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#Wexit

OlNate:

I understand and share your frustation with separatist movements but history and law give provinces certain rights including a type of sovereignty which predates the creation of the confederation of Canada.

Who petitioned the British Parliament to create Canada? It was provincial leaders of provincial governments who cooperated to create Canada. Canada is a confederation of provinces with some territories to boot and has been since 1867. The Provinces created Canada in cooperation with the British Parliament between 1862 and 1867. Canada is the child and the provinces are the parents. Not the other way around.

Since some of the provinces pre-existed Canada they have a better legal and constitutional claim to sovereignty than the whole confederation. I didn't make this history and constitutional law up. It's just the way it is. We have not had a civil war like the Americans to settle the issue of a right to secession, so that right still remains an open question and a strong case can be made for a right to secession by at least a majority of the provinces. I don't like it any more than you do, but that is the legal reality we face. About the only legal precedent in Canadian history supporting the primacy of the Federal Government is Sir John A MacDonald's use of the Canadian militia to crush the Assiniboine Territory Rebellion of 1870 and the forced creation of the Province of Manitoba that year by the Manitoba Act of 1870. Since the Provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta were created by acts of the Canadian Parliament in 1905, I suppose that the Federal Government could legally revoke those two province's existence too, but that would be politically impossible today in my opinion.

So we are stuck with political and legal/constitutional realities which make provinces far more sovereign and far more powerful than for example US states and therefore we have to live with that.

I like the idea of a legal settlement for secession act but such an act would effectively change the BNA Act of 1867 and the Canadian Constitutional Act of 1982, thus requiring the ratification of all provinces in Canada. So I think your very good idea would be viewed by legal scholars and jurists as dead on arrival.

Money and Islands would be a good title for a Canadian History book!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Roddy, I hope I don't lose your respect here, because on most subject I highly respect you. And I appreciate your reasoned post, I do.

But, to give you some insight into where I land on this one, I would not be opposed to military intervention, should any province hold the rest of the country hostage in any separation coup. We will agree on many things, including that we need to look into ensuring that Alberta and Saskatchewan needs to be looked after, and treated fairly, and I would hear any evidence to support that notion, should it be presented in an effort to improve the situation, and bring unity to our country. But the second it comes around to separation, well...I can't see that as anything short of treason, not to mention theft. Things that happened hundreds of years ago do not reflect the reality that every province is beholden to the country overall, if for no other reason than for the investments all Canadians have made in every province.

I look forward to agreeing on many things in the future, and apologize for my unwillingness to budge on this issue...but only because it seems I'm being harsh in your direction, not because I think for a second that I'm wrong. :)
 
Help Alberta? Ever hear the slogan, "Let them freeze in the dark!"? That was Alberta's reaction when Trudeau 1 said we needed a "national energy policy" so Maritimers didn't have to pay world prices for Canadian oil. Alberta is part of Canada every time they need something but just let another oil boom happen and It's every Albertan for himself.

When the Saudi Oil Embargo hit back in the 70's in the U.S., in response to Carter's "Drive 55" laws, bumper stickers popped up on Texas cars: "Drive 70 - Freeze a Yankee!" and "Let the Yankees Freeze".
Yep, Texas is our version of Alberta alright, and Idaho and Utah are our "Quebecs".
 
When the Saudi Oil Embargo hit back in the 70's in the U.S., in response to Carter's "Drive 55" laws, bumper stickers popped up on Texas cars: "Drive 70 - Freeze a Yankee!" and "Let the Yankees Freeze".
Yep, Texas is our version of Alberta alright, and Idaho and Utah are our "Quebecs".

Just so you know, the 55 MPH speed limit was imposed by NIXON, not Carter in response to the 1973 oil embargo which followed the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Actually the original speed limit was 50, but that didn't fly (you can't fly at 50).

National Maximum Speed Law - Wikipedia

1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia
 
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Roddy, I hope I don't lose your respect here, because on most subject I highly respect you. And I appreciate your reasoned post, I do.

