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Trudeau Depicted as Sexual Assault Victim in Painting by 'Indigenous Queer Artist'

truthatallcost said:
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't see the validity in carrying around baggage from the 19th century today, especially for this artist who appears to be the antithesis of a poverty stricken indigenous person. But he's using the suffering of his people to become upwardly mobile, something countless others have done in the last several decades.
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I just noticed that your signature contains a quote by a noted sexual deviant, and close friend of Jeffrey Epstein. 'As long as no one's watching, anything goes' is rather ironic coming from that asshole.
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Excuse me but the fact someone is an artist and expresses political views in his art doesn't make him an exploiter of others. That is your projection. You in fact do not know this individual and his motivation. You also projected he claims to be poverty stricken-again that is your assumption it is not fact.

Furthermore the fact he has an opinion you disagree with does not make him any more upwardly mobile than you for expressing it. So that comment is illogical and nonsensical.

As for your contention all issues regarding aboriginals were in the 19th century is false. They continue to this day and furthermore arguing we have no right to refer back to the origins of a conflict to better understand it because you have an arbitrary time line of how far back we go is absurd and illogical.

Tell me are you upwardly mobile because you have an opinion? Where do you get off stereotyping people for making money? What he must be poverty strucl to be able to talk about it? How do you even know what he was paid for this painting or others? Are you saying he can't make any money?

Give your righteousness a rest. He is an artist, he never claimed to be a saviour of anyone just a satirist. He doesn't have to pass your test to be able to do what he does.

Finally you made yet another illogical assumption stating bringing attention to exploitation exploits it automatically.

Using your logic this means you exploit and are upwardly mobile whatever that means.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I never run away from white nationalists.
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I doubt that you've ever seen one in Canada, but back to my comment to you, you've ran from every encounter. Why are you suddenly talking to me? Did you grow a pair?
 
truthatallcost said:
I doubt that you've ever seen one in Canada, but back to my comment to you, you've ran from every encounter. Why are you suddenly talking to me? Did you grow a pair?
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There were quite a few in Alberta back in the 90s. Between Alberta, Montana and Idaho the Aryan Nations had a few camps and quite a few members

Except for a few losers, those with similar believes are to chicken to express them openly
 
Mika-El said:
Excuse me but the fact someone is an artist and expresses political views in his art doesn't make him an exploiter of others. That is your projection. You in fact do not know this individual and his motivation. You also projected he claims to be poverty stricken-again that is your assumption it is not fact.

Furthermore the fact he has an opinion you disagree with does not make him any more upwardly mobile than you for expressing it. So that comment is illogical and nonsensical.

As for your contention all issues regarding aboriginals were in the 19th century is false. They continue to this day and furthermore arguing we have no right to refer back to the origins of a conflict to better understand it because you have an arbitrary time line of how far back we go is absurd and illogical.

Tell me are you upwardly mobile because you have an opinion? Where do you get off stereotyping people for making money? What he must be poverty strucl to be able to talk about it? How do you even know what he was paid for this painting or others? Are you saying he can't make any money?

Give your righteousness a rest. He is an artist, he never claimed to be a saviour of anyone just a satirist. He doesn't have to pass your test to be able to do what he does.

Finally you made yet another illogical assumption stating bringing attention to exploitation exploits it automatically.

Using your logic this means you exploit and are upwardly mobile whatever that means.
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I really don't know what to make of your comment. I'm used to people on this site creating a strawman argument, but not a dozen strawman arguments in one post. Do you realize that you didn't represent what I said accurately?

