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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Saying how each individual interprets the data available to us in this world constitutes a religious framework is certainly casting a wide net.

    If you're trying to say we're all religious and no one shares the same [exact] religion that's fine, but its very far from how most people define the term.
    emphasis added [exact]

    yes that is exactly what I am saying. you can take any number of people claiming to be the same religion and none of them believe identical beliefs. At best they align themselves within specific common grounds, and attach an appropriate label. So yes that is exactly what I am saying, religion is personal to the extreme and completely individual.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Atheism is a Religion
    No, actually it isn't.

    noun religion
    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

    noun atheism
    disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, actually it isn't.

    noun religion
    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

    noun atheism
    disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
    if the extent of your philosophical review ends at the dictionary then we have little to discuss.

    Otherwise you might want to explain the substantial difference between;

    1) I disbelieve in the existence of God.
    2) I believe God does not exist.

    As I said early these are nothing more than semantic word games.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by KokomoJojo View Post
    if the extent of your philosophical review ends at the dictionary then we have little to discuss.
    Words have meanings. Making up new meanings for words on a whim to support your assertion precludes intelligent discussion. Saying that atheism is a religion is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by KokomoJojo View Post
    Otherwise you might want to explain the substantial difference between;

    1) I disbelieve in the existence of God.
    2) I believe God does not exist.
    There is no difference. It's simply two ways of expressing the same non-religious viewpoint.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Words have meanings. Making up new meanings for words on a whim to support your assertion precludes intelligent discussion. Saying that atheism is a religion is ridiculous.

    There is no difference. It's simply two ways of expressing the same non-religious viewpoint.
    Of course words have meanings. What I presented here and what is being presented in the article is not a new meaning but a reduction to its essence. This dates back over 1000 years ago.

    Anything you conceive and mentally process creates a belief, if you act upon that belief it is properly classified as your religion which has nothing to do with God or without God.

    You admit its a belief, its not much of a leap to understand that its a religion when put into action.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Atheism is a label applied by theists (theism being a basic foudation of religious beief in the supernatural) to anyone not sharing that belief. The time honoured response of "How is bald a hair colour?" leaps to mind.
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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Atheism is a label applied by theists (theism being a basic foudation of religious beief in the supernatural) to anyone not sharing that belief. The time honoured response of "How is bald a hair colour?" leaps to mind.
    I would argue that is one of several applications. Everything you just typed you 'belief' is correct. It extends beyond supernatural though generally through out the ages the main usage has been selling God.

    The problem you are faced with is the semantics as I expressed earlier. It becomes circular. I have not found a way around that.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Here is the thing. To be a religion you need more than a thought.

    To be a religion one starts with a belief system. While some atheists fall into this category (the belief that there is no God or Gods). Other simple do not believe in any God. It is unimportant to them.

    Now to be a religion you also have to have a collectivity. Religion involves agreement with others. This is where atheism falls apart a little. Atheists tend not to seek other atheists to be atheists together. Now some humanists do this. But that is a subgroup that often is seeking a form of religion. Most atheists do not seek atheist groups to "do atheism".

    Then you need ritual and practice. Something that expresses the a way of acting together. Atheism doesn't have this.

    To call atheism a religion is not a philosophical argument, it a lazy way to attack them.

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Plus the religious have summed up an omniscient, omnipotent non existent entity in order for their lives to be more meaningful. The atheists have not. How are atheists religious then?



    So an atheist would believe in the laws of physics, and empirical data, and would act upon them alone. Are these purely scientific concepts religion also?
    People turn science into a religion, it's called "Scientism".

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    re: Atheism is a religion [W:1586,2242]

    Quote Originally Posted by KokomoJojo View Post
    Anything you conceive and mentally process creates a belief, if you act upon that belief it is properly classified as your religion which has nothing to do with God or without God.
    No. You've broadened the meaning of religion as to rendered it meaningless. A religion is a set of beliefs about what happens after death.

    In addition, I'm yet to see an atheist act on their non-belief in God.
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    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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