But, to give you some insight into where I land on this one, I would not be opposed to military intervention, should any province hold the rest of the country hostage in any separation coup. We will agree on many things, including that we need to look into ensuring that Alberta and Saskatchewan needs to be looked after, and treated fairly, and I would hear any evidence to support that notion, should it be presented in an effort to improve the situation, and bring unity to our country. But the second it comes around to separation, well...I can't see that as anything short of treason, not to mention theft. Things that happened hundreds of years ago do not reflect the reality that every province is beholden to the country overall, if for no other reason than for the investments all Canadians have made in every province.

I look forward to agreeing on many things in the future, and apologize for my unwillingness to budge on this issue...but only because it seems I'm being harsh in your direction, not because I think for a second that I'm wrong. :)

OlNate:

No need to worry about losing my respect as I often respect folks who disagree with me more than those who go along with me.

That being settled, some clarification is necessary. I do not now, nor have I ever supported separatism of any flavour in Canada. I had a much older family friend killed while diffusing a post office box bomb in Montreal in the late 1960's and lived through the October Crisis and Trudeau the Elder's use of troops and the War Measures Act in 1970. As an Anglo-Quebecer you will likely find very few Canadians more adamantly opposed to Separation than I.

However my family also had good friends who were woken from their sleep in the wee hours of the morning and were arrested without charge because their names were on lists in October 1970. They hadn't done anything wrong except go to parties and lectures with people connected to radical separatist elements, but they and their families were traumatised by Canada's iron fist in this moment of apprehended insurrection. Their experiences that October poisoned many of them to Canada and "les autres" and my parents lost good friends that fall as the two solitudes widened into an abysmal social fissure. That is the other face of heavy-handed defence of Canadian Statism and unity. Having seen both sides of this cursed coin, I would do just about anything to honourably avoid such conditions arising again in any part of Canada.

That being said, I do not believe we can change the rules of Confederation to suit or own modern view of how things should be, because such unilateral changes will only anger and alienate our fellow Canadians who have a different vision. In my opinion, we must accept the flawed rules and principles baked into Confederation and work to avoid any part of the country becoming so alienated from the whole that it chooses to use those ancient powers and rights to leave Canada. The rules may be old, but they are still the rules and were last enshrined less than forty years ago in the Constitutional Act of Canada of 1982.

OlNate, have you ever been in the midst of military action? It is monstrous and terrible in the extreme and is ultimately a pointless tragedy. I would not wish that on any part of Canada unless it was unavoidably necessitated to protect lives in immediate and dire peril. Use of the military is a game-changer and can more deeply sunder a people than nationalism of self-interested, greed-driven, populism. Look to our cousins to the south who are still wrestling with the divisions and reverberating animosity of a civil war which ended before Canadian Confederation even happened. That is an historical legacy which I pray Canada can always avoid. So, except in the case of a dire life-threatening action by a separating group which is immediate and cannot be stopped by other means, I think political solutions rather than brute force must be used.

I agree with you that proactive prevention of separatism is a must and that any Canadian who wants Canada to endure for their children and grandchildren to enjoy must work to help all parts of the Confederation to realise a better future and to build stronger communities. So we are aligned on that political vector and the need to push for it.

Continued next post.
 
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Please don't interpret this next paragraph as a lecture or an admonition but careful use of language is important in preserving the confederation. The use of terms like treason and theft may be valid in a unitary state but in a confederation of sovereign provinces they may not be apt. I feel the drives and passions which lead to choosing such words but I suppress them with great difficulty. I understand that their utterance is born from a fierce and honest nationalism in many Canadians but they are terms of accusation and division which may alienate many others and may make the job of keeping Canada together even more difficult. Therefore caution should be adopted when using such terms publicly. That's not PC mind-control crap, that's pragmatic political reality in the fragile but beautiful jewel of Canadian confederation.