The only point contained in your comment that I can identify as being legitimate is when you said the suffering of indigenous people continues today. Fair enough, but I think it's clear that Monkman's painting focused on the sexual abuse of indigenous women, which as far as I know, dates back to the 19th century. Modern indigenous women do experience rape more often than non-indigenous women, but those rapes occurring today are being done by others, not whites. Several years ago, mainstream media touted a new study that found that rape was most common in Alaska, which took most people by surprise. Headlines proclaimed the rape epidemic in Alaska, and leftists pointed to this finding to prove that a primarily white state could be an epicenter of rape. When people actually looked into the study, they found that most of the rapes in Alaska occur in the indigenous community, and the perpetrators are not white.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
There were quite a few in Alberta back in the 90s. Between Alberta, Montana and Idaho the Aryan Nations had a few camps and quite a few members

Except for a few losers, those with similar believes are to chicken to express them openly
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It's probably illegal for a white person to hold such views in Canada I'd assume. Europe uses their incitement to racial hatred laws to silence people who get a little too perturbed, and start pining for simpler times, when whites still controlled Europe's destiny. If similar laws exist in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised.

Most libs want white supremacists to openly admit they are such, but you're saying you don't want them to, or something to that effect?
 
truthatallcost said:
It's probably illegal for a white person to hold such views in Canada I'd assume. Europe uses their incitement to racial hatred laws to silence people who get a little too perturbed, and start pining for simpler times, when whites still controlled Europe's destiny. If similar laws exist in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised.

Most libs want white supremacists to openly admit they are such, but you're saying you don't want them to, or something to that effect?
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Anyone can hold the views they want to hold in Canada. No believe is illegal in Canada. Depending on how it is expressed, the expression of that belief might be

So being a white supremist is not illegal, neither is telling people you are. Openly advocating for the removal of other ethnicities can be.

Personally I know that a good portion of the population is going to be bigots of all various ethnicities. Society is far better off if the bigots are too afraid to openly express their bigotry. It should be kept in their closet. Canadian society would be much worse off if they all felt they could express it openly
 
truthatallcost said:
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't see the validity in carrying around baggage from the 19th century today, especially for this artist who appears to be the antithesis of a poverty stricken indigenous person. But he's using the suffering of his people to become upwardly mobile, something countless others have done in the last several decades.
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I just noticed that your signature contains a quote by a noted sexual deviant, and close friend of Jeffrey Epstein. 'As long as no one's watching, anything goes' is rather ironic coming from that asshole.
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TAAC:

You have shown some real ignorance here, I'm afraid. The Indian Act is still in effect in Canada and while some of its more racist clauses have been removed or modified, it is still a vehicle for the destruction and forced assimilation of First Nations cultures and languages today. The governments of several Canadian Provinces were forcibly sterilising First Nations and Metis women until the mid 1970's and the residential school policy which forcibly tore First Nations children from their families and forced them into residential (boarding) schools where they were assimilated and too often physically and sexually abused only ended in the very late 20th Century. So the abuses were not distant ones from the 19th Century. They continued far beyond that time and some continue today. I taught in Cree communities and saw first-hand what the Canadian state was doing to the First Nations kids and there families in the 1980's and it was vile.

The artist is both a successful antithesis of poverty and an upwardly mobile exploiter of his people's suffering you say. These are contradictory statements.

Dr. Lawrence Krauss has not been charged or convicted of anything. There is ample evidence of very inappropriate behaviour but he is hardly a sexual deviant. Making lewd comments, touching thighs and a breast without consent, and making women around him very uncomfortable is very wrong but is not "sexual deviancy" as you characterise it. Your hyperbole is noted. I respect Dr. Krauss as a physicist but not as a gentleman. Unfortunately many famous physicists carried on like frat boys during their careers. One which comes to mind is the brilliant Dr. Richard Feynman who treated women like crap for most of his adult life. That behaviour does not negate the advances in science which Feynman gave us. Nor does Krauss' lewd behaviour negate his quote in my signature. As you allude to, it proves he was right. Now, do Thomas Jefferson's sexual improprieties negate the Declaration of Independence or the US constitution? No, of course not. We live in a world of flawed people, who often succumb to their baser instincts/drives. The world isn't filled with white hats and black hats like some kid's western TV show. But seeing past black and white may be difficult for some with a Manichean world view and a pathological fixation on white.

Way to miss the point there TAAC.

