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Conservatives MUST choose Leslyn Lewis for leader

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I have watched the English debate the other night. Having contemplated and slept on it, I've come to the conclusion that the next leader for the Conservative Party MUST be Leslyn Lewis. She is the only one among all candidates to beat Justin Trudeau.

The only drawback for her is her lack of experience, and her performance that needs some polishing. Those two can be remedied.




Here are my reasons why I think that she should be the next leader to take on Trudeau.


*Her platform can be palatable to all Canadians.


*In today's world....... being female, and black, and with her Masters degree on Environment........she is the best challenger to face Trudeau.



*Her leadership would eliminate the persistent, perceived image that the CPC is a nestful of supremacists. The liberals won't be able to use that attack.



*The Liberals will be walking very, very carefully on eggshells with their attack ads.....and chances are, Trudeau and his big mouth will be the Liberal's biggest pitfall.

What attacks will they be able to use?
How can they attack her lack of experience?
Isn't lack of equal opportunity one of the biggest gripes by people of color - gaining experience is hindered by denied opportunity?

By having her opposite Trudeau, will disarm the Liberals attack machine! UNLESS they can dig up something in her past that they can use against her, there is no way they can smear her. Even then, they'll really have to be very, very careful.

But Conservatives can bring up Trudeau's past gaffes regarding race and gender. Who can forget the blackface?
The way he shamefully treated the indigenous female Justice Minister?



*Lewis is not a career politician. She is not from the Conservative Party elite.


*Riding on the current guilt-tripping mode the world is in - Lewis has a very big chance with Canadians (liberals and socialists alike). Especially so now that Klobuchar had stepped down and urging Biden to choose a woman of colour as a running mate - that's how the mindset of liberals will be!

The liberals/socialists in Canada will be torn apart with angst. Will they deny this opportunity to a female, woman of colour?
I bet they will look past other defining ideologies of liberalism and would latch on this.



*And......think about our diversed people of colour. Lewis will become the perfect role-model!


* She has a likeable, dignified personality.



Imagine the global publicity of this election (Lewis vs Trudeau)! The whole world will be watching.




I urge Conservatives to SEIZE THIS MOMENT!



It will be groundbreaking, and refreshing, to see Lewis as PM.
 
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No idea who she was and when I google searched her the last news on her was from March or so.

I don't see her getting the votes to become party leader. Unless she can get more attention from.the media
 
No idea who she was and when I google searched her the last news on her was from March or so.

I don't see her getting the votes to become party leader. Unless she can get more attention from.the media

I found this:


Policies - Leslyn Lewis



Yes, she does need exposure.
 
I found this:


Policies - Leslyn Lewis



Yes, she does need exposure.

Tosca1:

She can't speak French - she's dead in the water in the sea of Canadian politics. I watched the French language debate and Ms. Lewis read pre-prepared answers in French badly. It was excruciating to listen to. I was unable to watch the English debate, but I will watch it later. I hope she performed better in English.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
She would be cyanide to the Conservatives, they would probably lose most or all of their seats in Quebec due to her lack of French and her SoCon values would alienate everyone but the most hardcore Prairie voters.

Though it is not like she has a chnace of winning.
 
Tosca1:

She can't speak French - she's dead in the water in the sea of Canadian politics. I watched the French language debate and Ms. Lewis read pre-prepared answers in French badly. It was excruciating to listen to. I was unable to watch the English debate, but I will watch it later. I hope she performed better in English.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.


This is a novel clime we're in right now. We've never seen a global moment like what we're seeing now.

I don't think French would be deemed a good excuse to not have a female of color (who holds a degree on Environment), for leader in this case.
The same as not willing to take part in a parade, either. Those will look too trivial by comparison to the issue of systemic racism.

This is a golden opportunity for Canada to show that we are not like the others - to be the first western nation to have a female of color as leader.
The thought of that could well prove to be too good to all Canadians.

It is highly likely she might be the unifier for Canadians.





She would be cyanide to the Conservatives, they would probably lose most or all of their seats in Quebec due to her lack of French and her SoCon values would alienate everyone but the most hardcore Prairie voters.

Though it is not like she has a chnace of winning.