I agree that all of Canada has invested in and has an interest in every part of Canada and that no province can stand on its own as well as it stands within confederation but those are intellectual arguments and separatism is first and foremost a passion and a cause of the heart, not a logical, mental calculation. So such arguments will have limited utility in dealing with separatism in my experience.

I look forward to disagreeing with you on more things in the future because by disagreeing andv debating we can both learn more from each other's positions and arguments. Never apologise for thinking what you think or believing what you believe, so long as you are thoughtful in your mind and honest in your heart about how you got to those positions. Just be willing to listen to other points of view in peace and with an open mind and no one can ask any more of you. You're not being harsh from my perspective, you're being honest and passionate about what you believe and that's cool, so long as we both keep the Queen's peace and behave ourselves in debate. I have been stabbed and shot in my hapless past so harshness of words is most definitly not a problem. Rage on, sir and defend Canada in the best way you can. I will do the same on a slightly less ragey vector and hopefully we can both make a difference.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Help Alberta? Ever hear the slogan, "Let them freeze in the dark!"? That was Alberta's reaction when Trudeau 1 said we needed a "national energy policy" so Maritimers didn't have to pay world prices for Canadian oil. Alberta is part of Canada every time they need something but just let another oil boom happen and It's every Albertan for himself.

Why was that statement made? You should give the full story!



Western alienation has had its roots causes in the Western Canada's disappointment at not having more control over the Federal Government. To many in the west, Ottawa is viewed as pre-occupied with the Quebec Ontario axis and makes most of its decisions based upon how they will effect central Canada.

During the 1950's and 1960's Alberta's oil industry grew substantially and the Social Credit government in Edmonton was happy to leave oil development to big business and just collect the provincial tax revenues and royalties.

As the 1970's began the Social Credit were ousted in Alberta.....

In 1973 the Yom Kipper war in the middle east had resulted in a saved Israeli victory and the Arab OPEC nations decided to increase oil prices by up to 100%. …….


These actions led to a confrontation between Trudeau ad Lougheed over oil policies.
Lougheed accused Trudeau of selling out the west for Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes and when asked what was the east suppose to do he replied "Let them freeze in the dark".
Western Alienation


Obviously, the resentment and anger by Lougheed at the time led to that statement!


Sounds familiar? :lol:

We just saw how Trudeau cuddles up to Quebec - heck, he even broke the law for Quebec (SNC Lavalin) and threw out the first Indigenous woman to hold a distinguished position in Parliament when she wouldn't cooperate with this backroom deal corruption! Western Canada has the right to be p***ed off, big-time!


Lol. Fact still remains that Alberta contributes more to our coffers (as explained by the Fraser Institute)!
 
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Tos, once again, he's building a pipeline.

And yes, I'm rather divisive, when it comes to putting distance between myself and mouth breathing **** sniffers who don't know how good they've got it.

And, by the way, both Ontario and Quebec contribute more to GDP than Alberta. Go ahead, look it up. Ontario contributes nearly triple what Alberta does. One thing about statistics, Tos...they ain't partisan. Now, what were you saying about that pesky ol' goose? ;)

Back to you, my dear friend. :)

Why should I look it up?
You made the claim - you back it up! As simple as that! :lol:

Back to you.....show us the source backing up your claim! Let's analyze it!


Btw.....between years 2000 and 2009:


Is Quebec subsidized by the rest of Canada?

Such occasional wrinkles aside though, the data shows that, as a percentage of GDP, taxpayers in three provinces contribute more in revenues than is later spent by the federal government: Albertans contribute more (by 6.1 percentage points) Ontarians contribute more (by 3.8 points) and British Columbians contribute more (by 1.7 points).

The other seven provinces were all net “takers” from the federal purse. On average, federal spending was two percentage points of GDP higher than federal revenue in Quebec; in Prince Edward Island, federal spending was almost 20 percentage points higher.

You are being redirected...

