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Chinese Government Propaganda in Canadian Schools

Carjosse

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Yesterday I found this article form the CBC about Confucius Institutes that continue to operate in Canada. Why do we continue to allow the Chinese government to spread pro-CCP propaganda in our schools? These institutes are nothing but a front for spies and political influence, we should listen to our own intelligence agencies.

These officials are accepting bribes to allow a foreign power into our schools, these people need to be in prison, they are not only a threat to the children they are supposed to be caring for, they are a threat to Canadian society. A few years ago that is exactly what happened to an official from the TDSB, that needs to continue.
 
Almost as if...China were an enemy that needs to be dealt with, rather than a beneficial trading partner in need of relationship mending.


Go figure.
 
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Carjosse said:
Yesterday I found this article form the CBC about Confucius Institutes that continue to operate in Canada. Why do we continue to allow the Chinese government to spread pro-CCP propaganda in our schools? These institutes are nothing but a front for spies and political influence, we should listen to our own intelligence agencies.

These officials are accepting bribes to allow a foreign power into our schools, these people need to be in prison, they are not only a threat to the children they are supposed to be caring for, they are a threat to Canadian society. A few years ago that is exactly what happened to an official from the TDSB, that needs to continue.
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Be careful. You piss off China too much and they'll stop trading with you.

Your economy can't handle it.
 
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Carjosse said:
Yesterday I found this article form the CBC about Confucius Institutes that continue to operate in Canada. Why do we continue to allow the Chinese government to spread pro-CCP propaganda in our schools? These institutes are nothing but a front for spies and political influence, we should listen to our own intelligence agencies.

These officials are accepting bribes to allow a foreign power into our schools, these people need to be in prison, they are not only a threat to the children they are supposed to be caring for, they are a threat to Canadian society. A few years ago that is exactly what happened to an official from the TDSB, that needs to continue.
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Carjosse:

I'm not sure why you're so upset at the Confucius Institues and their roles in countries outside of China. They teach Mandarin, Chinese culture and give students a better understanding of Asia and China than their peers will ever hope to recieve. Yes they convey Chinese biases and points of view to students in schools teamed up with the Confuscian Institute but that is no different from other foreign government state educational programmes by other countries. These biases and POVs can be readily corrected or better informed by the school which the students attend. Remember the folks at CSIS and the CSE of Camada are somewhat alarmist in their outlooks because of the nature of the jobs they do.

What kinds of real threats to the Canadian state or Canadian society do Confuscius Institutes pose today? None that I can see which could not be corrected by a short talk to most students enrolled in the programme. Are they undermining Canadian culture? Are they spying on Canadian industry or the state? Are they promoting intolerance and violence? Are they throating children enrolled in the joint programmes? I just don't see it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Carjosse:

I'm not sure why you're so upset at the Confucius Institues and their roles in countries outside of China. They teach Mandarin, Chinese culture and give students a better understanding of Asia and China than their peers will ever hope to recieve. Yes they convey Chinese biases and points of view to students in schools teamed up with the Confuscian Institute but that is no different from other foreign government state educational programmes by other countries. These biases and POVs can be readily corrected or better informed by the school which the students attend. Remember the folks at CSIS and the CSE of Camada are somewhat alarmist in their outlooks because of the nature of the jobs they do.

What kinds of real threats to the Canadian state or Canadian society do Confuscius Institutes pose today? None that I can see which could not be corrected by a short talk to most students enrolled in the programme. Are they undermining Canadian culture? Are they spying on Canadian industry or the state? Are they promoting intolerance and violence? Are they throating children enrolled in the joint programmes? I just don't see it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I am not sure why you love the CCP so much. They teach children lies about the CCP and its murderous past and present, they promote undemocratic values, they are fronts for spies to enter Canada, and these classes are great ways to recruit more. Would you support holocaust denialists and Neo-Nazis into our schools to teach German? China is an enemy state opposed to Canadian values, they are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Whys should we not listen to CSIS? It is their job, they are the experts on this, it is the whole reason CSIS exists.
 
Carjosse said:
I am not sure why you love the CCP so much. They teach children lies about the CCP and its murderous past and present, they promote undemocratic values, they are fronts for spies to enter Canada, and these classes are great ways to recruit more. Would you support holocaust denialists and Neo-Nazis into our schools to teach German? China is an enemy state opposed to Canadian values, they are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Whys should we not listen to CSIS? It is their job, they are the experts on this, it is the whole reason CSIS exists.
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Carjosse:

I don't love the CCP for Pete's sake. But I do teach lots of Asian kids and teach them their unvarnished histories, be they Chinese, Japanese, Korean or other. I was teaching about the plight of Turkomen and Uighurs four decades ago, when China was trying to hide its prehistory by destroying the archeology of these people in Western China. These kids quickly learn that they have only been exposed to half-truths and deceptions and then they begin to challenge their understandings of their history, their culture, their states and themselves. It doesn't take long or require a great deal of time and energy to deprogrammed most of these high school kids. There are a few resilient hedgehogs but they are few and far between.