On the contrary, She would be the cyanide for the all the other parties.

Most of their supporters are liberal/social leaning - this issue is dear to their hearts - as you can see with all the protests, and all governments everywhere are bending backwards to accomodate their constituents.

No, I don't think she has a chance of winning since there's hardly any publicity about her.
The Conservative elites are pushing for either McKay or O'Toole. But I'm hoping.....
 
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This is a novel clime we're in right now. We've never seen a global moment like what we're seeing now.

I don't think French would be deemed a good excuse to not have a female of color (who holds a degree on Environment), for leader in this case.
The same as not willing to take part in a parade, either. Those will look too trivial by comparison to the issue of systemic racism.

This is a golden opportunity for Canada to show that we are not like the others - to be the first western nation to have a female of color as leader.
The thought of that could well prove to be too good to all Canadians.

It is highly likely she might be the unifier for Canadians.







On the contrary, She would be the cyanide for the all the other parties.

Most of their supporters are liberal/social leaning - this issue is dear to their hearts - as you can see with all the protests, and all governments everywhere are bending backwards to accomodate their constituents.

No, I don't think she has a chance of winning since there's hardly any publicity about her.
The Conservative elites are pushing for either McKay or O'Toole. But I'm hoping.....

I find it ironic you are trying to promote support for a candidate who makes a big deal about opposing identity politics by appealing to identity politics. The fact she doesn't speak French is a very big deal because Quebec exists, and has nothing to do with her race and gender.

Social conservatism is poison to any political party in Canada, this has been proven many times, it is half the reason Scheer was such a bad leader. She isn't even palatable to a lot of her own party. The Canadian public has made it clear many times they do not like social conservatives. And in case you haven't noticed the Liberals are polling higher than they ever have at the moment. Why would the Conservatives want a leader that has even less appeal than Scheer? Mackay and O'Toole are talked about because they are the only ones possibly palatable by the Conservative party let alone the Canadian electorate. Lewis represents a fringe even within the Conservative party. What is the path to victory with a Lewis led Conservative party?
 
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Based on the link you provided about her policies, she looks like a great pick to me.

I suspect she may not be electable, but so what? I'm not going to vote Justin Trudeau Light into the Conservative Party leadership just because it gives the party broader appeal.
 
Based on the link you provided about her policies, she looks like a great pick to me.

I suspect she may not be electable, but so what? I'm not going to vote Justin Trudeau Light into the Conservative Party leadership just because it gives the party broader appeal.

Then I guess you can doom the Conservative party into further irrelevancy.
 
Then I guess you can doom the Conservative party into further irrelevancy.
If you're content with betraying your values and voting for the barely-lesser-evil, be my guest. I can't in good conscience join you. :shrug:

I have no use whatsoever for two completely homogenous, corrupt, and morally bankrupt parties like our southern neighbours. Their republic is hopelessly dysfunctional and growing more so by the day.

I'd be far happier if the Conservative Party split and my elected representative actually... you know... represented me.
 
If you're content with betraying your values and voting for the barely-lesser-evil, be my guest. I can't in good conscience join you. :shrug:

I have no use whatsoever for two completely homogenous, corrupt, and morally bankrupt parties like our southern neighbours. Their republic is hopelessly dysfunctional and growing more so by the day.

I'd be far happier if the Conservative Party split and my elected representative actually... you know... represented me.

I think that purpose would be better served by a relevant Conservative party that can serve as a real opposition to the Liberals, by focusing on purely fiscal issues. Instead of a social conservative party that essentially just becomes a Bloc like party for the social conservative fringe. Is opposition to gay and abortion rights really worth it?
 
I find it ironic you are trying to promote support for a candidate who makes a big deal about opposing identity politics by appealing to identity politics. The fact she doesn't speak French is a very big deal because Quebec exists, and has nothing to do with her race and gender.

Social conservatism is poison to any political party in Canada, this has been proven many times, it is half the reason Scheer was such a bad leader. She isn't even palatable to a lot of her own party. The Canadian public has made it clear many times they do not like social conservatives. And in case you haven't noticed the Liberals are polling higher than they ever have at the moment. Why would the Conservatives want a leader that has even less appeal than Scheer? Mackay and O'Toole are talked about because they are the only ones possibly palatable by the Conservative party let alone the Canadian electorate. Lewis represents a fringe even within the Conservative party. What is the path to victory with a Lewis led Conservative party?