Furthermore.....Quebec is booming for several years now,



When it comes to the economy, Quebec has earned top bragging rights in Canada


Not only did the province post its third consecutive balanced budget, it is one of the few so far, along with British Columbia, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, to project no deficits for several years.

Quebec expects a budget surplus of $250 million for 2016-2017, which is on top of over $2 billion the province is stashing away in its Generations Fund, meant to pay off the province’s debt.
When it comes to the economy, Quebec has earned top bragging rights in Canada | Globalnews.ca



So I don't get why Trudeau wouldn't concentrate more on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan! Lol, if he would willingly break a law to "prevent job losses".....why didn't he do it for the provinces that truly need help?

The answer is simple: Trudeau doesn't care about Canada. All he cares about is getting votes!
 
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Originally Posted by Grand Mal
Help Alberta? Ever hear the slogan, "Let them freeze in the dark!"? That was Alberta's reaction when Trudeau 1 said we needed a "national energy policy" so Maritimers didn't have to pay world prices for Canadian oil. Alberta is part of Canada every time they need something but just let another oil boom happen and It's every Albertan for himself.

Tos, once again, he's building a pipeline.

And yes, I'm rather divisive, when it comes to putting distance between myself and mouth breathing **** sniffers who don't know how good they've got it.

And, by the way, both Ontario and Quebec contribute more to GDP than Alberta. Go ahead, look it up. Ontario contributes nearly triple what Alberta does. One thing about statistics, Tos...they ain't partisan. Now, what were you saying about that pesky ol' goose? ;)

Back to you, my dear friend. :)





Canada and Quebec are helping preserve Quebec’s cultural heritage



Through the Investing in Canada infrastructure plan, the Government of Canada is investing more than $180 billion over 12 years in public transit projects, green infrastructure, social infrastructure, trade and transportation routes, and Canada’s rural and northern communities. $25.3 billion of this funding is supporting social infrastructure in Canadian communities.

Quebec’s 2019-2029 Infrastructure Plan calls for nearly $7.2 billion in investments in municipal infrastructure under the Quebec Department of Municipal Affairs and Housing. When combined with contributions from the Government of Canada and municipalities, this means over $16.7 billion will be invested in municipal infrastructure in Quebec over this period.
Canada and Quebec are helping preserve Quebec’s cultural heritage - Canada.ca



Does that mean, out of 25 billion for infrastructure for all of Canada, Quebec gets 9 billion from that? ;)
 
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Please don't interpret this next paragraph as a lecture or an admonition but careful use of language is important in preserving the confederation. The use of terms like treason and theft may be valid in a unitary state but in a confederation of sovereign provinces they may not be apt. I feel the drives and passions which lead to choosing such words but I suppress them with great difficulty. I understand that their utterance is born from a fierce and honest nationalism in many Canadians but they are terms of accusation and division which may alienate many others and may make the job of keeping Canada together even more difficult. Therefore caution should be adopted when using such terms publicly. That's not PC mind-control crap, that's pragmatic political reality in the fragile but beautiful jewel of Canadian confederation.

I agree that all of Canada has invested in and has an interest in every part of Canada and that no province can stand on its own as well as it stands within confederation but those are intellectual arguments and separatism is first and foremost a passion and a cause of the heart, not a logical, mental calculation. So such arguments will have limited utility in dealing with separatism in my experience.

I look forward to disagreeing with you on more things in the future because by disagreeing andv debating we can both learn more from each other's positions and arguments. Never apologise for thinking what you think or believing what you believe, so long as you are thoughtful in your mind and honest in your heart about how you got to those positions. Just be willing to listen to other points of view in peace and with an open mind and no one can ask any more of you. You're not being harsh from my perspective, you're being honest and passionate about what you believe and that's cool, so long as we both keep the Queen's peace and behave ourselves in debate. I have been stabbed and shot in my hapless past so harshness of words is most definitly not a problem. Rage on, sir and defend Canada in the best way you can. I will do the same on a slightly less ragey vector and hopefully we can both make a difference.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

You're a good dude, Roddy, not sure why you ever called yourself Evil. :)

But, despite very sound reproach, I have to stand by what I said, aware of the entirety. Confederation laid the groundwork, but constitutional documents change all the time, specifically to meet modern concerns and conditions. Modern realities.