No cheers for you but be well nonetheless.
Evilroddy.
 
truthatallcost said:
It's probably illegal for a white person to hold such views in Canada I'd assume. Europe uses their incitement to racial hatred laws to silence people who get a little too perturbed, and start pining for simpler times, when whites still controlled Europe's destiny. If similar laws exist in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised.

Most libs want white supremacists to openly admit they are such, but you're saying you don't want them to, or something to that effect?
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Ah yes, the “good old days” when millions of innocent people were systematically mass murdered, the Americans blasted your cities into ruin by day and the British by night, and huge numbers of troops marched off into Russia on the “Great Anti-Bolshevik Crusade” never to be seen again. What a wonderful time period :roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
I doubt that you've ever seen one in Canada, but back to my comment to you, you've ran from every encounter. Why are you suddenly talking to me? Did you grow a pair?
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TAAC:

There are plenty of white supremacists, white nationalists, Aryan-wannabes and neo-Nazis in Canada unfortunately. There are also anti-Black bigots and anti-Semites. I know this because I had to defend friends from their predations as a teen and young adult. They were mostly cowardly bullies and usually bugged out when confronted. Those that had some guts usually went to hospital. We looked after our own in Montreal, be they East Asian, Arab, Jew, Black, Anglo, Irish or the most noble Scots. In the spirit of full disclosure, I also ended up in the doctor's office a few times with broken bones or once a knife wound. But we always made sure the a**holes were in worse shape.

Still no cheers for you, but be well nonetheless.
Evilroddy.
 
truthatallcost said:
It's probably illegal for a white person to hold such views in Canada I'd assume. Europe uses their incitement to racial hatred laws to silence people who get a little too perturbed, and start pining for simpler times, when whites still controlled Europe's destiny. If similar laws exist in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised.

Most libs want white supremacists to openly admit they are such, but you're saying you don't want them to, or something to that effect?
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Being a white supremacist in Canada is not illegal inciting hatred or violence is. As for the rest of your couched references to your neo Nazi agenda.. no Liberal couchs your words, that cowardly exercise originates with you.

Careful I am only just started. Boo.
 
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Mika-El said:
Being a white supremacist in Canada is not illegal inciting hatred or violence is. As for the rest of your couched references to your neo Nazi agenda.. no Liberal couchs your words, that cowardly exercise originates with you.

Careful I am only just started. Boo.
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Where are you from Mika?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah yes, the “good old days” when millions of innocent people were systematically mass murdered, the Americans blasted your cities into ruin by day and the British by night, and huge numbers of troops marched off into Russia on the “Great Anti-Bolshevik Crusade” never to be seen again. What a wonderful time period :roll:
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Evilroddy said:
TAAC:

There are plenty of white supremacists, white nationalists, Aryan-wannabes and neo-Nazis in Canada unfortunately. There are also anti-Black bigots and anti-Semites. I know this because I had to defend friends from their predations as a teen and young adult. They were mostly cowardly bullies and usually bugged out when confronted. Those that had some guts usually went to hospital. We looked after our own in Montreal, be they East Asian, Arab, Jew, Black, Anglo, Irish or the most noble Scots. In the spirit of full disclosure, I also ended up in the doctor's office a few times with broken bones or once a knife wound. But we always made sure the a**holes were in worse shape.

Still no cheers for you, but be well nonetheless.
Evilroddy.
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You were a teen in this century? I'm sorry, but I've become accustomed to speaking with much older participants since joining this website. Perhaps you aren't older. My apologies if that is the case, it's just I'm fairly used to receiving replies from people who relate personal events about the Klan visiting their town, or a lynching or some horrific episode, and when I finally pin the story teller down, their story actually happened in the 1970s or something, so not very relevant to the modern present I should say.

I'll have to cheers myself then Roddy.

Cheers to me.
 