Imo, highly likely, it wouldn't matter this time - with her - whether she can speak French or not.
Chances are, she'll be given a pass by Quebecers.

It wouldn't matter either whether she wants to march on Pride parade or not.
Those become TRIVIAL issues, at THIS TIME.

The issue on systemic racism, has taken hold of the world in a massive frenzy! THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT NOW!


Of course, that's my personal opinion, the way I see it.



You can make whatever you want about my take on who I think would be the best leader for the Conservative Party.

You're forgetting one fact here, though:
the Conservative Party wants a leader who can beat Trudeau! That seems to be the #1 priority for Conservative members!
Even me. So I don't care whether she's opposing or appealing to identity politics! :mrgreen: Like, who isn't? Really?

Have you been following the news at all? Do you even know what they say of Trudeau?





Justin Trudeau, Identity-Politics Hypocrite

He is asking for forgiveness, but he had none for a Chinese peer falsely accused of racism.


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is desperately trying to apologize for the multiple times he appeared in blackface. He has asked for forgiveness, blaming his behavior on the fact that he comes from “a place of privilege.” But now, he adds, “I have to acknowledge that that comes with a massive blind spot.”


Ironically, the candidate whom Wang supposedly smeared wasn’t troubled by her original post. Jasmeet Singh, who eventually won the by-election and is now the leader of the New Democratic Party against Trudeau in the October 21 national election, accepted her apology. “I didn’t take it personal at all. I am concerned with divisive politics,” he said.
Justin Trudeau: Identity-Politics Hypocrite | National Review



What I take from you is that somehow, you must agree with my assessment that if pitted against Trudeau, she'll win!

Relax. We both agree that it's unlikely she'll win the Conservative race.
So....I don't get what you're so worried about.
 
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Based on the link you provided about her policies, she looks like a great pick to me.

I suspect she may not be electable, but so what? I'm not going to vote Justin Trudeau Light into the Conservative Party leadership just because it gives the party broader appeal.


I'm telling you - if she goes head to head with Trudeau - it's a sure win for us!

She seems to be careful and diplomatic with her approach - something that is a positive for her with Canadians of all stripes.
I don't see her as a possible loose cannon. She has this "motherly" resonance about her.....which is good!

Too bad she isn't getting any publicity at all. Maybe, word-of-mouth will help?
If we keep talking about her and the big chance, we never know.....


I don't see us winning with Mackay or O'toole. The Liberals had prepared already for the likelihood of either one of them winning.
They have their attacks ready - and right now, those two are imploding with their squabbles!
 
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I think that purpose would be better served by a relevant Conservative party that can serve as a real opposition to the Liberals, by focusing on purely fiscal issues. Instead of a social conservative party that essentially just becomes a Bloc like party for the social conservative fringe. Is opposition to gay and abortion rights really worth it?

I'm curious. Are you a conservative?

What party do you belong to? You're a Liberal, if I'm not mistaken?
 
If you're content with betraying your values and voting for the barely-lesser-evil, be my guest. I can't in good conscience join you. :shrug:

I have no use whatsoever for two completely homogenous, corrupt, and morally bankrupt parties like our southern neighbours. Their republic is hopelessly dysfunctional and growing more so by the day.

I'd be far happier if the Conservative Party split and my elected representative actually... you know... represented me.

I think Carjosse is a Liberal supporter. Of course, I may be mistaken.
 
Is opposition to gay and abortion rights really worth it?
Yes. Even if they weren't, see my second reply to @tosca1 below.

Too bad she isn't getting any publicity at all. Maybe, word-of-mouth will help?
If we keep talking about her and the big chance, we never know.....
I have little faith in my countrymen to responsible, moral, or even honest leaders. I was resigned long ago to the reality that entropy is entropy, circling the drain is circling the drain, and there's nothing I can do about it. This isn't to say I've given up on trying to make my community and Canada as a whole a better and more prosperous place, but my faith in our government to be complicit in this end is microscopic, no matter the elected party.