Perhaps if the grievances were more substantial...if there was vast injustice being committed, if there was complete incompetence being shown by the Federal government, maybe then I'd be more empathetic, a little gentler in my approach. But the fact that these zeroes would tear apart this country over such petty, misguided nonsense...sometimes a sharp slap is the best way to cure hysteria.

Have a great day, pardner. :) Ultimately I doubt there's little you or I can do about it, so we might as well let our ugly out, in lieu of a more productive option. ;)
 
Uhh....that's not what I took from the link you posted. It says there's $180 billion for all of Canada, not $25 billion. Help me understand your point here, maybe it'll give me clues to what kind of math you're winking at... ;)
:doh

Get your glasses, Nate - wear them!

Read again!



…..$25 billion for SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, Nate.
 
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Why should I look it up?
You made the claim - you back it up! As simple as that! :lol:

Back to you.....show us the source backing up your claim! Let's analyze it!


Btw.....between years 2000 and 2009:



You are being redirected...

Furthermore.....Quebec is booming for several years now,




When it comes to the economy, Quebec has earned top bragging rights in Canada | Globalnews.ca



So I don't get why Trudeau wouldn't concentrate more on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan! Lol, if he would willingly break a law to "prevent job losses".....why didn't he do it for the provinces that truly need help?

The answer is simple: Trudeau doesn't care about Canada. All he cares about is getting votes!

Err...ok:

GDPCapture.jpg

List of Canadian provinces and territories by gross domestic product - Wikipedia

Trudeau IS concentrating on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan (which you previously called the golden goose, so at least you're walking that back). He's building a multi billion dollar pipeline. And as if any other politician cares about anything other than votes these days...lol... I dare you to prove otherwise. At least with Trudeau, the way he goes about getting them is by delivering solid policy...whether his critics are intelligent enough to see that or not. And, one more time, in the hopes that repetition will lead to comprehension, he nearly lost the election with those pipeline promises. All the environmentalists (and let's be real, there's a lot up here) that voted for him in the last election went NDP or Green. That hardly seems like the kind of thing someone who only cared about votes would do.

I think the greater truth is that separatists don't care about Canada. All they care about is getting what they want. Most of us grow out of that.
 
:doh

Get your glasses, Nate - wear them!

Read again!



…..$25 billion for SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, Nate.


Got mah reading glasses, dear friend...looking real hard. But I can't see where you're getting $9 billion in social infrastructure investment in Quebec.

Again, get to your point...you scolded me earlier for not providing you with what the simplest of Google searches would give you...what's with the riddles? :) I can't even tell if I disagree with you yet... :lol:
 
Note


Construction on the Trans Mountain Pipeline has restarted

Trans Mountain pipeline construction restarts with completion expected in 2022 | Financial Post


Trans Mountain Corp. has restarted construction on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, the company said on Wednesday, a year after the contentious project stalled because of regulatory delays.



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Work has restarted at the Burnaby storage terminal where the pipeline terminates, and the Westridge marine terminal, where crude is loaded onto tankers, Trans Mountain said in a statement

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The company has also issued notices to some construction contractors to mobilize equipment and crews, said Chief Executive Ian Anderson, adding that work will soon begin in communities along the pipeline’s right-of-way in Alberta between Edmonton and Edson.