However what becomes quickly apparent in these very mixed classrooms is the lack of common and shared experience which makes understanding other peoples' histories very difficult. Organisations like the Confucius Institue in their own self-serving ways are one of the bridges to that shared experience and are therefore valuable even if far from perfect. The agendas, biases and propaganda that comes along with them can be dealt with quickly and effectively by having students research and find a more complete and multifaceted "truth" than what they have been indoctrinated with to date. But the bridges for communication are invaluable in building understanding and the ability to talk about and understand other points of view.

Democracy and classical liberalism are Western values, not Chinese ones. To get them to consider them and perhaps to adopt them requires those bridges mentioned above. 35 million Canadians will never be able to bully1.4 billion Chinese into accepting these values. We must take the much longer pathway of persuasion and salesmanship as confrontation will achieve nothing. I won't bother addressing the silly hyperbole about Nazi German teachers but I will say that other states like France, Switzerland and America have infiltrated our educational systems and in some cases done some considerable harm.

You don't change enemies into allies by attacking them and again there is no way 35 million Canadians will ever defeat 1.4 billion Chinese militarily, so I reject the "enemy" paradigm you're selling and see China as a serious rival to be countered rather than an enemy to be defeated. China is trying to promote its own interests by building relationships with Canadians. We can accept the positives of better understanding and communication while culture-jamming the indoctrination and bias-peddling.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Carjosse:

I don't love the CCP for Pete's sake. But I do teach lots of Asian kids and teach them their unvarnished histories, be they Chinese, Japanese, Korean or other. I was teaching about the plight of Turkomen and Uighurs four decades ago, when China was trying to hide its prehistory by destroying the archeology of these people in Western China. These kids quickly learn that they have only been exposed to half-truths and deceptions and then they begin to challenge their understandings of their history, their culture, their states and themselves. It doesn't take long or require a great deal of time and energy to deprogrammed most of these high school kids. There are a few resilient hedgehogs but they are few and far between.

However what becomes quickly apparent in these very mixed classrooms is the lack of common and shared experience which makes understanding other peoples' histories very difficult. Organisations like the Confucius Institue in their own self-serving ways are one of the bridges to that shared experience and are therefore valuable even if far from perfect. The agendas, biases and propaganda that comes along with them can be dealt with quickly and effectively by having students research and find a more complete and multifaceted "truth" than what they have been indoctrinated with to date. But the bridges for communication are invaluable in building understanding and the ability to talk about and understand other points of view.

Democracy and classical liberalism are Western values, not Chinese ones. To get them to consider them and perhaps to adopt them requires those bridges mentioned above. 35 million Canadians will never be able to bully1.4 billion Chinese into accepting these values. We must take the much longer pathway of persuasion and salesmanship as confrontation will achieve nothing. I won't bother addressing the silly hyperbole about Nazi German teachers but I will say that other states like France, Switzerland and America have infiltrated our educational systems and in some cases done some considerable harm.

You don't change enemies into allies by attacking them and again there is no way 35 million Canadians will ever defeat 1.4 billion Chinese militarily, so I reject the "enemy" paradigm you're selling and see China as a serious rival to be countered rather than an enemy to be defeated. China is trying to promote its own interests by building relationships with Canadians. We can accept the positives of better understanding and communication while culture-jamming the indoctrination and bias-peddling.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Then have a normal Asian history class run by the school which teaches how the CCP has murdered millions of its own citizens, no need for the lies, indoctrination, and foreign anti-Western propaganda. We know for a fact the Confucius Institute a front for spies and political influence. What kind of nation does that other than an enemy nation? The CCP's interests are diametrically opposed to ours.

You do know that there is a China that has fully embraced Western liberal democratic values right? There is nothing preventing the rest of the Chinese people in doing the same other than the CCP.

And I think the comparison is a very apt comparison, the CCP denies various atrocities, massacres, and events causing the death of 10s of millions of people including ethnic cleansing taking place to this day. Nazism and Chinese Communism are both totalitarian systems of government built on nationalism, theories of racial superiority, and a cult of personality around the central leader, and that also scapegoats religious and ethnic minority groups and seeks to eradicate them through a program of ethnic cleansing.
 
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Some of the school boards say they've had no problems. As long as it's not forced on students, I see no issue. Learning another language is not a bad thing.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Some of the school boards say they've had no problems. As long as it's not forced on students, I see no issue. Learning another language is not a bad thing.
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Then have actual language courses. Not these indoctrination courses by a hostile foreign government.
 
Carjosse said:
Then have actual language courses. Not these indoctrination courses by a hostile foreign government.
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That's is just your opinion. Some of the school boards are saying they have had no problem with it. It's not forced on them.
 
Scrabaholic said:
That's is just your opinion. Some of the school boards are saying they have had no problem with it. It's not forced on them.
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It is there, they may not see it as a problem because they have been bribed but any Canadian should. Our own intelligence service is saying they are a problem. Should we start allowing the teaching of holocaust denial too while we are it?
 
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