Simply put: Canadians (like most of the Western world) aren't willing to do any of the things that are needed to stave off inevitable disaster. In a democracy, if the people aren't willing, elections are a proverbial rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Consider: P.M. Trudeau was elected with a majority on his first run. Canadians knew his father absolutely destroyed Canada's finances. They knew P.M. Trudeau was a carbon copy of his father. Yet based on his charm, ultra-progressive policies, and cult of personality (especially in the media), a majority elected him anyway. This fact alone tells you where Canadians' hearts and minds are. Deficits are meaningless numbers. Carbon taxes are sweet nothings. Quebec's growing profligacy at the expense of every other province in the union is the price of doing business. Multi-billion dollar financial boondoggles are a routine matter of public business. A woman's right to toke up or kill her unborn child is more dear than her right to take home more than 40% of her paycheque. Canadians, as a group, don't give a snow leopard's fuzzy white rump about fiscal conservatism. It's been dead and buried for over two decades. No person, no movement, no party can overcome this reality or the inevitable consequences.

I think Carjosse is a Liberal supporter. Of course, I may be mistaken.
If he says he votes Conservative, I'll believe him.

I get the impression @Carjosse is too fiscally conservative to be comfortable with the Liberal Party (which isn't saying much) but also socially progressive. Hence he wishes the Conservative Party would move left socially but not fiscally. I see this attitude expressed often, but its fatal flaw is that I can count on one hand the number of social-progressive-cum-fiscal-conservatives who remain fiscally conservative where the rubber hits the road. As soon as government starts implementing actual cutbacks to education, childcare, maternity leave, government services, social welfare, healthcare, or anything, the hue and cry goes up in the media about how many people are facing hardship, progressives follow the media with hearts bleeding, and fiscal conservatism goes right out the window.

The bottom line being that a true SP+FC is a creature more of myth than reality. For all intents and purposes, a move to the left in one aspect is equivalent to a move to the left in both.
 
I have watched the English debate the other night. Having contemplated and slept on it, I've come to the conclusion that the next leader for the Conservative Party MUST be Leslyn Lewis. She is the only one among all candidates to beat Justin Trudeau.

The only drawback for her is her lack of experience, and her performance that needs some polishing. Those two can be remedied.




Here are my reasons why I think that she should be the next leader to take on Trudeau.


*Her platform can be palatable to all Canadians.


*In today's world....... being female, and black, and with her Masters degree on Environment........she is the best challenger to face Trudeau.



*Her leadership would eliminate the persistent, perceived image that the CPC is a nestful of supremacists. The liberals won't be able to use that attack.



*The Liberals will be walking very, very carefully on eggshells with their attack ads.....and chances are, Trudeau and his big mouth will be the Liberal's biggest pitfall.

What attacks will they be able to use?
How can they attack her lack of experience?
Isn't lack of equal opportunity one of the biggest gripes by people of color - gaining experience is hindered by denied opportunity?

By having her opposite Trudeau, will disarm the Liberals attack machine! UNLESS they can dig up something in her past that they can use against her, there is no way they can smear her. Even then, they'll really have to be very, very careful.

But Conservatives can bring up Trudeau's past gaffes regarding race and gender. Who can forget the blackface?
The way he shamefully treated the indigenous female Justice Minister?



*Lewis is not a career politician. She is not from the Conservative Party elite.


*Riding on the current guilt-tripping mode the world is in - Lewis has a very big chance with Canadians (liberals and socialists alike). Especially so now that Klobuchar had stepped down and urging Biden to choose a woman of colour as a running mate - that's how the mindset of liberals will be!

The liberals/socialists in Canada will be torn apart with angst. Will they deny this opportunity to a female, woman of colour?
I bet they will look past other defining ideologies of liberalism and would latch on this.



*And......think about our diversed people of colour. Lewis will become the perfect role-model!


* She has a likeable, dignified personality.



Imagine the global publicity of this election (Lewis vs Trudeau)! The whole world will be watching.




I urge Conservatives to SEIZE THIS MOMENT!



It will be groundbreaking, and refreshing, to see Lewis as PM.