Evilroddy said:
TAAC:

You have shown some real ignorance here, I'm afraid. The Indian Act is still in effect in Canada and while some of its more racist clauses have been removed or modified, it is still a vehicle for the destruction and forced assimilation of First Nations cultures and languages today. The governments of several Canadian Provinces were forcibly sterilising First Nations and Metis women until the mid 1970's and the residential school policy which forcibly tore First Nations children from their families and forced them into residential (boarding) schools where they were assimilated and too often physically and sexually abused only ended in the very late 20th Century. So the abuses were not distant ones from the 19th Century. They continued far beyond that time and some continue today. I taught in Cree communities and saw first-hand what the Canadian state was doing to the First Nations kids and there families in the 1980's and it was vile.
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These types of experiments were undertaken in my country as well, and seemed to be counterproductive for the native Americans. What possible alternative should we consider then to our long held expectations of assimilation and academic achievement in a classical European styled educational system? Perhaps we should encourage the native Americans to return to a life that fits their culture, instead of ours? We could provide them with a fertile hunting ground, and fill it with buffalo and elk, and let them live without the burden of being forced to live according to our culture. This is just an idea, and I don't see the harm in trying it out, it can't be any worse than forcing them to convert to Catholicism, wear western styled clothing, and pursue European forms of education.
 
Evilroddy said:
Dr. Lawrence Krauss has not been charged or convicted of anything. There is ample evidence of very inappropriate behaviour but he is hardly a sexual deviant. Making lewd comments, touching thighs and a breast without consent, and making women around him very uncomfortable is very wrong but is not "sexual deviancy" as you characterise it.
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But when you take Krauss' friendship with Jeffrey Epstein into consideration, are you not left to wonder if the groping allegations were not an isolated case, but perhaps part of something much more serious? Krauss was still being photographed in public with Epstein, after Epstein's conviction for sex with a minor in 2008. He continued to dine with Epstein, and spend time with him, as late as 2013-2014.

Your hyperbole is noted. I respect Dr. Krauss as a physicist but not as a gentleman. Unfortunately many famous physicists carried on like frat boys during their careers. One which comes to mind is the brilliant Dr. Richard Feynman who treated women like crap for most of his adult life. That behaviour does not negate the advances in science which Feynman gave us. Nor does Krauss' lewd behaviour negate his quote in my signature. As you allude to, it proves he was right. Now, do Thomas Jefferson's sexual improprieties negate the Declaration of Independence or the US constitution? No, of course not. We live in a world of flawed people, who often succumb to their baser instincts/drives. The world isn't filled with white hats and black hats like some kid's western TV show. But seeing past black and white may be difficult for some with a Manichean world view and a pathological fixation on white.
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Krauss' contributions to the US cannot be compared with Thomas Jefferson, no. And if you're referring to the accepted theory that Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemmings, modern research suggests it was his brother, and not him.

Dismissing Krauss' sexual harassment of women, and his indiscreet friendship with Epstein as 'frat behavior' is about as ludicrous as it gets Roddy. Krauss was a respected professor, who traveled around with America's most evil pedophile, not a 20 year old cad lacking a fully formed brain. I'd have to say that you're 0 for 2 with your comparisons to Jefferson and frat boys.

Way to miss the point there TAAC.

No cheers for you but be well nonetheless.
Evilroddy.
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I don't miss the underlying significance Roddy.
 
truthatallcost said:
You were a teen in this century? I'm sorry, but I've become accustomed to speaking with much older participants since joining this website. Perhaps you aren't older. My apologies if that is the case, it's just I'm fairly used to receiving replies from people who relate personal events about the Klan visiting their town, or a lynching or some horrific episode, and when I finally pin the story teller down, their story actually happened in the 1970s or something, so not very relevant to the modern present I should say.

I'll have to cheers myself then Roddy.

Cheers to me.
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TAAC:

No, I was a teen and a young adult in the last century. That does not mean I am blind or unconscious of the white supremacists which still haunt my old city and the places I've lived in since. Go to Rue Ontario or nearby in Montreal today and you'll still see Skinheads, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and all the usual trash trying to look tough and failing miserably. These losers are in every major Canadian city and quite a few smaller towns and they are despised by the vast majority of the Canadian population as a waste of protoplasm wasting oxygen.

Still no cheers for you and cheering yourself is like social wanking. Be well nonetheless.
Evilroddy.
 
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