial' meaning of the word.

    Here is how it works.

    People absorb the environment around them. From this environment they sort out what they 'believe' on everything.

    They sort what they believe as acceptable in one bin vs what they believe as unacceptable in another bin.

    What they believe is the controlling factor in what and how they 'conduct themselves' throughout life.

    Hence the substantial definition of religion is a 'belief that one acts upon'.

    This is centered upon how the mind works in and of itself, not the final product or outcome of the process, though the outcome proves the process.

    In other words if the final product is atheism or christian makes no difference, if a person governs themselves with regard to their beliefs no matter where derived it is when the will commits to action that it becomes officially 'their' religion.

    In both cases the mind went through the same fundamental process as described above.

    Atheism Is a Religion

    Or at least it requires a God for you not to 'believe' in.

    This does not prove God exists, but it does show humans are wired or biologically predisposed to believe in something. When I interviewed him for this article, Newberg said his research demonstrates that "we are wired to have these beliefs about the world, to get at the fundamental stuff the universe is about. For many people, it includes God and for some it doesn't. Your brain is doing its best to understand the world and construct beliefs to understand it, and from an epistemological perspective there is no fundamental difference."


    So, whether you make sense of the world as an atheist and don't require the God postulate to complete your understanding, or you are a theist and your feelings and experiences tell you something greater is there, biologically speaking, that big blob of gray Jell-O in our skulls is like a giant arrow pointing us in the same direction. I believe that is delicious. And religious.

    Atheism Is a Religion - Reason.com

    I struggled to think of the appropriate language that could be a work around to the premise and have not come up with any other construction that made sense. Despite who or what we are it boils down to a set of personal 'beliefs'.

    Everything we consciously process is a 'belief', whether those beliefs are true or false notwithstanding.

    In other words atheists 'believe' God does not exist. Use of the negative results in the same and is purely semantic.
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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    If religion is merely a belief upon which you act, then taking antibiotics for an infection makes medical science a religion too.

    By casting the net out so broadly with this definition, you make everything a person does religious.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Plus the religious have summed up an omniscient, omnipotent non existent entity in order for their lives to be more meaningful. The atheists have not. How are atheists religious then?

    People absorb the environment around them. From this environment they sort out what they 'believe' on everything.

    They sort what they believe as acceptable in one bin vs what they believe as unacceptable in another bin.

    What they believe is the controlling factor in what and how they 'conduct themselves' throughout life.

    Hence the substantial definition of religion is a 'belief that one acts upon'.
    So an atheist would believe in the laws of physics, and empirical data, and would act upon them alone. Are these purely scientific concepts religion also?
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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by KokomoJojo View Post
    Here is a interesting read I found on atheism that exemplifies to some extent the root philosophy and 'substantial' meaning of the word.

    Here is how it works.

    People absorb the environment around them. From this environment they sort out what they 'believe' on everything.

    They sort what they believe as acceptable in one bin vs what they believe as unacceptable in another bin.

    What they believe is the controlling factor in what and how they 'conduct themselves' throughout life.

    Hence the substantial definition of religion is a 'belief that one acts upon'.

    This is centered upon how the mind works in and of itself, not the final product or outcome of the process, though the outcome proves the process.

    In other words if the final product is atheism or christian makes no difference, if a person governs themselves with regard to their beliefs no matter where derived it is when the will commits to action that it becomes officially 'their' religion.

    In both cases the mind went through the same fundamental process as described above.




    I struggled to think of the appropriate language that could be a work around to the premise and have not come up with any other construction that made sense. Despite who or what we are it boils down to a set of personal 'beliefs'.

    Everything we consciously process is a 'belief', whether those beliefs are true or false notwithstanding.

    In other words atheists 'believe' God does not exist. Use of the negative results in the same and is purely semantic.
    Of course it is a religion. Only Atheists hate the idea.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    If religion is merely a belief upon which you act, then taking antibiotics for an infection makes medical science a religion too.

    By casting the net out so broadly with this definition, you make everything a person does religious.
    It is broad, the word was constructed to be broad imo. This is why I added that the end product being true or false really does not matter. You would have gathered up everything you believe and to conclude medical science is correct, you would have a large library of facts and proofs to convince yourself that your belief is correct and that if you take the antibiotics you will be fine and your belief when you are cured would merely prove your belief to be correct.

    See what I mean the process is the same regardless of the subject matter.

    That is just a couple elements used to keep the story brief, it can start getting a bit thick when concepts of 'free will' and a host of other elements respecting thoughts and conception are included but ends up in the same place that religion is a belief that is acted upon.

    If your will and actions are not governed by you then they are governed by someone else.

    I dont see where narrowing it to subject matter (God, or praying etc) has any greater value or changes the meaning? The process is identical is it not?
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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course it is a religion. Only Atheists hate the idea.
    yeh according to that article they get a bit rattled over that.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Ok, good. Atheism is a religion. Now what? Why is this important to you?
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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by KokomoJojo View Post
    It is broad, the word was constructed to be broad imo. This is why I added that the end product being true or false really does not matter. You would have gathered up everything you believe and to conclude medical science is correct, you would have a large library of facts and proofs to convince yourself that your belief is correct and that if you take the antibiotics you will be fine and your belief when you are cured would merely prove your belief to be correct.

    See what I mean the process is the same regardless of the subject matter.

    That is just a couple elements used to keep the story brief, it can start getting a bit thick when concepts of 'free will' and a host of other elements respecting thoughts and conception are included but ends up in the same place that religion is a belief that is acted upon.

    If your will and actions are not governed by you then they are governed by someone else.

    I dont see where narrowing it to subject matter (God, or praying etc) has any greater value or changes the meaning? The process is identical is it not?
    Saying how each individual interprets the data available to us in this world constitutes a religious framework is certainly casting a wide net.

    If you're trying to say we're all religious and no one shares the same religion that's fine, but its very far from how most people define the term.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Isn't odd that "religious" folk want "atheism" to be a religion so badly...yet fight so hard to discount actual religions as false.

    If atheists claimed atheism was a religion..."religious" folk would be fighting with all their might to discount that claim.


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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Isn't odd that "religious" folk want "atheism" to be a religion so badly...yet fight so hard to discount actual religions as false.

    If atheists claimed atheism was a religion..."religious" folk would be fighting with all their might to discount that claim.

    I think that only goes to say that everyone is religious without regard to the final product or label you wish to put on it, but I agree that knife cuts both ways.

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