Well what you say is probably true but are you and I appealing to cynicism and tokenism for thinking that way?

I think she has merit and is a fresh outsider and for that reason I would pick her at this point. I think realistically you know they will just put McKay back in. He's all but been given the job back.
 
Well what you say is probably true but are you and I appealing to cynicism and tokenism for thinking that way?

I think she has merit and is a fresh outsider and for that reason I would pick her at this point. I think realistically you know they will just put McKay back in. He's all but been given the job back.

I agree with you - McKay seems to be the crown prince.
I don't think McKay stands a chance against Trudeau.
With his past positions in politics, the Libs had most prepared for the likelihood that he'll be the next leader - and likely to have quite a lot to throw against him.
 
I'd be far happier if the Conservative Party split and my elected representative actually... you know... represented me.

Same here.
 
Yes. Even if they weren't, see my second reply to @tosca1 below.


I have little faith in my countrymen to responsible, moral, or even honest leaders. I was resigned long ago to the reality that entropy is entropy, circling the drain is circling the drain, and there's nothing I can do about it. This isn't to say I've given up on trying to make my community and Canada as a whole a better and more prosperous place, but my faith in our government to be complicit in this end is microscopic, no matter the elected party.

Simply put: Canadians (like most of the Western world) aren't willing to do any of the things that are needed to stave off inevitable disaster. In a democracy, if the people aren't willing, elections are a proverbial rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Consider: P.M. Trudeau was elected with a majority on his first run. Canadians knew his father absolutely destroyed Canada's finances. They knew P.M. Trudeau was a carbon copy of his father. Yet based on his charm, ultra-progressive policies, and cult of personality (especially in the media), a majority elected him anyway. This fact alone tells you where Canadians' hearts and minds are. Deficits are meaningless numbers. Carbon taxes are sweet nothings. Quebec's growing profligacy at the expense of every other province in the union is the price of doing business. Multi-billion dollar financial boondoggles are a routine matter of public business. A woman's right to toke up or kill her unborn child is more dear than her right to take home more than 40% of her paycheque. Canadians, as a group, don't give a snow leopard's fuzzy white rump about fiscal conservatism. It's been dead and buried for over two decades. No person, no movement, no party can overcome this reality or the inevitable consequences.


If he says he votes Conservative, I'll believe him.

I get the impression @Carjosse is too fiscally conservative to be comfortable with the Liberal Party (which isn't saying much) but also socially progressive. Hence he wishes the Conservative Party would move left socially but not fiscally. I see this attitude expressed often, but its fatal flaw is that I can count on one hand the number of social-progressive-cum-fiscal-conservatives who remain fiscally conservative where the rubber hits the road. As soon as government starts implementing actual cutbacks to education, childcare, maternity leave, government services, social welfare, healthcare, or anything, the hue and cry goes up in the media about how many people are facing hardship, progressives follow the media with hearts bleeding, and fiscal conservatism goes right out the window.

The bottom line being that a true SP+FC is a creature more of myth than reality. For all intents and purposes, a move to the left in one aspect is equivalent to a move to the left in both.

I am a Liberal supporter. The Conservatives are a mess of party far too focused on social issues and oil. As Mackay said in the debates things like abortion and gay rights are settled issues, not to mention rights enshrined in our constitution, and just serve to make the party unelectable to a lot Canadians and in particular key voters. I am a Liberal in the spirit of European Liberal Democrats, fiscal responsibility does not mean slashing and burning social programs. Social programs are an investment platform for society. And a strong Conservative opposition not distracted by social issues and subsidizing the oil industry is what will cause that. Canadians have made it clear that social conservatism has no place in government, even Alberta can no longer deny that.
 
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Imo, highly likely, it wouldn't matter this time - with her - whether she can speak French or not.
Chances are, she'll be given a pass by Quebecers.

It wouldn't matter either whether she wants to march on Pride parade or not.
Those become TRIVIAL issues, at THIS TIME.

The issue on systemic racism, has taken hold of the world in a massive frenzy! THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT NOW!


Of course, that's my personal opinion, the way I see it.



You can make whatever you want about my take on who I think would be the best leader for the Conservative Party.

