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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    True, but such accommodation only helps foster further division and encourages greater brinksmanship. Canada should have stood up from the start and should now stand up to the racists and xenophobes in Quebec and end the two-language system. It makes no sense that the entirety of Canada should be forced to post signs in French as though the monolingual francophone bigots of Quebec like to travel far outside of their borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Or maybe Quebec wants to keep its culture in place. What happened to the concept of immigrants adapting to their new country.
    Unless the culture is "We don't want non-white folks or people who wear religious garb that stands out in relation to our own" a person can maintain the outward trappings of their religious faith AND be faithful citizens of their country. The Jews, Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims of Quebec can and have learned to speak French and can and do consider themselves just as Quebecois as those French Canadians who can trace their ancestry back to the beaver fur trappers sent over in the 1600s by King Louis XIV.
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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    French Catholic. That is, virulently bigoted towards racial, religious and ethnic minorities. Just take a look at France and see how nicely Jews, black French and Muslims are treated to get a sample.
    Perhaps. But it would seem they're throwing-out their Crosses with the Prayer Beads and Stars of David.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Perhaps. But it would seem they're throwing-out their Crosses with the Prayer Beads and Stars of David.
    As I recall, they are allowed to wear those if they are small enough.
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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    This law represents another example of resurgant conservatism trampling on the liberal values that have made Canada such a great place to live. Bad as it is, I'm confident it's just a momentary backslide.
    The French language isn't a problem here.
    The French language is not the problem. I am not saying that Canada should have gone into Quebec in the 1960s through the 1980s with literal language police and jailed the French speakers. I am saying that it is the forced accommodation that is the problem. The Canadian government gave in partially to the worst elements among the Quebecois nationalists and changed their country's language laws around to accommodate them. One would think that this would foster greater amity and social cohesion, but it never does and certainly did not in the case of Canada. Instead, as always, it promoted division. Because it is the government saying that they recognize that some citizens belong in a category all their own. That in turn fosters feelings of inferiority in some, superiority in others, but a sense of being "othered" by all. And it only further encourages the nationalists to greater acts of brinksmanship and xenophobic policies in order to maintain that categorical difference, as we see now.
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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    The French language is not the problem. I am not saying that Canada should have gone into Quebec in the 1960s through the 1980s with literal language police and jailed the French speakers. I am saying that it is the forced accommodation that is the problem. The Canadian government gave in partially to the worst elements among the Quebecois nationalists and changed their country's language laws around to accommodate them. One would think that this would foster greater amity and social cohesion, but it never does and certainly did not in the case of Canada. Instead, as always, it promoted division. Because it is the government saying that they recognize that some citizens belong in a category all their own. That in turn fosters feelings of inferiority in some, superiority in others, but a sense of being "othered" by all. And it only further encourages the nationalists to greater acts of brinksmanship and xenophobic policies in order to maintain that categorical difference, as we see now.
    You see nationalists, I see conservatives. If it were xenophobia I'd expect Christian symbols to be exempt, Quebec being a pretty Catholic society, but Christian symbols are included in the ban.
    Having said that, were I in Quebec I'd defy the law however I could. I grew pot here before it was legal and when I wasn't using it just because defying bad laws is how you get them changed and I'm hopeful this law will be defyed too.
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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    True, but such accommodation only helps foster further division and encourages greater brinksmanship. Canada should have stood up from the start and should now stand up to the racists and xenophobes in Quebec and end the two-language system. It makes no sense that the entirety of Canada should be forced to post signs in French as though the monolingual francophone bigots of Quebec like to travel far outside of their borders.
    I ask politely, are you familiar with Quebec's history?

    I and not defending this law

    Quebec Act | Great Britain [1774] | Britannica

    Quebec Act, act of the British Parliament in 1774 that vested the government of Quebec in a governor and council and preserved the French Civil Code, the seigneurial system of land tenure, and the Roman Catholic Church. The act was an attempt to deal with major questions that had arisen during the attempt to make the French colony of Canada a province of the British Empire in North America. Among these were whether an assembly should be summoned, when nearly all the inhabitants of the province of Quebec, being Roman Catholics, would, because of the Test Acts, be ineligible to be representatives; whether the practice of the Roman Catholic religion should be allowed to continue, and on what conditions; and whether French or English law was to be used in the courts of justice.

    The act, declaring it inexpedient to call an assembly, put the power to legislate in the hands of the governor and his council. The practice of the Roman Catholic religion was allowed, and the church was authorized to continue to collect the tithe. The Test Act was waived and an oath of allegiance substituted so as to allow Roman Catholics to hold office. French civil law continued, but the criminal law was to be English. Because of these provisions the act has been called a generous and statesmanlike attempt to deal with the peculiar conditions of the province.
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    Re: Since the Quebec government banned schoolteachers, police officers, prosecutors & other public s

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    I ask politely, are you familiar with Quebec's history?

    I and not defending this law

    Quebec Act | Great Britain [1774] | Britannica
    I am not going to pretend to be any expert on the subject of Quebec and its history vis-a-vis British Imperialism and its incorporation into British Canada. However, I can and will argue what Canada did wrong in order to placate Quebec's worst elements and forestall secession. A sovereign nation should not allow its corporate states to secede, even by democratic referendum. And it should certainly not try to bribe ultra-nationalists into remaining via such placation by recognizing Quebec's "special status." Such categorizations only serve to entrench division and promote balkanization, harming both the people living within the specially-assigned territory AND weakening the polity itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    This is pretty interesting, given the very high incidence of Catholicism among the Quebecois.
    Itís a secular society.

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