Not publicized much during the campaign. The Conservatives did not want Liberals to get any credit, the Liberals did not want to hurt their chances out east. Not sure why the Greens and NDP did not attack the Liberals on it more

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List of Canadian provinces and territories by gross domestic product - Wikipedia

Trudeau IS concentrating on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan (which you previously called the golden goose, so at least you're walking that back). He's building a multi billion dollar pipeline. And as if any other politician cares about anything other than votes these days...lol... I dare you to prove otherwise. At least with Trudeau, the way he goes about getting them is by delivering solid policy...whether his critics are intelligent enough to see that or not. And, one more time, in the hopes that repetition will lead to comprehension, he nearly lost the election with those pipeline promises. All the environmentalists (and let's be real, there's a lot up here) that voted for him in the last election went NDP or Green. That hardly seems like the kind of thing someone who only cared about votes would do.

I think the greater truth is that separatists don't care about Canada. All they care about is getting what they want. Most of us grow out of that.



Lol. Read your link! :lol: I told you - wear your glasses!


The economies of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland and the territories rely heavily on natural resources
and produce the highest per capita GDP values in the country.



Don't forget, Alberta's economy tanked these last few years!



Alberta's economic growth to leap from last place in 2019 to country-leading in 2020: Conference Board

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...cial-outlook-canada-alberta-economy-1.5035319



The truth is that Justin's idea of Canada is made only primarily of Quebec!

Can you blame Albertans having this WEXIT ideas?
Sometimes - it takes an ultimatum to knock loads of sense into a Quebec-focused, dense head! :shrug:
…...and.....for a somnambulist population to...…….. wakey-wakey!





Trudeau IS concentrating on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan (which you previously called the golden goose, so at least you're walking that back). He's building a multi billion dollar pipeline.

I don't know what you mean by me "walking it back," unless the point too, is lost to you (I didn't walk anything back, Nate)...…..

….................but if Trudeau will put words into action now - just shows you - ultimatum works! :mrgreen:

Mind you - he did looked shell-shocked after the election, with zero seats in Alberta! :lamo
 
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Note


Construction on the Trans Mountain Pipeline has restarted

Trans Mountain pipeline construction restarts with completion expected in 2022 | Financial Post




Not publicized much during the campaign. The Conservatives did not want Liberals to get any credit, the Liberals did not want to hurt their chances out east. Not sure why the Greens and NDP did not attack the Liberals on it more


August 21, 2019

Trans Mountain Corp. has restarted construction on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, the company said on Wednesday,
a year after the contentious project stalled because of regulatory delays.

Trans Mountain pipeline construction restarts with completion expected in 2022 | Financial Post




See? If they want to fast-track it, they can! :lol:


Lol. The timing is ripe for the election! It's the looming election that got it re-started! Whom are we kidding? :lamo
They know Alberta will be a big issue during the campaign.
The Liberals want to be able to say, "it's been re-started! Shovels will be on the ground as we promised!"
 
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List of Canadian provinces and territories by gross domestic product - Wikipedia

Trudeau IS concentrating on ailing provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan (which you previously called the golden goose, so at least you're walking that back). He's building a multi billion dollar pipeline. And as if any other politician cares about anything other than votes these days...lol... I dare you to prove otherwise. At least with Trudeau, the way he goes about getting them is by delivering solid policy...whether his critics are intelligent enough to see that or not. And, one more time, in the hopes that repetition will lead to comprehension, he nearly lost the election with those pipeline promises. All the environmentalists (and let's be real, there's a lot up here) that voted for him in the last election went NDP or Green. That hardly seems like the kind of thing someone who only cared about votes would do.

I think the greater truth is that separatists don't care about Canada. All they care about is getting what they want. Most of us grow out of that.


If on 2020, Alberta leaps to first place (from being last) - it will be thanks to Jason Kenney!


Alberta's economic growth to leap from last place in 2019 to country-leading in 2020: Conference Board

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...cial-outlook-canada-alberta-economy-1.5035319
 
Trans Mountain pipeline construction restarts with completion expected in 2022 | Financial Post




See? If they want to fast-track it, they can! :lol:


Lol. The timing is ripe for the election! It's the looming election that got it re-started! Whom are we kidding? :lamo
They know Alberta will be a big issue during the campaign.
The Liberals want to be able to say, "it's been re-started! Shovels will be on the ground as we promised!"