You're forgetting one fact here, though:
the Conservative Party wants a leader who can beat Trudeau! That seems to be the #1 priority for Conservative members!
Even me. So I don't care whether she's opposing or appealing to identity politics! :mrgreen: Like, who isn't? Really?

Have you been following the news at all? Do you even know what they say of Trudeau?






Justin Trudeau: Identity-Politics Hypocrite | National Review



What I take from you is that somehow, you must agree with my assessment that if pitted against Trudeau, she'll win!

Relax. We both agree that it's unlikely she'll win the Conservative race.
So....I don't get what you're so worried about.

Tell me what exactly is her path to victory, when she can't even win over the Conservative base? How do you expect her to win against Trudeau and the Liberals when she can't even win over her own party? The Liberals dominate the Maritimes, the lack of French dooms her in Quebec, the social conservatism loses her the GTA, BC, and probably urban Alberta. Where the hell is she going to win seats?
 
I think that purpose would be better served by a relevant Conservative party that can serve as a real opposition to the Liberals, by focusing on purely fiscal issues. Instead of a social conservative party that essentially just becomes a Bloc like party for the social conservative fringe. Is opposition to gay and abortion rights really worth it?

Personally I'm perfectly fine with an irrelevant Conservative party, especially if that means the NDP taking up its mantle as the real opposition so Canada can begin to move in a truly European direction versus gradually inching towards a plutocratic American one (and yes, it has continued to do so, even under Trudeau).
 
This is a novel clime we're in right now. We've never seen a global moment like what we're seeing now.

I don't think French would be deemed a good excuse to not have a female of color (who holds a degree on Environment), for leader in this case.
The same as not willing to take part in a parade, either. Those will look too trivial by comparison to the issue of systemic racism.

This is a golden opportunity for Canada to show that we are not like the others - to be the first western nation to have a female of color as leader.
The thought of that could well prove to be too good to all Canadians.

It is highly likely she might be the unifier for Canadians.







On the contrary, She would be the cyanide for the all the other parties.

Most of their supporters are liberal/social leaning - this issue is dear to their hearts - as you can see with all the protests, and all governments everywhere are bending backwards to accomodate their constituents.

No, I don't think she has a chance of winning since there's hardly any publicity about her.
The Conservative elites are pushing for either McKay or O'Toole. But I'm hoping.....

You seem to be forgetting Jagmeet Singh. An ethnic and religious minority who leans on the socially liberal side.

So she would avoid claims of racial bigotry but still get hammered on social issues. The Conservatives on the other hand would be limited in using her ethnicity to attack of parties because of Singh
 
Tell me what exactly is her path to victory, when she can't even win over the Conservative base? How do you expect her to win against Trudeau and the Liberals when she can't even win over her own party? The Liberals dominate the Maritimes, the lack of French dooms her in Quebec, the social conservatism loses her the GTA, BC, and probably urban Alberta. Where the hell is she going to win seats?

The two front runners have all the publicity.
I don't see anyone except those two in political talk shows - I don't know if Lewis and Sloan had ever been invited to any talk shows like
Power Play of Vassi Kapellos.

Surely, if she becomes the leader of the Conservative Party - it changes all that.
She'll surely have the publicity that is usually afforded to the leader of the Conservative Party.
 
You seem to be forgetting Jagmeet Singh. An ethnic and religious minority who leans on the socially liberal side.

So she would avoid claims of racial bigotry but still get hammered on social issues. The Conservatives on the other hand would be limited in using her ethnicity to attack of parties because of Singh

Jagmeet Singh is male. He wasn't hammered as much by the Liberals - they were careful around him too.
However, he represents the SOCIALIST Party.
Though many people are socialist-leaning, I don't think they want full-pledged socialism.



She may be hammered on social issues, but with mindset the whole world is in now regarding systemic racism - I'm betting many Canadians from different stripes will be willing to give the first black, female environmentalist contender the chance to break that ceiling.

I'm saying - we should exploit that mindset, and seize the moment.
We are the only party that has a black, female environmentalist on our ticket.

Just the chance to bust that persistent myth they keep using against the Conservatives - that we have supremacists among us -
would make it worth it.
 
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