No it was a court ruling that allowed for it to go ahead that caused it with some caveats
 
No it was a court ruling that allowed for it to go ahead that caused it with some caveats

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Hello?

Remember SNC Lavalin and Raybould?



Hahahahaha - like as if Justin can't interfere with court rulings! Hahahahaha :lamo
 
Maybe you need new ones? Get your eyes checked! :lamo


Wow...you really are struggling over there, aren't you. It would appear that you are so butthurt over the fact that he's still your PM that you are willing to make yourself look ridiculous here.

I really do like you, Tos...which is why I'm going to stop engaging with you in this thread. I don't want to be responsible for the ass you're making of yourself. If you ever want to acknowledge facts, if you ever want an intelligent conversation, where disagreement isn't met with insult in lieu of logic, where facts are facts and BS is BS, well...you know where to find me. But don't waste my time with your immature, sour grapes induced tantrum. The fact is, rhetoric like yours is a joke in this country. And it's dying. This Alberta nonsense is it's death rattle. It's suicide. And good ****ing riddance. The satisfaction at their frustrated impotence is delicious. What is it that you conservatives always say? Love it or GTFO. Sounds like America would love to have them...and I'd happily support a tax hike to pay for their moving expenses.

Nice chat, Tos. Just a little below my standards.
 
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Hello?

Remember SNC Lavalin and Raybould?



Hahahahaha - like as if Justin can't interfere with court rulings! Hahahahaha :lamo

Hello

Did SNC get the deferred prosecution like Trudeau wanted?

Nope, he did not
 
Hello

Did SNC get the deferred prosecution like Trudeau wanted?

Nope, he did not
:roll:

What a silly, pathetic rebuttal! :lol:

Nope, he did not...….BUT not for lack of trying!

If Raybould didn't blow the whistle - he would've gotten what he wanted!




Justin Trudeau violated law by urging that case be dropped – watchdog

Report describes PM’s ‘flagrant attempts to influence’ Canadian attorney general
Justin Trudeau violated law by urging that case be dropped – watchdog | World news | The Guardian


So, there!
 
:roll:

What a silly, pathetic rebuttal! :lol:

Nope, he did not...….BUT not for lack of trying!

If Raybould didn't blow the whistle - he would've gotten what he wanted!





Justin Trudeau violated law by urging that case be dropped – watchdog | World news | The Guardian


So, there!

You tried to use the failed attempt to get SNC the deferred Prosecution deal, as a way to attack Trudeau for not doing the same on Trans Mountain. You are either forgetting or lying about the courts being the hold up regarding Trans Mountain, not the Trudeau government.
 
Wow...you really are struggling over there, aren't you. It would appear that you are so butthurt over the fact that he's still your PM that you are willing to make yourself look ridiculous here.

I really do like you, Tos...which is why I'm going to stop engaging with you in this thread. I don't want to be responsible for the ass you're making of yourself. If you ever want to acknowledge facts, if you ever want an intelligent conversation, where disagreement isn't met with insult in lieu of logic, where facts are facts and BS is BS, well...you know where to find me. But don't waste my time with your immature, sour grapes induced tantrum. The fact is, rhetoric like yours is a joke in this country. And it's dying. This Alberta nonsense is it's death rattle. It's suicide. And good ****ing riddance. The satisfaction at their frustrated impotence is delicious. What is it that you conservatives always say? Love it or GTFO. Sounds like America would love to have them...and I'd happily support a tax hike to pay for their moving expenses.

Nice chat, Tos. Just a little below my standards.

Lol. It's better to engage me in your own thread than following me in other posters' thread! :)


Anyway......

I really do like you.....but, for your own good - I'm thinking, I might have to put you on ignore, Nate.

Man, when you go off the rails, you really go careening off! You've lost control! You even went to other threads!
As a friend, I've got to help you from yourself. :shrug:
 
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